2023 O-Line

[AZGrizFan]

How many times did Stitt sign 4 o-linemen out of first 13? Do you really not see the different emphasis?

2015: (6) Angel Villanueva, Cody Meyer, Dallas Hart, Collin McGillivray, Joe Paolina, Jackson McCullough, Cy Sirmon (converted from LB)
2016: (6) Conlan Beaver, Dylan Eichmeyer, Thayne Jackson, Esai Longoria (converted from DT), Brandon Scott, Ashton Torres
2017: (3) Colton Keintz, Peyton Stoner, Skylar Martin

Fifteen O-linemen in 3 years. Average of 5 a year. He signed O-linemen. He also signed a lot of WR’s. Some of the best to ever put on a Griz uniform.

 

[behappp]

Imagine how much worse the o-line would be if Germer wasn't a good coach. UM gave up 1.55 sacks per game, 5th in conference and 30th in nation.

So UM was 5th in conference and you thinks that qualifies as good?
20,000+ fans and me don't buy our tickets every year expecting to see the Griz being 5th in conference and calling it good coaching.
We were 6th in the Big Sky with a 4-4 conference record. We had 6 STATS All-Americans and not a single one was for their offensive performance.

Every year we excel at Special teams. We have outstanding Linebackers and a strong DB crew.
What we don't have and haven't had is OL quality and consistency like we see in other positions on the Griz.

I thought the OL played their hearts out and improved as the season wore on but to say they were not the #1 weakness of this year's team just doesn't fit with what I and so many others saw.

If we get Chris Walker back then there will be no excuse. And there shouldn't be one after next year too. Saying it is a young inexperienced O-Line just means that Germer hasn't been recruiting that position consistently either under Stitt or under Hauck.

Recruiting and coaching at the level that we should expect is hard. But every other position coach has done it better than Germer.
I am tired of what you think is good. I want great. Year after year. I don't believe that Germer is the man to deliver that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

UM already had its starters and a bunch of good young o-linemen last year. had other needs.

Again I ask….who are these good young linemen? These “terrific prospects”? When do they actually become contributing linemen and starters? Or do we have to wait until they leave and go somewhere else?

The 3 frosh and 3 sophs on the 2-deep. Youth, talent and depth. Some starters already. Are you blind?

 

[mthoopsfan]

How many times did Stitt sign 4 o-linemen out of first 13? Do you really not see the different emphasis?

2015: (6) Angel Villanueva, Cody Meyer, Dallas Hart, Collin McGillivray, Joe Paolina, Jackson McCullough, Cy Sirmon (converted from LB)
2016: (6) Conlan Beaver, Dylan Eichmeyer, Thayne Jackson, Esai Longoria (converted from DT), Brandon Scott, Ashton Torres
2017: (3) Colton Keintz, Peyton Stoner, Skylar Martin

Fifteen O-linemen in 3 years. Average of 5 a year. He signed O-linemen. He also signed a lot of WR’s. Some of the best to ever put on a Griz uniform.

You didn't answer the question. converting a TE is not signing a lineman. so, not an average of 5 per year. Also, the extra covid year impacts the numbers per year.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Again I ask….who are these good young linemen? These “terrific prospects”? When do they actually become contributing linemen and starters? Or do we have to wait until they leave and go somewhere else?

The 3 frosh and 3 sophs on the 2-deep. Youth, talent and depth. Some starters already. Are you blind?

2-deep doesn’t mean squat. They literally NEVER subbed out until garbage time.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The 3 frosh and 3 sophs on the 2-deep. Youth, talent and depth. Some starters already. Are you blind?

2-deep doesn’t mean squat. They literally NEVER subbed out until garbage time.

The 2-deep is very meaningful. You didn't notice new players during injuries? Your comments on the subject are proving to mean squat.

 

[SoldierGriz]

How many times did Stitt sign 4 o-linemen out of first 13? Do you really not see the different emphasis?

