3 Griz Arrested

[statler & waldorf]

Homeowner says no big thing, but JP assesses $16,500 in restitution for "counseling" for the traumatized family. Missoula county law enforcement and courts need to be flushed.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Glad to see this put behind the GRIZ, players, and fans. Anyone hear how long the players will be out for ? As for legal situations, I need to remind myself to use the word "IF". As things turned out, a short suspension would seem fine.

 

[yellowstone60]

Glad to see this put behind the GRIZ, players, and fans. Anyone hear how long the players will be out for ? As for legal situations, I need to remind myself to use the word "IF". As things turned out, a short suspension would seem fine.

wait and see what coach decides, based on code

The code states that the student athlete faces a minimum suspension of 10 percent of scheduled contests.

Read More: Suspended Six Month Sentences For Misdemeanor Criminal Trespassing For UM Football Players | http://newstalkkgvo.com/suspended-six-month-sentences-for-misdemeanor-criminal-trespassing-for-um-football-players-watch/?trackback=tsmclip

http://newstalkkgvo.com/suspended-six-month-sentences-for-misdemeanor-criminal-trespassing-for-um-football-players-watch/

 

[MTOutsider]

I have friends that had been broken into twice recently. They took a 4 day defense class in Nevada.

One of the biggest things they learned: TWO TO THE CHEST, ONE TO THE HEAD.

Best to just stay out of other people's property.

 

[UMGriz75]

UMGriz75 I have a stupid question. Based on the homeowners comments in the Kiamin it appeared that he thought this was not that big of a deal after the fact. Would this whole thing have gone away if he decided not to press any charges? Or once the cops hauled the kids in were we past that point????

Once it was made "official," by hauling them off to jail, this town is so hypersensitized to "social justice" concerns, that there was no way anyone could proceed without some kind of charging. Indeed, the fact that the police so grossly overcharged left the County Attorney in the difficult position of either admitting it and subjecting the police to litigation, or trying to pretend this was all reasonable at least at the misdemeanor level. Then, the acting Judge, who is a social justice warrior, nails these young people with the fines, the suspended jail time (which is on their records), and the "restitution."

Each of these young people have now incurred nearly $12,000 each in bail, retainer fees, fines and restitution. That's $60,000 in total damages to these young people for "misdemeanor" offenses that hurt no one, did not intend to hurt anyone, did no damage, and for which "zero" criminal intent could be demonstrated. Their names are on the internet forever, they are branded as "criminals," and the best some jackasses can come up with is "they should've been shot." Not a one of these students can afford the penalties. It crushes them, absolutely. If UM is "Rape Nation" thanks to Eggstrom's meddling, UM is also a hostile environment for athletes, because of what Missoula will do to them.

This is beyond a travesty. In the world of "justice," this is the injustice. When the police see it as their malicious duty to wreck lives, the real criminals are not these students.

 

[signedbewildered]

What I find interesting is the vast majority of commenters following the Missoulian article also believe the punishment for the players is above, beyond and absurd. That's unusual for that paper. Most commenters traditionally love to crucify U of M athletes for any reason they can. Sympathy? For Griz players? By Missoulian readers?

 

[zengriz]

...a big...
...Amen...

... ray: ...

 

[bgbigdog]

Over/Under on 45 pages?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Over/Under on 45 pages?

Way over. What's the record for an egriz thread?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

UMGriz75 I have a stupid question. Based on the homeowners comments in the Kiamin it appeared that he thought this was not that big of a deal after the fact. Would this whole thing have gone away if he decided not to press any charges? Or once the cops hauled the kids in were we past that point????

Once it was made "official," by hauling them off to jail, this town is so hypersensitized to "social justice" concerns, that there was no way anyone could proceed without some kind of charging. Indeed, the fact that the police so grossly overcharged left the County Attorney in the difficult position of either admitting it and subjecting the police to litigation, or trying to pretend this was all reasonable at least at the misdemeanor level. Then, the acting Judge, who is a social justice warrior, nails these young people with the fines, the suspended jail time (which is on their records), and the "restitution."

Each of these young people have now incurred nearly $12,000 each in bail, retainer fees, fines and restitution. That's $60,000 in total damages to these young people for "misdemeanor" offenses that hurt no one, did not intend to hurt anyone, did no damage, and for which "zero" criminal intent could be demonstrated. Their names are on the internet forever, they are branded as "criminals," and the best some jackasses can come up with is "they should've been shot." Not a one of these students can afford the penalties. It crushes them, absolutely. If UM is "Rape Nation" thanks to Eggstrom's meddling, UM is also a hostile environment for athletes, because of what Missoula will do to them.

This is beyond a travesty. In the world of "justice," this is the injustice. When the police see it as their malicious duty to wreck lives, the real criminals are not these students.

Total bullshit statement...

 

[84GRIZ]

Another question. Did the 5 go in front of a judge on Sunday morning (who set the bond at $50,000 each)? The Missoulian article that I read never made that clear, just said that each bond was set at $50,000.

The two biggest problems I have with this whole thing is the $50,000 bond set on Sunday morning (did I read right the Marcus Karma's bond for killing a person was $30,000) and this bullshit $16,500 in restitution for "counseling or therapy for the family. What a crock?

Not sure who is more out of control, the police, the judges or the county attorney's office.

 

[tnt]

I'm failing understand how the family asked the court to have the kids listen to the 911 tapes so they would know what they were going through were not traumatized. Just because it turned out okay doesn't mean when they called 911, they weren't "scared" Yes they were relieved that it was stupidity.

