3 Griz Arrested

[MsMaroon]

No. Iltc was giving an example, not giving his opinion. He may have been exaggerating to make his point, but it wasn't inappropriate.

It just sickens me when people do perverted things....for example, like when getgrizzy humps his/her chihuahua....

Will someone - other than the person named - please confirm for me that getgrizzy is a man and not a woman?

not sure the gender of getgrizzy really matters....but I will correct my initial statement...

It doesn't, and I wasn't referring to your post even though I quoted it. It is obvious - to me at least - gg has an agenda and so leaps on anything that supports that agenda; not unlike people on opposite sides of other polarizing subjects/issues.

I don't regard rushing to judgement to be a sexist thing; plenty of agenda pushing and hasty conclusions drawn by male and female posters alike. My point, I guess (poorly made) was that getgrizzy sometimes comes across like Gwen Florio in a bad Halloween costume. There are too few women on this board. I'd feel better if gg wasn't one of them.

 

[PlayerRep]

I doubt that. The homeowner probably couldn't hear everything that was said, or even recall exactly what was said. They could have said something like, "Jeez, anyone could come in here and take these tools." However, 75 has pointed out that the ladder aspect would impact taking much. This looks like it should have been charged as a misdemeanor, with additional investigation to see if it merited being charged as a felony.

Straight from the Kaimin article you have noted several times:

"The home owner said he heard the four students talked about taking something, but the homeowner said nothing was stolen or damaged."

seems to me that could be considered attempted burglary....

No, you are not correct.

So that quote isn't straight from the Kaimin article....or you didn't refer to it because it counters your agenda...

The quote doesn't support or justify your statement that homeowners statement to the Kaimin would be the reason they should be charged with a felony. Also, Pabst has already said this: ""The initial investigation did not provide sufficient information for my office to determine if felony charges are appropriate." Do you think the investigators aren't aware of what the homeowner said? It's funny to watch posters expound on subject areas they know nothing about.

 

[SACCAT66]

Straight from the Kaimin article you have noted several times:

"The home owner said he heard the four students talked about taking something, but the homeowner said nothing was stolen or damaged."

seems to me that could be considered attempted burglary....

No, you are not correct.

So that quote isn't straight from the Kaimin article....or you didn't refer to it because it counters your agenda...

The quote doesn't support or justify your statement that homeowners statement to the Kaimin would be the reason they should be charged with a felony. Also, Pabst has already said this: ""The initial investigation did not provide sufficient information for my office to determine if felony charges are appropriate." Do you think the investigators aren't aware of what the homeowner said? It's funny to watch posters expound on subject areas they know nothing about.

You have to remember that most of the posters postering posts never played the game....So it is hard for them.

 

[tnt]

Actually it would have been awfully difficult for anything to have been stolen, as they left with the cops............

 

[grizindabox]

Under Montana’s laws, a person commits the crime of burglary by entering or remaining in an “occupied structure” when the defendant intends to commit a crime inside or commits a crime inside the building. For example, a person who goes into an office intending to steal from the employee break room has committed burglary, as has a person who wanders into an office and, seeing a person’s purse unattended, takes off with it.

Occupied structure. An occupied structure is a building where people live and work, including a home, an office, or a vehicle (like a trailer) that is suitable for living or working. Abandoned buildings are not occupied structures.

Under Montana law, in order to be convicted of burglary, the defendant must either commit a crime inside the building or enter the building with the intent to commit a crime. How does a prosecutor prove that a defendant entered a structure intending to commit a crime? Usually, the defendant’s illicit intention can be determined by the circumstances, and the prosecutor is not required to establish exactly what was going through the defendant’s head. Most of the time, a person who breaks into a building has no reason for doing so except to commit a crime. For example, if a stranger forces entry into a home while armed with a knife, a jury would probably have little trouble concluding beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant entered the home intending to commit a crime.

 

[Griz 'n]

From the Kaimin article:

He and his wife said they could hear the assailants walking around and talking upstairs and could see them through a front window, but the homeowners stayed quiet.

“One of the guys was standing in the doorway and he was as big as the door, so I thought it wasn’t in my best interests to confront him,” he said.

The home owner said he heard the four students talked about taking something, but the homeowner said nothing was stolen or damaged.

Clearly, this whole incident was a re-enactment of the PSU game. Offensive lineman Schmaing, protecting the house and tasked with not letting anyone get past him through the door. Tomlinson playing number 99 from PSU, was barely touched as he ran past Schmaing into the house. Van Ackeren, though the closest to being able to make a difference, wasn't close enough to make a stop either as the play was over and he could only helplessly follow the others as they crossed the threshold for the score. Reep drove the team bus that showed up only after the damage had already been done. Counts watched it all from the sidelines.

