2 QB System

[uofmman1122]

Honest question: who does everyone actually think is QB2? Did Ah Yat really bump Vidlak down the depth chart? Who would you trust to take the reigns if necessary?

Ah Yat is #2 and has been for several weeks now.

 

[3-7-77]

I see creating a FCS football team as akin to a poker game. You play the hand you are dealt. Two QBs might be good with some teams. Seems to work in Bozo. But to categorically say they are good or bad is foolish. Griz seem to have a pretty good hand this year. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

 

[bgbigdog]

I see creating a FCS football team as akin to a poker game. You play the hand you are dealt. Two QBs might be good with some teams. Seems to work in Bozo. But to categorically say they are good or bad is foolish. Griz seem to have a pretty good hand this year. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

I would point you back to last year when they spent almost every week in the second half of the season trying to get the injured guy ready to play because the second string guy couldn’t play and the backup who might have been able to play never got reps - game reps.

Having guy two not always in a trial by fire situation would be immensely helpful.

 

[3-7-77]

Good point, but that points to another problem: coaching decisions. Last year's problems bled over into this year's problems, and culminated with the NAU debacle, and subsequent turnaround.

 

[behappp]

Cliff is a slow starter. I watch all the Dodger games every summer and they've had several starters that have problems getting through the first inning. If they get through that then they are rolling for many more.
McD seems to be of that mold. Once he finds his rhythm he is as good as any QB I've seen in the FCS. It would be nice to have a big lead at Portland so we could play Ah Yat some but we have a 1 QB system and that QB is McDowell.
Luckily we escaped the dirty players at Suck State with him healthy and we should have him ready to rock for these 2 important games that are left

 

[bgbigdog]

Cliff is a slow starter. I watch all the Dodger games every summer and they've had several starters that have problems getting through the first inning. If they get through that then they are rolling for many more.
McD seems to be of that mold. Once he finds his rhythm he is as good as any QB I've seen in the FCS. It would be nice to have a big lead at Portland so we could play Ah Yat some but we have a 1 QB system and that QB is McDowell.
Luckily we escaped the dirty players at Suck State with him healthy and we should have him ready to rock for these 2 important games that are left

I think Pease bears a lot of responsibility for slow starts. Their first play from scrimmage was the predictable run up the middle for two yards. Play two was the lateral pass to the sidelines without numbers for blocking, a loss of a four. Now they’re facing a third and long. McD has to scramble against a team that brings pressure and viola, a 3/0.

Why not a pass over the middle to one of the adjunct tackles? You know, guys who don’t actually exist in the game plan for anything but holding calls. Which is what punctuated the first play of the next series, negating a plus one run for nearly ten.

You’re right in that he’s a rhythm player, and getting him up to speed looks like it would be the right thing to do. I would suggest he’s ready to run the offense as is. Find the weakness and go at it right away. Here’s a crazy thought, why not trot Ah Yat out there and let him go down the field right away. Two unproductive series out of the gate aren’t going to be helpful when playing a team who can put up thirty or more a game. Possessions are too precious to surrender - even if the defense is playing well.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Cliff is a slow starter. I watch all the Dodger games every summer and they've had several starters that have problems getting through the first inning. If they get through that then they are rolling for many more.
McD seems to be of that mold. Once he finds his rhythm he is as good as any QB I've seen in the FCS. It would be nice to have a big lead at Portland so we could play Ah Yat some but we have a 1 QB system and that QB is McDowell.
Luckily we escaped the dirty players at Suck State with him healthy and we should have him ready to rock for these 2 important games that are left

I think Pease bears a lot of responsibility for slow starts. Their first play from scrimmage was the predictable run up the middle for two yards. Play two was the lateral pass to the sidelines without numbers for blocking, a loss of a four. Now they’re facing a third and long. McD has to scramble against a team that brings pressure and viola, a 3/0.

