2015 qb: gus, simis, or weyer?

[Fahque]

I didn't watch many of the games in 1999 so my opinion is based off of the 2000 season. Yes Miller had better stats in 2000 but that is because Edwards only came in as back up for an injured Miller or to try to dig us out of a hole that Miller had put us in, including the NC game. I attended every home game in 2000 and every time Edwards came in the crowd erupted and gave him the nickname Johnny Montana (or something like that). That year I thought Edwards was the better QB and the next year he led us to the NC win...though we had a great D too. Since I missed most of the 99 season maybe Miller was better overall...but he wasn't better in 2000.

Actually of the 1004 yds, 9tds and 4ints Edwards threw for in 2000, 682yds, 6tds, 3ints were when he was a starter (due to injury) not when he was coming in later in a game... so your memory is a bit foggy there I'm afraid. He was 48-96 (50%), 682yds, 6tds, 3ints (124.1 QB Efficiency Rating) as a starter in 2000.

Also, which games was Edwards brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in? As someone who watched every game in 2000 and was in the stadium for every home game I don't remember a single game where Miller put us in a hole resulting in Edwards coming in as our savior to dig us out of that hole. When Edwards came in it was usually due to an injury or the fact that the game was well in hand (along with an injury that game actually when Miller sat the 2nd half after we were up 28-7).

Keep in mind, I have every box score right here in front of me along with when the injuries occurred, the scores, and all that good stuff. So I'll give you a hint... the number of times that Edwards was brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in (not due to injury) is less than 1, but greater than -1.

Besides... if Edwards was coming in as our savior to dig us out of the hole, wouldn't that mean his stats would probably reflect that and be better?

Maybe you're thinking of when Neill used to come in for Edwards when Edwards needed a series or two on the sidelines since he wasn't doing so well?

Lots of people used to call Miller Doughboy because he looked fat n slow out there and couldn't evade a sack to save his life.

Never heard that one, but that's beyond pathetic. So was the cheering when Miller would get hurt because it meant Edwards was coming in. Amazing some Griz fans would stoop that low when it comes to an injured player who is busting his ass out there, and still putting up all American numbers. I guess some people can't see past the "born in Montana" bias bullshit or dislike of transfers. Even with the injuries he still put up far superior numbers to Edwards and helped lead the Griz to the NC game with a 13-1 record. Not too shabby.

Sorry I struck a nerve, Drew

 

[catsack]

I didn't watch many of the games in 1999 so my opinion is based off of the 2000 season. Yes Miller had better stats in 2000 but that is because Edwards only came in as back up for an injured Miller or to try to dig us out of a hole that Miller had put us in, including the NC game. I attended every home game in 2000 and every time Edwards came in the crowd erupted and gave him the nickname Johnny Montana (or something like that). That year I thought Edwards was the better QB and the next year he led us to the NC win...though we had a great D too. Since I missed most of the 99 season maybe Miller was better overall...but he wasn't better in 2000.

Actually of the 1004 yds, 9tds and 4ints Edwards threw for in 2000, 682yds, 6tds, 3ints were when he was a starter (due to injury) not when he was coming in later in a game... so your memory is a bit foggy there I'm afraid. He was 48-96 (50%), 682yds, 6tds, 3ints (124.1 QB Efficiency Rating) as a starter in 2000.

Also, which games was Edwards brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in? As someone who watched every game in 2000 and was in the stadium for every home game I don't remember a single game where Miller put us in a hole resulting in Edwards coming in as our savior to dig us out of that hole. When Edwards came in it was usually due to an injury or the fact that the game was well in hand (along with an injury that game actually when Miller sat the 2nd half after we were up 28-7).

Keep in mind, I have every box score right here in front of me along with when the injuries occurred, the scores, and all that good stuff. So I'll give you a hint... the number of times that Edwards was brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in (not due to injury) is less than 1, but greater than -1.

Besides... if Edwards was coming in as our savior to dig us out of the hole, wouldn't that mean his stats would probably reflect that and be better?

Maybe you're thinking of when Neill used to come in for Edwards when Edwards needed a series or two on the sidelines since he wasn't doing so well?

Lots of people used to call Miller Doughboy because he looked fat n slow out there and couldn't evade a sack to save his life.

Never heard that one, but that's beyond pathetic. So was the cheering when Miller would get hurt because it meant Edwards was coming in. Amazing some Griz fans would stoop that low when it comes to an injured player who is busting his ass out there, and still putting up all American numbers. I guess some people can't see past the "born in Montana" bias bullshit or dislike of transfers. Even with the injuries he still put up far superior numbers to Edwards and helped lead the Griz to the NC game with a 13-1 record. Not too shabby.

Sorry I struck a nerve, Drew

Neil should have replaced Edwards for his senior year , if it wasn't for a big donation to um for sprint turf.

 

[argh!]

Sorry I struck a nerve

yes, you did. your memory isn't particularly good. for example, "the crowd" did not give edwards the nickname johnny montana. i honestly don't remember anyone cheering when miller went out, either. quit confabulating, john.

