2021 defense / ST discussion, strengths / concerns

[AZGrizFan]

Show me the weakness. Anywhere.

2-deep studs. Can’t wait for the season to start.

Yea we are deep but the huskies will show us the weaknesses. Hopefully it will be a learning experience on route to being undefeated in conference.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm preeeettttty sure we're weaker at every position than Washington. Breaking news, I'm sure...

 

[indian-outlaw]

Yea we are deep but the huskies will show us the weaknesses. Hopefully it will be a learning experience on route to being undefeated in conference.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm preeeettttty sure we're weaker at every position than Washington. Breaking news, I'm sure...

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't, and I think like any other team they will have to attack our weaknesses to win. Which should tell us something.

 

[AZGrizFan]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm preeeettttty sure we're weaker at every position than Washington. Breaking news, I'm sure...

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't, and I think like any other team they will have to attack our weaknesses to win. Which should tell us something.

Maybe not every position. But certainly the vast majority of them.

 

[garizzalies]

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't,

You’re right. We have the better long-snapper

 

[HookedonGriz]

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't,

You’re right. We have the better long-snapper

POTY candidate. And shout out to OD!

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't, and I think like any other team they will have to attack our weaknesses to win. Which should tell us something.

Maybe not every position. But certainly the vast majority of them.

Can anyone name a position we are better at than Washington? Perhaps linebacker? I honestly think you were right before. In all likelihood they are better at every position.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe not every position. But certainly the vast majority of them.

Can anyone name a position we are better at than Washington? Perhaps linebacker? I honestly think you were right before. In all likelihood they are better at every position.

Maybe ONE of our LB’s….kind of like the Dante Olson scenario against Oregon. He was the best LB on the field then. Lewis may be on the 4th. Other than that, probably not much.

 

[EverettGriz]

I would actually put our WR room up against UDub’s. Akem is as good as Bynam, and the GRIZ have more experience. Now, Washington has an untested group of four star guys so….

 

[AZGrizFan]

I would actually put our WR room up against UDub’s. Akem is as good as Bynam, and the GRIZ have more experience. Now, Washington has an untested group of four star guys so….

I dont’ know about the whole room, but definitely Akem. And I’d increase our chances tremendously if his partner in crime were still here and not wasting his talents at Nebraska.

 

[Spanky2]

Yea we are deep but the huskies will show us the weaknesses. Hopefully it will be a learning experience on route to being undefeated in conference.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm preeeettttty sure we're weaker at every position than Washington. Breaking news, I'm sure...

Please be reminded that football is a team sport, not an individual sport. Thank

 

[AZGrizFan]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I'm preeeettttty sure we're weaker at every position than Washington. Breaking news, I'm sure...

Please be reminded that football is a team sport, not an individual sport. Thank

Yes, it is. And the team with the better athletes wins about 95% of the time. Thank

 

[Spanky2]

Please be reminded that football is a team sport, not an individual sport. Thank

Yes, it is. And the team with the better athletes wins about 95% of the time. Thank

Are they better athletes or better rated?

 

[hunt-ducks]

Yes, it is. And the team with the better athletes wins about 95% of the time. Thank

Are they better athletes or better rated?

As Joe Glenn said to me while playing golf at the Verde River Golf club, when he lived in Arizona....... the biggest difference in an FBS team and an FCS team is depth. This is the reason why many games between teams in these divisions are close for a half, but then become blow-outs in the second half. I remember both the Iowa and Tennessee games. The Griz were able to hang in there for a half, then things got ugly in the second half.

 

[kemajic]

Are they better athletes or better rated?

As Joe Glenn said to me while playing golf at the Verde River Golf club, when he lived in Arizona....... the biggest difference in an FBS team and an FCS team is depth. This is the reason why many games between teams in these divisions are close for a half, but then become blow-outs in the second half. I remember both the Iowa and Tennessee games. The Griz were able to hang in there for a half, then things got ugly in the second half.

I don't think it's quite that simple although the depth issues underlie all. I've watched a lot of these games and the FCS defenses usually fare well at the start and keep the FCS team in the game. But the FCS offenses do not fare so well vs the superior speed of the FBS defenses which lead to a lot of 3 and outs. This then wears down the FCS defense eventually and they too then get beaten badly late.

Montana has better defensive depth than they've ever had for one of these games. But I suspect the 3 and outs will still be a problem. We won't be able to run the ball.

