3 struggling hoops programs

[williamspo]

Right now, UM's men, MSU's men, and MSU's women basketball programs are a work in progress. They are all struggling - perhaps not for long but who knows?

It is too early to say when or whether either men's program will assert itself as a dominant force.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that none of these programs reaches a point of respectability (I realize that is an extreme statement).

If we assume that competitiveness isn't achieved (granted, small chance), what does an Athletic Director do to manage the situation. The easier program to use as an example is the MSU women. Bad year last year, not looking any better this year. Last year could be explained by a lack of recruits, same can be said this year. Also, they replaced one of their assistant coaches.

One could argue that they have the basis of a world-beating program, but one could as easily say the wheels are coming off. If an AD looks at this and says "Oh, my God, this is not looking good," what does the AD do?

Take Jim O'Day. He has a background in newspaper publishing and business. I assume he doesn't have the expertise to offer tactical or strategic suggestions. Presumably, the same is true of Fields in Bozeman.

Do these AD's bring in a consultant? Are there people who do that?

It must be agonizing for the MSU AD to see what is happening to their women's program and (I assume) not have the expertise or insight to right the ship. It is easy to fire a coach, but that is a last resort for an AD. What does an AD do other than wait and see.

I know that the AD will always be supportive, but at what point does the AD step in and say to a coach, "You need help."

Anyone have insight as to how this is "done" in the athletic world? No, I am not saying that this is the right time for intervention in any of the three programs. But, if that time arises, how is it done? Or, is it?

 

[Grizbacker1]

UM men are in the same boat as msu? You have got to be joking. If you are serious you apparently are basing your assertions entirely on last night's game.

Please explain the deficincies in the UM Men's BB program.

 

[Swillbury]

UM is not struggling, but rather came out in a second half and couldnt hit anything, in an envirnoment that mistakes have to be minimal if you want any chance to win.

MSU M-W are terrible, yes

 

[williamspo]

You both ignored my point and addressed something I didn't. I am not saying that our programs are in the same boat.

I find it interesting watching program administration. It is quite obvious how AD's manage the winning coaches - keep them happy and hope they don't leave and be looking at options if they do leave.

I am interested in views regarding how AD's deal with the opposite. Binford is an example. I have no doubt that she is a wonderful person who has a team that is struggling. I am not pleased when these people are fired. What do AD's do to avoid the firing scenario - particularly when AD's have no particular expertise.

Is that a topic worthy of any discussion. I don't have that insight but some egrizzers may.

 

[Grizbacker1]

You both ignored my point and addressed something I didn't. I am not saying that our programs are in the same boat.

I find it interesting watching program administration. It is quite obvious how AD's manage the winning coaches - keep them happy and hope they don't leave and be looking at options if they do leave.

I am interested in views regarding how AD's deal with the opposite. Binford is an example. I have no doubt that she is a wonderful person who has a team that is struggling. I am not pleased when these people are fired. What do AD's do to avoid the firing scenario - particularly when AD's have no particular expertise.

Is that a topic worthy of any discussion. I don't have that insight but some egrizzers may.

I wasn't attempting to do anything other than to wonder how the UM Men's BB even was mentioned in the same sentence with the msu hoops programs.

This is what you wrote, I don't know how else anyone could interpret it.

Right now, UM's men, MSU's men, and MSU's women basketball programs are a work in progress. They are all struggling - perhaps not for long but who knows?

It is too early to say when or whether either men's program will assert itself as a dominant force.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that none of these programs reaches a point of respectability (I realize that is an extreme statement).

I don't think too many AD's are great coaches, they are administrators. O'Day has done pretty well as far as I can tell. I doubt he could serve a VB over the net, but he sure made a great hire in Jerry Wagner. I have all the confidence in the world that Tinks will get the job done. I am just thankful most people are not saying Tinks is struggling after one loss. The anti BH crowd isn't even that tough.

 

[williamspo]

GB1 You are right. I did say 3 struggling programs. When will I ever learn that no matter what you say on this site, the game is to pick apart the message without responding to it.

I meant to say 1 program that is struggling and two that could at some point (in theory only).

What would you have said if I only referred to the MSU women's hoop program and then only in the very abstract sense - say after 5 more years, they haven't changed direction.

Or, is any discussion possible?

 

[first11]

Right now, UM's men, MSU's men, and MSU's women basketball programs are a work in progress. They are all struggling - perhaps not for long but who knows?

It is too early to say when or whether either men's program will assert itself as a dominant force.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that none of these programs reaches a point of respectability (I realize that is an extreme statement).

