3 Griz Arrested

[The.Real.2506]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

I think he just meant it sounded like a pretty nice house....nothing more...

 

[Raider]

Wait, so now it was the Mayor’s chihuahua??!!

The plot thickens.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Sorry I am late to the party. I am trying to catch up here.

So, if I am reading all this correctly, 3 Griz players broke into a house in the middle of the night to gang rape a chihuahua??

Wow, that is f***[*] up man!

Is going into an unfinished room above a garage, through a large opening--in a house being renovated and when the room isn't directed connected to the house, "breaking in"? I'm curious about why they went in (and scooted up the ladder).

Phase 2 of this ordeal: KVA, Counts and Schmaing contract with an aggressive lawyer and file suit against the home owner for failing to take reasonable measure to secure the property. The case goes to court after a change in venue to Kaisell and KVA is awarded a multi million dollar award for damages and loss of an NFL career, Counts too is awarded generously as is Schmaing but Schmaing is also awarded the deed to the property in question for the additional pain and suffering it has caused.

 

[Ursus1]

Counts would have probably tried to run except he might get "hurt" and he knew Schmaing wouldn't have made the key block anyway....

 

[UMGriz75]

So the structures aren't connected, but the family heard somebody "upstairs" walking around?

My understanding is that they are connected but there is no direct access between where they were and the interior of the living space. So I am assuming something that was a separate apartment with its own entrance over a garage connected to the house for example...

The whole house and garage is being renovated. From the outside, it looks to be a major overhaul, and I was surprised to see that someone was still living in it. The garage and upstairs is separated by a walkway from the main house, which is in back. The garage and "upstairs" is about as close to the sidewalk as can be, and the "upstairs" is open to the outside where there is going to be a large window. This is akin to a studio apartment or mother-in-law apartment. It is distinctly separate from the house, except that from the front, you can't even see the "house." From the street, it looks like a stand-alone house, with a garage on the bottom and "house" on top (as many are in Pattee Canyon). Looking at it, no one would guess there was anyone on the premises or anything valuable, since the large window space was obviously completely open to the elements (they put a piece of plywood over it today, which still leaves it mostly open). The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students. Other than standing in a large empty room open to the elements, there could not have been any "criminal" intent except that you can't stand on other people's property without permission or "invitation."

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

 

[Raider]

Counts would have probably tried to run except he might get "hurt" and he knew Schmaing wouldn't have made the key block anyway....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Ursus1]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

tough to agree with a Cat fan...but you are correct, similar level of offense and MSU handled it firmly. Hope UM does the same or Griz football will get even more crap .....

 

[bgbigdog]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

tough to agree with a Cat fan...but you are correct, similar level of offense and MSU handled it firmly. Hope UM does the same or Griz football will get even more crap .....

Looks like three games would be the extent of it if they wanted to go the maxim.

 

[EverettGriz]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

that was already brought up by PR, but rejected since those players had their schollys yanked and suspended from playing for 1 year

But you can continue down that line of thought if you want :thumb:

tough to agree with a Cat fan...but you are correct, similar level of offense and MSU handled it firmly. Hope UM does the same or Griz football will get even more crap .....

I agree; if things stay as they are, I'd have no issues with pulling their scholarships.

The one year suspension from playing is a joke, though. Those msu morons were all going to RS. A real statement would have been to suspend them from all team activities.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

If these guys knew someone was arounf they wouldnt have been acting the way they were. These guys are guilty of being a stupid 22 year old, i went and checked out some apartments the other night that are not finished yet. I should have been arrested lol. Maybe these these guys are guilty of much more....well see

 

[NorthwestFresh]

. The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students.

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

I'm not sure which of these is the most disturbingly creepy thing here.

That this guy apparently has already staked out the house, that he's passive-aggressively blaming the home owners, or that he's comparing UM student-athletes to wildlife in terms of judgement.

:shock:

 

[NorthwestFresh]

A real statement would have been to suspend them from all team activities.

You don't think pulling their scholarships was a "real statement?"

I just heard on the radio that Urban Meyer is pulling JT Barrett's scholarship for being arrested for DUI. Paul Ryan must not have passed the bar in Ohio?

 

[UMGriz75]

. The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students.

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

I'm not sure which of these is the most disturbingly creepy thing here.

That this guy apparently has already staked out the house, that he's passive-aggressively blaming the home owners, or that he's comparing UM student-athletes to wildlife in terms of judgement.

:shock:

Aside from you and your creepiness, I live in the neighborhood. I am not "blaming" the owners, I am describing how it appears from the street -- you know, facts and stuff like that. The point is (or was) that nobody had to "break in" to gain access. The access was open to anyone or anything.

 

[bgbigdog]

How's the traffic been driving by he place? Good thing it hasn't snowed yet.

 

[mcg]

Under Montana’s laws, a person commits the crime of burglary by entering or remaining in an “occupied structure” when the defendant intends to commit a crime inside or commits a crime inside the building. For example, a person who goes into an office intending to steal from the employee break room has committed burglary, as has a person who wanders into an office and, seeing a person’s purse unattended, takes off with it.