Asking the judge to require the kid to hear the tape wasn't to tell the egriz bunch, it was no big deal..............

 

[tnt]

Another question. Did the 5 go in front of a judge on Sunday morning (who set the bond at $50,000 each)? The Missoulian article that I read never made that clear, just said that each bond was set at $50,000.

The two biggest problems I have with this whole thing is the $50,000 bond set on Sunday morning (did I read right the Marcus Karma's bond for killing a person was $30,000) and this bullshit $16,500 in restitution for "counseling or therapy for the family. What a crock?

Not sure who is more out of control, the police, the judges or the county attorney's office.

No they did not go before the judge on Sunday, nor did anyone set bond. Anyone arrested for SUSPICION OF Burglary has the same 50,000 bond until they see the judge. Had they waited until they saw the judge, it would no doubt have been reduced. Karma was initially held without bond.

I would think that the legal scholars would know the cops don't charge anyone with anything......

 

[grizindabox]

Another question. Did the 5 go in front of a judge on Sunday morning (who set the bond at $50,000 each)? The Missoulian article that I read never made that clear, just said that each bond was set at $50,000.

The two biggest problems I have with this whole thing is the $50,000 bond set on Sunday morning (did I read right the Marcus Karma's bond for killing a person was $30,000) and this bullshit $16,500 in restitution for "counseling or therapy for the family. What a crock?

Not sure who is more out of control, the police, the judges or the county attorney's office.

No they did not. The bond amount was determined by the booking charges...

 

[UMGriz75]

This meaning: they were walking home from a Halloween party, it was cold and raining, they called a friend to get them, they saw the large opening steps from the sidewalk, thought the house was under construction and not occupied, and decided to go up the ladder/scaffolding, and then waited for their friend to arrive. Again, not saying those were the facts. I think it's important to know more about why they went into the structure.

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I'll be darned, PR nailed it:

According to court proceedings, all four believed the residence to be unoccupied. They thought it was under construction, and went inside to get out of the rain.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/griz-players-um-student-plead-guilty-to-misdemeanor-charges/article_acbc9be4-9837-53aa-8038-29a247b8cae8.html

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This meaning: they were walking home from a Halloween party, it was cold and raining, they called a friend to get them, they saw the large opening steps from the sidewalk, thought the house was under construction and not occupied, and decided to go up the ladder/scaffolding, and then waited for their friend to arrive. Again, not saying those were the facts. I think it's important to know more about why they went into the structure.

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I'll be darned, PR nailed it:

According to court proceedings, all four believed the residence to be unoccupied. They thought it was under construction, and went inside to get out of the rain.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/griz-players-um-student-plead-guilty-to-misdemeanor-charges/article_acbc9be4-9837-53aa-8038-29a247b8cae8.html

Guess that makes it all good....nothing more to see here....

 

[SeattleBobcat]

This meaning: they were walking home from a Halloween party, it was cold and raining, they called a friend to get them, they saw the large opening steps from the sidewalk, thought the house was under construction and not occupied, and decided to go up the ladder/scaffolding, and then waited for their friend to arrive. Again, not saying those were the facts. I think it's important to know more about why they went into the structure.

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I'll be darned, PR nailed it:

According to court proceedings, all four believed the residence to be unoccupied. They thought it was under construction, and went inside to get out of the rain.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/griz-players-um-student-plead-guilty-to-misdemeanor-charges/article_acbc9be4-9837-53aa-8038-29a247b8cae8.html

Guess that makes it all good....nothing more to see here....

Sure there is, this thread hasn't hit 60 pages yet.

 

[grizatwork]

Beer!!! They were stealing BEER!!!

Those Bastards

Typical Grizzles, only time beer turns up missing from my tailgate is Cat griz

Yep. I will come by this year to take my share.

 

[caseyt123]

What a bunch of shit. What has this country come to? What a stupid thing for these players to do, but it was just that a minor stupid thing. Talk about making a storm out of a glass of water. In the old days (yes I am old), the judge would have embarrassed them, made them mow their lawn till they graduated, maybe a one game suspension from the university and it would be done with. Now WTF, criminal records, therapy, embarrassment of a whole team... And I bet the family that lives in the house feels like me. The only therapy they are going to need is to get over the idea that the legal system made such a big deal out of nothing, and how can they let Missoula now they agree WTF!!!

 

[LongTimeCatFan]

If the homeowner went out to confront them and one of the dudes made a move that made the man feel like his life was in jeopardy, he could have used lethal force legally due to the disparity of force. There was no disparity of force in the Kaarma case.

This situation and the Kaarma situation have very little in common other than both originate with criminal trespass.

The State argued, in the Kaarma case, that leaving the garage door open at night was an "invitation" and "entrapment" that by leaving his premises open to the public, he was creating a scenario likely to invite trespass by ignorant young people out on a lark.

Kaarma argued that when he went outside, he could not see into the garage, knew that someone was in there, and was afraid that the intruder, who was clearly "on the premises," was armed, and that he felt threatened in particular because of repeated intrusions and that the intruder knew that Kaarma was standing there.

The motive -- "stealing beer" -- was not a defense to murder, neither was the fact that the intruder was on the premises, inside a structure, in the dark, admittedly committing at least one crime. The State's argument -- that leaving the premises open to the public at night was an "invitation" -- offers a problematic argument, to get a conviction in that case.

Ummmm..... I think that one goes to reasonableness. Does a reasonable person set a trap to shoot someone as Kaarma did? It's as simple as that.

In this case, there was no intent on alluring an intruder. It would be reasonable to confront them.