If we assume that competitiveness isn't achieved (granted, small chance), what does an Athletic Director do to manage the situation. The easier program to use as an example is the MSU women. Bad year last year, not looking any better this year. Last year could be explained by a lack of recruits, same can be said this year. Also, they replaced one of their assistant coaches.

One could argue that they have the basis of a world-beating program, but one could as easily say the wheels are coming off. If an AD looks at this and says "Oh, my God, this is not looking good," what does the AD do?

Take Jim O'Day. He has a background in newspaper publishing and business. I assume he doesn't have the expertise to offer tactical or strategic suggestions. Presumably, the same is true of Fields in Bozeman.

Do these AD's bring in a consultant? Are there people who do that?

It must be agonizing for the MSU AD to see what is happening to their women's program and (I assume) not have the expertise or insight to right the ship. It is easy to fire a coach, but that is a last resort for an AD. What does an AD do other than wait and see.

I know that the AD will always be supportive, but at what point does the AD step in and say to a coach, "You need help."

Anyone have insight as to how this is "done" in the athletic world? No, I am not saying that this is the right time for intervention in any of the three programs. But, if that time arises, how is it done? Or, is it?

What the hey, what channel are you tuned into?? UM struggling....geez, take a reality check pal

 

[Grizbacker1]

GB1 You are right. I did say 3 struggling programs. When will I ever learn that no matter what you say on this site, the game is to pick apart the message without responding to it.

I meant to say 1 program that is struggling and two that could at some point (in theory only).

What would you have said if I only referred to the MSU women's hoop program and then only in the very abstract sense - say after 5 more years, they haven't changed direction.

Or, is any discussion possible?

I was never trying to pick apart your post, but I am not a mind reader either. I responded to what you wrote, if you meant something else I am sorry I didn't pick up on hidden meanings.

As for the balance of your response, I think you could make a case that both msu programs are struggling. The AD at msu has taken steps that he feels will address it. I do think Binford and Huse deserve 4 years to turn things around. I know it is tough for Binford to recruit against Selvig, and I don't envy her. Not only that, but the coaches from Weber State and Idaho State are also working Montana hard because there is a ton of talented women's BB players in MT.

Sorry I misunderstood where you were going on your OP. :thumb:

 

[ronbo]

UM men are in the same boat as msu? You have got to be joking. If you are serious you apparently are basing your assertions entirely on last night's game.

Please explain the deficincies in the UM Men's BB program.

Too many white guys. I'm convinced after watching Glory Road.

 

[grizfnz]

UM men are in the same boat as msu? You have got to be joking. If you are serious you apparently are basing your assertions entirely on last night's game.

Please explain the deficincies in the UM Men's BB program.

Too many white guys. I'm convinced after watching Glory Road.

oooooh don't go there Awwwchie

 

[ronbo]

Yes I'm prejudiced against white people. LOL Especially the ones that can't jump.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

no matter what you say on this site, the game is to pick apart the message without responding to it.

Sounds like a pack of lawyers to me.

 

[loyalgriz]

Right now, UM's men, MSU's men, and MSU's women basketball programs are a work in progress. They are all struggling - perhaps not for long but who knows?

It is too early to say when or whether either men's program will assert itself as a dominant force.

For the sake of discussion, let's assume that none of these programs reaches a point of respectability (I realize that is an extreme statement).

If we assume that competitiveness isn't achieved (granted, small chance), what does an Athletic Director do to manage the situation. The easier program to use as an example is the MSU women. Bad year last year, not looking any better this year. Last year could be explained by a lack of recruits, same can be said this year. Also, they replaced one of their assistant coaches.

One could argue that they have the basis of a world-beating program, but one could as easily say the wheels are coming off. If an AD looks at this and says "Oh, my God, this is not looking good," what does the AD do?

Take Jim O'Day. He has a background in newspaper publishing and business. I assume he doesn't have the expertise to offer tactical or strategic suggestions. Presumably, the same is true of Fields in Bozeman.

Do these AD's bring in a consultant? Are there people who do that?

It must be agonizing for the MSU AD to see what is happening to their women's program and (I assume) not have the expertise or insight to right the ship. It is easy to fire a coach, but that is a last resort for an AD. What does an AD do other than wait and see.

I know that the AD will always be supportive, but at what point does the AD step in and say to a coach, "You need help."

Anyone have insight as to how this is "done" in the athletic world? No, I am not saying that this is the right time for intervention in any of the three programs. But, if that time arises, how is it done? Or, is it?

I'm a dumber person for reading this post. And that's saying something. :moon: