#2 seed?

[WSUnPurple]

Funny how that works......

I was excited for the #2 Seed so the guys could rest up, now I've justified that this game Saturday gives us an opportunity to stay sharp, (I'm thinking about the last 2 years with the First round byes) Hosting the tournament.

All you guys could talk about after your EWU loss, was how important a home game was to build momentum going into the tourney, now you've flopped, and are excited that Cherry and co. can rest up. I will say this, 9 days is a long time off.....

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

Awesome.....I am acutally happy we dont get to see the griz play again in MSLA. They need a rest.

Moreover, lets hope Coach Tinks works out some wrinkles on offense, and gets Mr. Selvig and Co. some designed play's on the perimeter to remove the double and triple teams applied on Qvale. Or should I say, lets hope Selvig and Co. just knock down some outside shots.

Now the Big sky will be represented by Butler-Hancock arena on ESPN......embarrasing uke:

According to the Big sky website this is were the tourney is anyway.

 

[DoubleNicks]

Funny how that works......

I was excited for the #2 Seed so the guys could rest up, now I've justified that this game Saturday giving us an opportunity to stay sharp, (I'm thinking about the last 2 years) Hosting the tournament.

All you guys could talk about after your EWU loss was how important a home game was to build momentum going into the tourney, now you've flopped, and are excited that Cherry and co. can rest up. I will say this, 9 days is a long time off.....

Yeah, I also assumed being the 3 seed was good in the sense of having an extra opportunity to win and pad your record for NCAA selection time (but possibly hurt your RPI by playing a BSC team again, I guess). I know I'm getting ahead of myself by talking about the NCAA tourney and you guys are looking at advantages to win the BSC tourney, but if you don't win the BSC and make the NCAA then it all goes to waste anyway.

 

[griz8791]

and I thought losing to EWU at their place was bad!........blown out by EWU in Ogden???.gotta suck to be a weebs fan right now

If anyone can relate, it's Griz fans. Fandom in this conference is like a 90-day ride on a bad rollercoaster.

 

[Grizbacker1]

Can hardly wait for Pickle Boy Dill to break it down for us. His genius coach Adras could only manage a 4 seed, and now this? lmfao :lol:

 

[griz8791]

Funny how that works......

I was excited for the #2 Seed so the guys could rest up, now I've justified that this game Saturday gives us an opportunity to stay sharp, (I'm thinking about the last 2 years with the First round byes) Hosting the tournament.

All you guys could talk about after your EWU loss, was how important a home game was to build momentum going into the tourney, now you've flopped, and are excited that Cherry and co. can rest up. I will say this, 9 days is a long time off.....

Somebody on the Weber board posted "Is this the only home game no one is mad we lost?"

I hadn't thought much about that before but finishing 3rd may very well be better than 2nd because of the extra home game to build momentum.

I think the bigger issue is that the tournament is a crap shoot. There are just so many chances for something weird to happen, and so much history in our conference of something weird actually happening, that no one -- including the host -- can feel very confident about threading the needle.

 

[BWahlberg]

A little bummed, I wanted to see our guys in Dahlberg one more time and would have loved to see them beat down EWU. However a #2 seed is a good thing so they can rest up.

Good luck Griz, lets get back to the big dance!

 

[SeaGrizluvr]

Funny how that works......

I was excited for the #2 Seed so the guys could rest up, now I've justified that this game Saturday gives us an opportunity to stay sharp, (I'm thinking about the last 2 years with the First round byes) Hosting the tournament.

All you guys could talk about after your EWU loss, was how important a home game was to build momentum going into the tourney, now you've flopped, and are excited that Cherry and co. can rest up. I will say this, 9 days is a long time off.....

Somebody on the Weber board posted "Is this the only home game no one is mad we lost?"

I hadn't thought much about that before but finishing 3rd may very well be better than 2nd because of the extra home game to build momentum.

I think the bigger issue is that the tournament is a crap shoot. There are just so many chances for something weird to happen, and so much history in our conference of something weird actually happening, that no one -- including the host -- can feel very confident about threading the needle.

I think this whole "building momentum" thing can be a little overrated. We really built momentum by getting that road win over Portland State,didn't we. :roll:

 

[griz8791]

Someday when I have a lot of time and energy I'll try to figure out how often lower seeds won the Big Sky tournament, whether the lowest seed has ever won it, etc. Without any of those facts in front of me, my impression is that no one has an inside track and that the 6 seed can and has come storming out of obscurity to win it.

 

[GrizBBIsKing]

Funny how that works......

