2016 Griz Defense.... Will It Be As Good?

[CV Griz Fan]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

 

[mrknowitall]

A little bird told me you can make Ty puke by mentioning 11/19/2016 and the number 75

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

A little bird told me you can make Ty puke by mentioning 11/19/2016 and the number 75

I love this guy!

 

[daGrizJ]

I agree with most of the posts that the talent level of the LBs and T Holmes/DL will be dificult to replace. There is some great potential coming in, but that's all I can say about it until the new players prove themselves.

I am optimistic about Semore. I will be surprised if the D just instantly changed to 3/4. For this year, and maybe forever, I expect it to be "situational". Maybe even play-to-play depending on the opposing team. Coach Stitt is an innovator and, I would think, that is also what he likes in the DC he brought with him.

The best hope I have in improved D is improvement of consistency of the O. There were, what seems like, hundreds of time last year that I thought Stitt should have run over and kissed Ty full on the lips for bailing him out after the offense had sputtered on somewhere around our 12 yard line. Where I do expect improvement, in this second year, is offensive play, and I believe that will be the main factor for this years D to be effective.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

The secondary is going to need to be much better if we can't get pressure on the QB. Losing Holmes hurts alot, but our graduating LBs were also an important part of the pass rush. Crittenden was also an under-appreciated piece of that front 7.

A healthy Kidder is going to be cruical. Hopefully our DEs can step it up and fill the void. Will also be interesting to see how the LBs are going to be utilized, especially in the different sets.

 

[PlayerRep]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

 

[EverettGriz]

Tough to say and perhaps even more difficult to measure.

The schedule is a little easier this year, so that should help.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

We'll see what you post if the Griz D struggles this season....Talk about being conflicted....

 

[catsack]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

CV is very accurate in his statement the griz defense has been very middle of the road . Some categories slightly above average some actually worse then MSU ! So you can cherry pick your stats to fit your agenda ! The griz defense has hovered around average for awhile now, excited to see what our new DC can do!

 

[Raider]

I’ll say this. With the lack of talent and more importantly depth, Ty probably made a run for it at the perfect time. This personnel with Ty’s scheme would have given up record yardage this year.

The only this that will keep this defense respectable this year is Semore’s scheme combined with a couple of good dropdowns they have been able bring in.

Like the offensive line, they are 1-2 years away (hopefully)

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

CV is very accurate in his statement the griz defense has been very middle of the road . Some categories slightly above average some actually worse then MSU ! So you can cherry pick your stats to fit your agenda ! The griz defense has hovered around average for awhile now, excited to see what our new DC can do!

Keep the words Griz..and defense out yo mouth until the Cats can stop a D2 team from dropping 50.

 

[brewskis]

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

CV is very accurate in his statement the griz defense has been very middle of the road . Some categories slightly above average some actually worse then MSU ! So you can cherry pick your stats to fit your agenda ! The griz defense has hovered around average for awhile now, excited to see what our new DC can do!

Looking at our recent LB corps, JR Nelson and Nate Harris at CB, and Tyronne and Kidder on the DL......Ty Gregorak's defense was like taking a handgun to a knife fight and getting stabbed 8 times.

He's taking over a whole lot less talent at MSU.....enjoy him all you want.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

We'll see what you post if the Griz D struggles this season....Talk about being conflicted....

He will just cherry pick stats that blow smoke up idiots asses and the smart guys will call him on his bullsh*t like we always do.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I’ll say this. With the lack of talent and more importantly depth, Ty probably made a run for it at the perfect time. This personnel with Ty’s scheme would have given up record yardage this year.

The only this that will keep this defense respectable this year is Semore’s scheme combined with a couple of good dropdowns they have been able bring in.

Like the offensive line, they are 1-2 years away (hopefully)

or 3......................

 

[CV Griz Fan]

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

We'll see what you post if the Griz D struggles this season....Talk about being conflicted....

He will just cherry pick stats that blow smoke up idiots asses and the smart guys will call him on his bullsh*t like we always do.

I'm just waiting for PR's first "I told you so moment" concerning the Griz D. You know he'll be chomping at the bit to give some props to TG if this D struggles next season....

 

[grizcountry420]

Actually, what CV said is not accurate. If you look at the important defensive stats as a whole, UM has been near the top of the Big Sky, in the middle of the pack of the stats of the PLAYOFF teams, and above the middle of the pack nationally. CV just likes to cherry pick a couple of the lower stats, and then ignores the others and refuses to look at average yards per play/carry and things like that.

We'll see what you post if the Griz D struggles this season....Talk about being conflicted....

He will just cherry pick stats that blow smoke up idiots asses and the smart guys will call him on his bullsh*t like we always do.

I'm just waiting for PR's first "I told you so moment" concerning the Griz D. You know he'll be chomping at the bit to give some props to TG if this D struggles next season....

For sure.. Kinda like, how he likes the throw shade on Stitt when things dont pan out.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

If you want a good clean thread and football discussion, why do you put stuff like this in your first sentence?

"let's have a football discussion about this topic instead of the childish name-calling and bragging from PR about how much of a big shot he is."

It's what I do. :twisted:

Again, it's difficult to build up a large post count when you spend 90% of your time banned from the site.

Nice hi-jack. Typical for a "fan" like you. I will not use the "P word", but I think you get my drift.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Too soon to tell IMO, but at the moment I'd say it will be a wash, or a slight improvement. Depending on how you measure improvement.

Most know that there is much more that goes into improvement than bettering your statistics. I think that our defense will be improved by the "eye test", and we'll see a more hard-nosed, gritty, and fundamentally sound unit than we did during Ty's tenure. Our depth is un-tested at LB and the majority of the DL, so we may not see statistical improvement, but I think it will be a better group based on the bolded characteristics.

Stitt has said in several articles that the change on defense is going to be "huge", so any evaluation will continue to change until the dust settles.

UMs national defensive stats have not been that great in recent years. They have been kinda "middle of the road" In the rankings. I could see a slight move up in the defensive rankings if the run D improves. In any event, it's going to be interesting knowing that the former DC has some supporters on this board. That fact will add a certain sizzle to some of the post game egriz discussions if the defensive results spike sharply one way or the other.....The 2016 season can't get here soon enough.

Good rational post. I agree with your assessment.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

The secondary is going to need to be much better if we can't get pressure on the QB. Losing Holmes hurts alot, but our graduating LBs were also an important part of the pass rush. Crittenden was also an under-appreciated piece of that front 7.

A healthy Kidder is going to be cruical. Hopefully our DEs can step it up and fill the void. Will also be interesting to see how the LBs are going to be utilized, especially in the different sets.

Spot on post! No secondary is very good without pressuring the QB. I think Holmes was a major factor in our improved secondary play last year.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I’ll say this. With the lack of talent and more importantly depth, Ty probably made a run for it at the perfect time. This personnel with Ty’s scheme would have given up record yardage this year.

The only this that will keep this defense respectable this year is Semore’s scheme combined with a couple of good dropdowns they have been able bring in.

Like the offensive line, they are 1-2 years away (hopefully)

Totally agree with you Raider.