 

[getgrizzy]

Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.

No. Iltc was giving an example, not giving his opinion. He may have been exaggerating to make his point, but it wasn't inappropriate.

It just sickens me when people do perverted things....for example, like when getgrizzy humps his chihuahua....

That doesn't fall in line with the iltc example. It would be "if" not "when". Saying "when" is offensive, saying "if" is not. You probably still don't see the difference.

 

[SACCAT66]

Actually it would have been awfully difficult for anything to have been stolen, as they left with the cops............

THIS!!!!

 

[grizindabox]

Either way, ILTC, your post was considerably inappropriate and not consistent with your usual rational self.

No. Iltc was giving an example, not giving his opinion. He may have been exaggerating to make his point, but it wasn't inappropriate.

It just sickens me when people do perverted things....for example, like when getgrizzy humps his chihuahua....

That doesn't fall in line with the iltc example. It would be "if" not "when". Saying "when" is offensive, saying "if" is not. You probably still don't see the difference.

It just sickens me when people do perverted things....for example, like if getgrizzy humps his chihuahua more than once per week....

 

[Grisly Fan]

Actually it would have been awfully difficult for anything to have been stolen, as they left with the cops............

THIS!!!!

"Excuse me officer, do you think that my table saw will your trunk?"

 

[grizindabox]

Actually it would have been awfully difficult for anything to have been stolen, as they left with the cops............

THIS!!!!

of course intent is considered, and you know, getting caught before you could actually leave with anything...

 

[first11]

Likely to be charged with juvenile stupidity only......soon welcomed back after establishing a prime example of post game hyginks!

 

[grizindabox]

Likely to be charged with juvenile stupidity only......soon welcomed back after establishing a prime example of post game hyginks!

not familiar with "hyginks".....

 

[UMGriz75]

Well, that's one of the unknown knowns at the moment. Their ride had arrived. Were they down on the sidewalk when the police arrived? Owner said nothing was taken, not that they were prevented from taking anything by the arrival of the police. Owner also said:

“I hope they’re not guilty of much more than being extraordinarily stupid,” he said.

The nature of the remark suggests he didn't think they had criminal intent, but having big strange guys on your property in the middle the night certainly would be fear-inducing, but the nature of the comments suggests that the disconnected structure and the renovation, and the fact that the family "kept quiet," the guys likely did not know that anyone was "there" to feel threatened. Again, going to "intent."

 

[Griz2k]

So the structures aren't connected, but the family heard somebody "upstairs" walking around?

 

[getgrizzy]

Well, that's one of the unknown knowns at the moment. Their ride had arrived. Were they down on the sidewalk when the police arrived? Owner said nothing was taken, not that they were prevented from taking anything by the arrival of the police. Owner also said:

“I hope they’re not guilty of much more than being extraordinarily stupid,” he said.

The nature of the remark suggests he didn't think they had criminal intent, but having big strange guys on your property in the middle the night certainly would be fear-inducing, but the nature of the comments suggests that the disconnected structure and the renovation, and the fact that the family "kept quiet," the guys likely did not know that anyone was "there" to feel threatened. Again, going to "intent."

If the homeowner doesn't think they should be charged, then that'll help their case legally, but it may not matter to Haslam and Stitt. Kind of like the guy who got his jaw broken by Johnson and Swink, but the dad didn't want him to press charges.

 

[grizindabox]

So the structures aren't connected, but the family heard somebody "upstairs" walking around?

My understanding is that they are connected but there is no direct access between where they were and the interior of the living space. So I am assuming something that was a separate apartment with its own entrance over a garage connected to the house for example...

 

[Bear Axed]

Sounds more like the Mayors house deal

 

[Griz2k]

So the structures aren't connected, but the family heard somebody "upstairs" walking around?

My understanding is that they are connected but there is no direct access between where they were and the interior of the living space. So I am assuming something that was a separate apartment with its own entrance over a garage connected to the house for example...

That makes more sense I guess. I just keep reading other people posting about them not being connected.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Hmmm:

http://missoulian.com/news/local/pa...cle_310142a2-595a-5d64-aab8-ebe3bca57592.html

So...Can they play until charges are brought? If no charges are filed, and they are not in jail, can't they play?

I think it's safe to assume that some charges will be brought, so it's highly unlikely they will play anytime soon. And they shouldn't.

There has already been way too much "assuming" in this thread. From being arrested for a felony requiring a $50,000 bond to this? I suggest waiting to see what charges are actually filed (if any) before any more egriz adjudication and sentencing takes place.