Occupied structure. An occupied structure is a building where people live and work, including a home, an office, or a vehicle (like a trailer) that is suitable for living or working. Abandoned buildings are not occupied structures.

Under Montana law, in order to be convicted of burglary, the defendant must either commit a crime inside the building or enter the building with the intent to commit a crime. How does a prosecutor prove that a defendant entered a structure intending to commit a crime? Usually, the defendant’s illicit intention can be determined by the circumstances, and the prosecutor is not required to establish exactly what was going through the defendant’s head. Most of the time, a person who breaks into a building has no reason for doing so except to commit a crime. For example, if a stranger forces entry into a home while armed with a knife, a jury would probably have little trouble concluding beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant entered the home intending to commit a crime.

I suspect that one might argue that the building in question was not an 'occupied structure' as defined in the law. I'm not a lawyer, but if I was the players lawyer I'm sure I'd repeat that over and over to the DA.

This is gonna go 17 pages easy. (ha! I didn't realize this was already at 16 pages)

 

[NativeGriz]

. The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students.

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

I'm not sure which of these is the most disturbingly creepy thing here.

That this guy apparently has already staked out the house, that he's passive-aggressively blaming the home owners, or that he's comparing UM student-athletes to wildlife in terms of judgement.

:shock:

As would be expected from anything you post, you cherry picked a small part of the post to make some point and that does make you disturbingly creepy.

 

[PlayerRep]

I understood, and even generally agree with, the point you were attempting to make. As Nzone perfectly stated however, the use of your example -- meant to be extreme or not -- was in extremely poor taste.

which was the point. you guys get trolls over here every day spouting stupid stuff. what i used as a hypothetical is no worse than crap i have read on this board for years by idiots trying to stir the pot. so of course it was in bad taste...that was the point. and as expected people jumped on it.

but what about the family? what about the kids in the house? i don't know how old they are but what if this incident really scared them? people break into homes, rob people, and worse all the time. isn't it just as inappropriate to completely disregard the feelings of this family and what it may have done to the kids? why isn't there outrage when people suggest this whole thing is blown out of proportion? what if it isn't? what if it left a family traumatized? what if the only thing that stopped this situation from being worse is the fact that the police were called? what if...?

to me you guys are just proving my point. use an example that is very negative to griz players and there is outrage. use an example that downplays what happened with complete disregard to the family and there is not one mention.

poor taste or not i have been a part of this board for a long time. i have met many of you and have never been an internet tough guy. my example did what i thought it would, and proved my point that both of our universities have bigger problems than wins and losses on a football field. apparently, throwing out "possibilities" without knowing the facts is only ok if it makes light of the incident and backs up the players. if you go the opposite way it is tasteless and inappropriate. the reputation of the players is more important than what the family might have endured that night. and the same crap happens here in bozeman and i think it is a problem.

The kids were probably asleep at 2:50am. There's no evidence that the family was traumatized. The guy and his wife seem like pretty cool and calm people, based on the Kaimin quotes. That doesn't mean that they weren't concerned. Looking at the Kaimin quotes, it looks like the guys were in a room that was not connected to the main house, or didn't have direct access to the house. If this was a room above a garage, most don't have direct access from that room to the house.

no disagreement here PR. and not one time have i intended to suggest otherwise. my whole point, and i'll leave it alone as i'm repeating myself, is that sometimes downplaying a potential incident can be as dangerous and misinformed as those that make outrageous claims trying to prove guilt. that was my only idea in all this.

And I'm just adding information and thoughts, and continuing the discussion. I haven't noticed anyone downplaying the incident. In fact, way more people have been going the other way.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

. The window isn't that far off of the sidewalk, you could practically jump into the window opening which really is quite large. There is rough scaffolding there. The structure was, in fact, open to the elements and any stray coyotes, deer, dogs, cats, birds, wombats and college students.

Had anyone been injured, this would have been an "attractive nuisance" case. Although major construction is obviously underway, there are no signs posted

I'm not sure which of these is the most disturbingly creepy thing here.

That this guy apparently has already staked out the house, that he's passive-aggressively blaming the home owners, or that he's comparing UM student-athletes to wildlife in terms of judgement.

:shock:

Aside from you and your creepiness, I live in the neighborhood. I am not "blaming" the owners, I am describing how it appears from the street -- you know, facts and stuff like that.

You posted that if someone was injured, it would be an "attractive nuisance" case for not securing the property. Those cases are typically for children who get injured, not grown men invading a structure at 2:30 am, although I'm quite sure some Griz fan attorney wouldn't mine trying to sue those evil homeowners for their unsecured/unmarked project.

Fans like you are why the program is such a Stitt show right now. I'm guessing that you've even considered contacting the city about this unmarked eyesore that 5 adults simply could not resist exploring.

When does the coddling stop?

 

[NorthwestFresh]

As would be expected from anything you post, you cherry picked a small part of the post to make some point and that does make you disturbingly creepy.

Tell me how an Attractive Nuisance case would apply here, or continue to add literally nothing other than personal shots at posters.

I pulled the moronic parts of that post, and wanted clarification about them.