2015: (6) Angel Villanueva, Cody Meyer, Dallas Hart, Collin McGillivray, Joe Paolina, Jackson McCullough, Cy Sirmon (converted from LB)
2016: (6) Conlan Beaver, Dylan Eichmeyer, Thayne Jackson, Esai Longoria (converted from DT), Brandon Scott, Ashton Torres
2017: (3) Colton Keintz, Peyton Stoner, Skylar Martin

Fifteen O-linemen in 3 years. Average of 5 a year. He signed O-linemen. He also signed a lot of WR’s. Some of the best to ever put on a Griz uniform.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Oh well...
And meanwhile:

https://www.wdayradionow.com/sports/58320-ndsu-football%E2%80%99s-mauch-has-been-named-the-fcs-ada%E2%80%99s-top-offensive-lineman

Kid was 205 pounds as a freshman when he rode his tractor into town and parked it outside the barn they play in.

 

[Bok_Choi]

How many times did Stitt sign 4 o-linemen out of first 13? Do you really not see the different emphasis?

2015: (6) Angel Villanueva, Cody Meyer, Dallas Hart, Collin McGillivray, Joe Paolina, Jackson McCullough, Cy Sirmon (converted from LB)
2016: (6) Conlan Beaver, Dylan Eichmeyer, Thayne Jackson, Esai Longoria (converted from DT), Brandon Scott, Ashton Torres
2017: (3) Colton Keintz, Peyton Stoner, Skylar Martin

Fifteen O-linemen in 3 years. Average of 5 a year. He signed O-linemen. He also signed a lot of WR’s. Some of the best to ever put on a Griz uniform.

If you were to look at the guys Hauck signed in years one and two in addition to what you have here, the thing that appears to be a constant at UM, is it's damn tough to find o-line guys. Martin, Beaver and Angel played, Keintz was a surprise given his pedigree and what luck it was to have Sirmon.

 

[Lord Vigo]

Hauck’s inability to recruit/develop an OL that’s better than average has certainly been the most surprising thing to me about his second stint at UM. I guess we will see if this class is the one that gets it right.

 

[AZGrizFan]

2-deep doesn’t mean squat. They literally NEVER subbed out until garbage time.

The 2-deep is very meaningful. You didn't notice new players during injuries? Your comments on the subject are proving to mean squat.

Injury substitutions <> “subbing out”. Absent injuries, the 2nd O-line NEVER played except for during mopup time (which there was little of after a 5-0 start). It must be more difficult than I imagined to see reality with your nose so far up Bobby’s ass. :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh well...
And meanwhile:

https://www.wdayradionow.com/sports/58320-ndsu-football%E2%80%99s-mauch-has-been-named-the-fcs-ada%E2%80%99s-top-offensive-lineman

Kid was 205 pounds as a freshman when he rode his tractor into town and parked it outside the barn they play in.

From the article: Mauch is the ninth NDSU player in the past 10 years to be recognized as the top offensive lineman in the FCS.

Sounds like SOMEONE knows how to develop offensive linemen. Meanwhile we don’t have 9 HS guys recruited in the last 10 years who’ve even made all-BSC, let alone best offensive linemen in AMERICA.

 

[brewskis]

Imagine how much worse the o-line would be if Germer wasn't a good coach. UM gave up 1.55 sacks per game, 5th in conference and 30th in nation.

So UM was 5th in conference and you thinks that qualifies as good?
20,000+ fans and me don't buy our tickets every year expecting to see the Griz being 5th in conference and calling it good coaching.
We were 6th in the Big Sky with a 4-4 conference record. We had 6 STATS All-Americans and not a single one was for their offensive performance.

Every year we excel at Special teams. We have outstanding Linebackers and a strong DB crew.
What we don't have and haven't had is OL quality and consistency like we see in other positions on the Griz.

I thought the OL played their hearts out and improved as the season wore on but to say they were not the #1 weakness of this year's team just doesn't fit with what I and so many others saw.

If we get Chris Walker back then there will be no excuse. And there shouldn't be one after next year too. Saying it is a young inexperienced O-Line just means that Germer hasn't been recruiting that position consistently either under Stitt or under Hauck.

Recruiting and coaching at the level that we should expect is hard. But every other position coach has done it better than Germer.
I am tired of what you think is good. I want great. Year after year. I don't believe that Germer is the man to deliver that.

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

So UM was 5th in conference and you thinks that qualifies as good?
20,000+ fans and me don't buy our tickets every year expecting to see the Griz being 5th in conference and calling it good coaching.
We were 6th in the Big Sky with a 4-4 conference record. We had 6 STATS All-Americans and not a single one was for their offensive performance.