 

[hunt-ducks]

As Joe Glenn said to me while playing golf at the Verde River Golf club, when he lived in Arizona....... the biggest difference in an FBS team and an FCS team is depth. This is the reason why many games between teams in these divisions are close for a half, but then become blow-outs in the second half. I remember both the Iowa and Tennessee games. The Griz were able to hang in there for a half, then things got ugly in the second half.

I don't think it's quite that simple although the depth issues underlie all. I've watched a lot of these games and the FCS defenses usually fare well at the start and keep the FCS team in the game. But the FCS offenses do not fare so well vs the superior speed of the FBS defenses which lead to a lot of 3 and outs. This then wears down the FCS defense eventually and they too then get beaten badly late.

Montana has better defensive depth than they've ever had for one of these games. But I suspect the 3 and outs will still be a problem. We won't be able to run the ball.

Just quoting what Glenn said. The FBS teams, with their greater number of scholarships, have second team kids who could easily start on almost every FCS team. Montana, and the Bobcats have added several FBS drop-downs who were not starters on their previous teams, but who became studs for our teams. The fact that a team like UDUB can afford to substitute freely against us, without losing much talent level, while we are playing our starters for many more minutes, takes it's toll on us in the second half.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Are they better athletes or better rated?

As Joe Glenn said to me while playing golf at the Verde River Golf club, when he lived in Arizona....... the biggest difference in an FBS team and an FCS team is depth. This is the reason why many games between teams in these divisions are close for a half, but then become blow-outs in the second half. I remember both the Iowa and Tennessee games. The Griz were able to hang in there for a half, then things got ugly in the second half.

TF are you talking about? I was at the Tennessee game. We stopped them on the first drive, and had a fumbled PR. First play from scrimmage for the Vols after that fumble was a flea-flicker, and the receiver D'Rick Rogers was 15 yards behind the nearest safety. Lightning delay, then a runaway. The game was never close. It was 28-7 at half, and we had to listen to a ridiculously bad acapella group. We actually played with them better in the second half.

Montana was also scoreless in the first half versus Iowa in 2006. 27-7 at half versus Oregon in 2005. 21-0 at half versus Oregon in 2019. 35-7 versus UW in 2017. First half scores.

 

[EverettGriz]

As Joe Glenn said to me while playing golf at the Verde River Golf club, when he lived in Arizona....... the biggest difference in an FBS team and an FCS team is depth. This is the reason why many games between teams in these divisions are close for a half, but then become blow-outs in the second half. I remember both the Iowa and Tennessee games. The Griz were able to hang in there for a half, then things got ugly in the second half.

TF are you talking about? I was at the Tennessee game. We stopped them on the first drive, and had a fumbled PR. First play from scrimmage for the Vols after that fumble was a flea-flicker, and the receiver D'Rick Rogers was 15 yards behind the nearest safety. Lightning delay, then a runaway. The game was never close. It was 28-7 at half, and we had to listen to a ridiculously bad acapella group. We actually played with them better in the second half.

3 and out and a sack on the first drive. Then...SEC speed.

And that downpour....

 

[AZGrizFan]

TF are you talking about? I was at the Tennessee game. We stopped them on the first drive, and had a fumbled PR. First play from scrimmage for the Vols after that fumble was a flea-flicker, and the receiver D'Rick Rogers was 15 yards behind the nearest safety. Lightning delay, then a runaway. The game was never close. It was 28-7 at half, and we had to listen to a ridiculously bad acapella group. We actually played with them better in the second half.

3 and out and a sack on the first drive. Then...SEC speed.

And that downpour....

Tennessee stopped passing the ball. They could have scored 90 if they'd kept passing. We did pretty good against the run (that we pretty much knew was coming)...but when it counted, they toyed with us.

 

[3-7-77]

You believe we are weaker at every position? I don't,

You’re right. We have the better long-snapper

11-7-15 in Holt. His name was Andrew Burtenshaw, and we thought he was playing for ISU. Lining up for the game winning FG in OT, he launches one over the kickers head, the Griz grab it and get a TD.

Coach Mike Kramer, in a post-game interview said, "...the ball was tossed about as hard as it could have been...I'm surprised there isn't a hole in the wall."

There is no unimportant position.

 

[Spanky2]

Well, it seems if you are the underdog in athletic competition, you should stay home because you have no chance of winning. Maybe Washington will just send the check and we won’t have to go.