I was excited for the #2 Seed so the guys could rest up, now I've justified that this game Saturday gives us an opportunity to stay sharp, (I'm thinking about the last 2 years with the First round byes) Hosting the tournament.

All you guys could talk about after your EWU loss, was how important a home game was to build momentum going into the tourney, now you've flopped, and are excited that Cherry and co. can rest up. I will say this, 9 days is a long time off.....

Somebody on the Weber board posted "Is this the only home game no one is mad we lost?"

I hadn't thought much about that before but finishing 3rd may very well be better than 2nd because of the extra home game to build momentum.

I think the bigger issue is that the tournament is a crap shoot. There are just so many chances for something weird to happen, and so much history in our conference of something weird actually happening, that no one -- including the host -- can feel very confident about threading the needle.

I think this whole "building momentum" thing can be a little overrated. We really built momentum by getting that road win over Portland State,didn't we. :roll:

No momentum was made from that win. That game they almost blew it in the last couple minutes and then they lost the next game.

I also think this extra time to rest is also being overrated. One week is plenty of time to rest.
I believe the benefit of the extra three days rest will be minimal.

but there isn't any point to dwell over it. The griz aren't going to have a game to add momentum like they had last year and in 2005. 2006 is a year they were 2nd seed, so there certainly isn't any proof that having an extra game will help or not.

So, I am kind of neutral on that extra game. Seeing EWU is so hot, not having to play them again appears to be the most beneficial about not having that extra game.

 

[EverettGriz]

Momentum. Rest. Layoff. Health. You could make solid arguments either way.

But I'll take a 2 seed over a 3 any day. Needing to win 3 games to dance is tougher than needing to win 2. And the travel to Greeley should be a little less complicated with no game on Saturday.

Facing the NAU/Eastern winner will be no picnic, but on a neutral floor the Griz should be all right.

 

[loyalgriz]

The last five times the Griz have won the BSC tournament, they have been a road team. I'd say we have a great chance.

 

[ilovethecats]

Momentum. Rest. Layoff. Health. You could make solid arguments either way.

But I'll take a 2 seed over a 3 any day. Needing to win 3 games to dance is tougher than needing to win 2. And the travel to Greeley should be a little less complicated with no game on Saturday.

Facing the NAU/Eastern winner will be no picnic, but on a neutral floor the Griz should be all right.

maybe ewu and msu will both shock the conference then we'll have cat-griz part 3....

:?

 

[EverettGriz]

Momentum. Rest. Layoff. Health. You could make solid arguments either way.

But I'll take a 2 seed over a 3 any day. Needing to win 3 games to dance is tougher than needing to win 2. And the travel to Greeley should be a little less complicated with no game on Saturday.

Facing the NAU/Eastern winner will be no picnic, but on a neutral floor the Griz should be all right.

maybe ewu and msu will both shock the conference then we'll have cat-griz part 3....

:?

I like it! But obviously I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning, because obviously I had the potential match-ups all effed up.

 

[ilovethecats]

I like it! But obviously I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning, because obviously I had the potential match-ups all effed up.

ya you guys will play the highest seed after the first round which will most likely be (3) weber beating (6) ewu. my guess is unc will be playing (4) nau. however, if both msu and ewu find a way to win, it'll be unc-ewu and cats-griz!

i'm not holding my breath....

 

[BWahlberg]

Someday when I have a lot of time and energy I'll try to figure out how often lower seeds won the Big Sky tournament, whether the lowest seed has ever won it, etc. Without any of those facts in front of me, my impression is that no one has an inside track and that the 6 seed can and has come storming out of obscurity to win it.

Think about the last three times the Griz went to the big dance, they never hosted, last year was @ Weber and the two times before were @ NAU and @ PSU.

It's maybe not the most accurate source but looking on Wikipedia the host has clearly the best chance to win the tourney but in the last 11 years 6 times the host team did not win. Going back to 2000:

2000: Host was Montana, winner was NAU
2001: Host was CS-Northridge, winner was CS-Northridge
2002: Host was MSU, winner was UM
2003: Host was Weber, winner was Weber
2004: Host was EWU, winner was EWU
2005: Host was PSU, winner was UM
2006: Host was NAU, winner was UM
2007: Host was Weber, winner was Weber
2008: Host was PSU, winner was PSU
2009: Host was Weber, winner was PSU
2010: Host was Weber, winner was UM

 

[griz8791]

While waiting for a conference call to start this morning I found that the Big Sky media guide publishes the final conference standings back to the 1970s. The next time I'm waiting on hold I'll use that to try to cross-reference the last couple of decades of conference tournament winners with their seedings going into the tournament.