Every year we excel at Special teams. We have outstanding Linebackers and a strong DB crew.
What we don't have and haven't had is OL quality and consistency like we see in other positions on the Griz.

I thought the OL played their hearts out and improved as the season wore on but to say they were not the #1 weakness of this year's team just doesn't fit with what I and so many others saw.

If we get Chris Walker back then there will be no excuse. And there shouldn't be one after next year too. Saying it is a young inexperienced O-Line just means that Germer hasn't been recruiting that position consistently either under Stitt or under Hauck.

Recruiting and coaching at the level that we should expect is hard. But every other position coach has done it better than Germer.
I am tired of what you think is good. I want great. Year after year. I don't believe that Germer is the man to deliver that.

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

His futile attempts to put lipstick on the pig, shows how low the expectations have become for this team. Attempting to paint Germer's O-line as being good by using a 5th place in the conference, and 30th in the nation shows desperation on his part. Of course, we all know that he will always attempt to put Bobby and his band of coaches in a positive light. During our years of competing for national championships, we routinely had one of the top 2-3 O-lines in the nation, put O-linemen into the NFL, and were certainly the top O-line in the conference.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

What was the turnover in the training room from 2010 until now? His first year back and that comment "We'll just throw them in the weight room and see what comes out in the spring." has developed some noticeable individual talent based upon post season rewards. The OL rotation looks pretty deep for next year.

It appears next year there better be a lot of kids in the running back and tight end room. The air raid fans won't enjoy watching the Griz next year, I don't believe.

 

[hubcap]

2-deep doesn’t mean squat. They literally NEVER subbed out until garbage time.

The 2-deep is very meaningful. You didn't notice new players during injuries? Your comments on the subject are proving to mean squat.

The depth we currently have on the OL is not talented. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Those that think we are going to be good on the OL next year will be in a for another disappointment next year. While the 5 starters are the best we have, I would trade every single one of them for the Bozo 5 starters. Every.Single.Position.Upfront

And yes Walker was granted another year because of what happened last year at Nebraska. The coaches at UM filled out the paperwork to get the year granted. It is doubtful that Walker will come back for his last year. He is being pressured to come back but I would bet he stays in Nebraska and doesn't come back. Guess we will see come winter condo.

 

[AZDoc]

I think the group signed today is a solid start to add depth. Now if they can be developed obviously that will tell all. If the starting 5 are all back, just with cohesiveness, that is a huge plus. They were average overall, but, yes, could be better. Still need at least 1 drop down, maybe 2. That said, if there is a new coach, could it also be that they need a new strength/conditioning/nutrition coach? that may be the next question...

 

[Ski Bum]

5th in the big sky, which only got one team into the semi finals, certainly is a whelming result.

This set me off on a most interesting dive into the meaning and best usage of the word "whelm". There's a case to be made here that your application of it is off the mark...but I'm not making it! You brought this wonderfully under-utilized word to the table, and get cut a lot of slack for doing so :clap:

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hauck’s inability to recruit/develop an OL that’s better than average has certainly been the most surprising thing to me about his second stint at UM. I guess we will see if this class is the one that gets it right.

The o-line is already good or pretty good. Good size and athletic.

Had 1st and 2d team all- conference players, both of whom are very good.

UM gave up 1.55 sacks per game, 5th in conference and 30th in nation. that's way above average. Behind, NAU, Davis, SS and MSU. Some of those in top 30 were running teams. UM played against some of the top defensive teams in nation.

40th in nation in rushing offense. 4.37 per rush. 6th in conference with 171 per game. About 16th in nation in rushing TD's. Probably top 40 in average per rush. Average per rush same as Weber.

A lineman from 2021 is on an NFL roster. Was identified and developed by current coaches.

6 returning starters. 3 are youngsters. 6 of the 2-deep were frosh and sophs last fall. The line is quite athletic. Is on the verge of DOLA. Had some very good games and some weak ones.

All above average, in my view. Prospects are terrific.

 

[mthoopsfan]

The 2-deep is very meaningful. You didn't notice new players during injuries? Your comments on the subject are proving to mean squat.

Injury substitutions <> “subbing out”. Absent injuries, the 2nd O-line NEVER played except for during mopup time (which there was little of after a 5-0 start). It must be more difficult than I imagined to see reality with your nose so far up Bobby’s ass. :lol:

One backup started 4 games. maybe he is now the starter.