 

[grizatwork]

I didn't watch many of the games in 1999 so my opinion is based off of the 2000 season. Yes Miller had better stats in 2000 but that is because Edwards only came in as back up for an injured Miller or to try to dig us out of a hole that Miller had put us in, including the NC game. I attended every home game in 2000 and every time Edwards came in the crowd erupted and gave him the nickname Johnny Montana (or something like that). That year I thought Edwards was the better QB and the next year he led us to the NC win...though we had a great D too. Since I missed most of the 99 season maybe Miller was better overall...but he wasn't better in 2000.

Actually of the 1004 yds, 9tds and 4ints Edwards threw for in 2000, 682yds, 6tds, 3ints were when he was a starter (due to injury) not when he was coming in later in a game... so your memory is a bit foggy there I'm afraid. He was 48-96 (50%), 682yds, 6tds, 3ints (124.1 QB Efficiency Rating) as a starter in 2000.

Also, which games was Edwards brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in? As someone who watched every game in 2000 and was in the stadium for every home game I don't remember a single game where Miller put us in a hole resulting in Edwards coming in as our savior to dig us out of that hole. When Edwards came in it was usually due to an injury or the fact that the game was well in hand (along with an injury that game actually when Miller sat the 2nd half after we were up 28-7).

Keep in mind, I have every box score right here in front of me along with when the injuries occurred, the scores, and all that good stuff. So I'll give you a hint... the number of times that Edwards was brought in to "dig us out of a hole" that Miller put us in (not due to injury) is less than 1, but greater than -1.

Besides... if Edwards was coming in as our savior to dig us out of the hole, wouldn't that mean his stats would probably reflect that and be better?

Maybe you're thinking of when Neill used to come in for Edwards when Edwards needed a series or two on the sidelines since he wasn't doing so well?

Lots of people used to call Miller Doughboy because he looked fat n slow out there and couldn't evade a sack to save his life.

Never heard that one, but that's beyond pathetic. So was the cheering when Miller would get hurt because it meant Edwards was coming in. Amazing some Griz fans would stoop that low when it comes to an injured player who is busting his ass out there, and still putting up all American numbers. I guess some people can't see past the "born in Montana" bias bullshit or dislike of transfers. Even with the injuries he still put up far superior numbers to Edwards and helped lead the Griz to the NC game with a 13-1 record. Not too shabby.

Sorry I struck a nerve, Drew

Neil should have replaced Edwards for his senior year , if it wasn't for a big donation to um for sprint turf.

Any truth to the rumor that the "anonymous donor" quit making payments after the first payment and the U had to pick up the rest of the cost?

 

[George Ferguson]

NOPE. no truth to that rumor whatsoever. There's a reason it's called John Hoyt Field. Because that was a condition of the "anonymous" donor who paid for every red cent of the very first installation of turf. He didn't cancel or stop paying anything.

 

[George Ferguson]

Catsack, so you're claiming that Joe Glenn WANTED to bench John Edwards for Brandon Neil? But he was told if he did, the field turf would be ripped up and hauled away and Wash-Griz would have had to re-plant grass? Cool story.

 

[catsack]

Catsack, so you're claiming that Joe Glenn WANTED to bench John Edwards for Brandon Neil? But he was told if he did, the field turf would be ripped up and hauled away and Wash-Griz would have had to re-plant grass? Cool story.

Those weren't my words! You can read into it however you want , just felt Neil was better !

 

[grizatwork]

NOPE. no truth to that rumor whatsoever. There's a reason it's called John Hoyt Field. Because that was a condition of the "anonymous" donor who paid for every red cent of the very first installation of turf. He didn't cancel or stop paying anything.

Thank you. I actually heard that a few weeks ago from a Cat fan from the Denton area who claims to know the Edwards family well. I did not know if there was any truth to it. Yeah I know he is a cat fan, but is actually a pretty nice guy and been pretty trustworthy.

 

[George Ferguson]

Catsack, I don't need to read into anything. I have no idea if Brandon Neil was a better player. I just know John Edwards helped the Griz win a national title. I also know Joe Glenn loved winning, ALOT, and I KNOW he wouldn't make a decision on who to play based on a parent. This isn't high school football. Glenn felt even a banged up Johnny Montana still gave the Griz the best chance to win. Was he right? Was he wrong? That debate can NEVER be proven now.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Sorry I struck a nerve, Drew

So relying on facts, statistics and a memory that isn't a foggy mess makes me "Drew"? :roll:

Do you actually have a rebuttal to the facts I posted other than that absurd reply?

Also I noticed you dodged the question where I asked you to point out which games Edwards was brought for the purpose of digging us out of a hole that Miller put us in. Remember that claim you made? You also claimed that Edwards ONLY came in as a backup to do just that... which is false of course as well. So I'm asking you to back up your statements with some actual evidence. Can you do that? :mrgreen:

 

[grizindabox]

Russell Wilson....game manager...

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

Russell Wilson....game manager...

One has to agree that worked out pretty well for Seattle... :clap:

 

[Potomac Griz]

Russell Wilson....game manager...

One has to agree that worked out pretty well for Seattle... :clap:

Unfortunately it sure as hell did work out well for Seattle. Didn't help that the Broncos decided to do their best impersonation of the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers out there.

 

[griz4life]

Russell Wilson....game manager...

You're suggesting similarities between John Edwards and Russell Wilson?
They did both wear shoes....