Meanwhile, here's what I learned in late January when I tried to find out whether the host team usually wins the tournament.

After hunting around I found a wikipedia page that lays out the history of the BSC tournament and who won in which venues. I was surprised to find that the last 5 times we've won the tournament, it was someplace other than Missoula:

1997: BSC tournament was in Flagstaff, Griz won
2002: BSC tournament was in Bozeman, Griz won
2005: BSC tournament was in Portland, Griz won
2006: BSC tournament was in Flagstaff, Griz won
2010: BSC tournament was in Ogden, Griz won

We last hosted it in 2000 but didn't make the title game. Before that we last hosted in 1991 and 1992 and won both of those.

Other years in which a non-host won the BSC tournament:

1976: tourney in Missoula; Boise wins
1978: tourney in Missoula; Weber wins
1983: tourney in Reno; Weber wins
1984: tourney in Ogden; Nevada wins
1985: tourney in Boise; Nevada wins
1986: tourney in Reno; MSU wins
1987: tourney in Flagstaff; Idaho State wins
1988: tourney in Bozeman; Boise wins
1989: tourney in Boise; Idaho wins
1990: tourney in Boise; Idaho wins
1993: tourney in Moscow; Boise wins
2000: tourney in Missoula; NAU wins
2009: tourney in Ogden; Portland State wins.

The host team won the tournament in 1977 (ISU); 1979 (Weber); 1980 (Weber); 1981 (Idaho); 1982 (Idaho); 1991 (Montana); 1992 (Montana); 1994 (Boise); 1995 (Weber); 1996 (MSU); 1998 (NAU); 1999 (Weber); 2001 (Cal State Northridge); 2003 (Weber); 2004 (EWU); 2007 (Weber); and 2008 (Portland State).

In other words, since 1976 the host teams have won it 17 times and teams other than the host team have won it 18 times. I half-recall a lot of tinkering in the early to mid-1980s with the criteria for hosting the tournament, so I am not sure it has always been awarded to the team with the best regular-season record.

 

[griz8791]

Year          Venue            Tourney Winner    Tourney Winner's 
                                                 Reg Season Place
1976          Missoula         Boise             2
1977	       Pocatello	     Idaho State       1
1978	       Missoula	      Weber	          3
1979	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
1980	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
1981	       Moscow	        Idaho	          1
1982	       Moscow	        Idaho	          1
1983	       Reno	          Weber	          1
1984	       Ogden	         Nevada	         4
1985	       Boise	         Nevada	         1
1986	       Reno	          MSU	            6
1987	       Flagstaff	     Idaho State	    7
1988	       Bozeman	       Boise	          1
1989	       Boise	         Idaho	          2
1990	       Boise	         Idaho	          1
1991	       Missoula	      Griz	           1
1992	       Missoula	      Griz	           1
1993	       Moscow	        Boise             2
1994	       Boise	         Boise	          5
1995	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
1996	       Bozeman	       MSU	            1
1997	       Flagstaff	     Griz	           2
1998	       Flagstaff	     NAU	            1
1999	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
2000	       Missoula	      NAU	            3
2001	       Northridge	    CS-Northridge	  1
2002	       Bozeman	       Griz	           5
2003	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
2004	       Cheney/Spokane	EWU	            1
2005	       Portland	      Griz	           3
2006	       Flagstaff	     Griz	           2
2007	       Ogden	         Weber	          1
2008	       Portland	      Portland State    1
2009	       Ogden	         Portland State	 2
2010	       Ogden	         Griz	           4

 

[Mousegriz]

Looks like EWU has as much momentum as anyone heading into the playoff. Griz lose in OT (at EWU) and would have hosted them again had EWU not thumped Weber (at WEBER). Nothing's a given but our home game against EWU would have seemed a little less dicey than Weber now facing them again, at home, after getting somewhat thumped there last night.

Griz best deal might be avoiding EWU if they beat Weber again next week (and the momentum continues)......Think we'd face "highest remaining" seed which would be NAU or Cats.

I like our team and was frustrated like most when we couldn't hit anything last Sat. night. That said, we lost in OT on the road and the same team beat Weber at home. Griz not pouting.....enjoyed the story of lots of extra shooting at practice this week.

Go Griz!!

 

[Umista]

Why we watch the game? Win every game? Never works that way. Is not fun, however, coming from behind kicking the favorites butt watching our guys play great perhaps over the top...Now that is why we watch. Our kids produce big time and out play the opponent, face it, that is what we hope for and wish for.
I am not sure we won't win the whole damn thing!