Why not a pass over the middle to one of the adjunct tackles? You know, guys who don’t actually exist in the game plan for anything but holding calls. Which is what punctuated the first play of the next series, negating a plus one run for nearly ten.

You’re right in that he’s a rhythm player, and getting him up to speed looks like it would be the right thing to do. I would suggest he’s ready to run the offense as is. Find the weakness and go at it right away. Here’s a crazy thought, why not trot Ah Yat out there and let him go down the field right away. Two unproductive series out of the gate aren’t going to be helpful when playing a team who can put up thirty or more a game. Possessions are too precious to surrender - even if the defense is playing well.

My big reason to advocate for not trotting Ah Yat out there to start the game is that I can't think of any faster way to create a problem in the locker room. McDowell is the starter, and that confidence from the staff and team should be protected. Loved seeing Ah Yat out there successfully, and I love the idea of getting him reps when the game is out of hand, but we have a QB who is thriving in the offense, has passed the ball better than I heard anyone expecting him to, and is hell on wheels when he gets running. Lets make sure that everyone in that locker room has no doubt that the staff has the same faith in Big Cliff that the team has shown him since camp.

 

[bgbigdog]

Ah Yat didn’t enter the game against NoCo when it was out of hand. It was 0-0 near the end if the quarter. And maybe they weren’t feeling like NoCo was going to be much of a test, but things were technically still in doubt in a game where it took the whole quarter before the offense found its footing, against an 0-7 opponent.

Sorry, but this isn’t Vidlak we’re talking about. There are no factions now, even if there were four games back. Everyone is pulling in the same direction and no one would begrudge the coaching staff with getting some on the job training for the kid before things get out of hand.

Either that or Hauck is just BSing about the desire to have a two QB system.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Ah Yat didn’t enter the game against NoCo when it was out of hand. It was 0-0 near the end if the quarter. And maybe they weren’t feeling like NoCo was going to be much of a test, but things were technically still in doubt in a game where it took the whole quarter before the offense found its footing, against an 0-7 opponent.

Sorry, but this isn’t Vidlak we’re talking about. There are no factions now, even if there were four games back. Everyone is pulling in the same direction and no one would begrudge the coaching staff with getting some on the job training for the kid before things get out of hand.

Either that or Hauck is just BSing about the desire to have a two QB system.

I absolutely think he was BSing about a 2 QB system. I know I've been a big Bobby Hauck homer on here since I joined, but there is nothing about "Bobby Hauck" and "2 QB System" that makes sense to me. Even from what he has said, it was more of a competition than a combination.

You're right, Ah Yat didn't come in when it was out of hand against NOCO. I'd be okay if he came in when it was not, that was badly phrased by me in my post. However, I absolutely don't want him to get one of the first two or three series, though. McDowell's confidence as the starter has been powerful for the team. Protect that.

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

Well either way, if we have a big lead it doesn't matter, I don't think Ah Yat will play. We had the game in the bag entering the 4th quarter and they didn't play him at all. It makes no sense not playing him last week. When we had a game won, you could've got him in to get him extra reps and also protect McDowell from getting an injury. But leaving McDowell in wasn't smart at all. Especially if we want to keep McDowell healthy.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Well either way, if we have a big lead it doesn't matter, I don't think Ah Yat will play. We had the game in the bag entering the 4th quarter and they didn't play him at all. It makes no sense not playing him last week. When we had a game won, you could've got him in to get him extra reps and also protect McDowell from getting an injury. But leaving McDowell in wasn't smart at all. Especially if we want to keep McDowell healthy.

I don't know how much "work" or "reps" Ah Yat was gonna get. All McDowell did was hand off in the 4th quarter after the 97 yard TD pass. He wasn't getting injured. These are the 14 plays run AFTER the 97 yard TD pass:

Gillman (6)
Gillman (32)
Gillman (4)
Gillman (14)
Ostmo (9)
Ostmo (10, TD)

Childs (10)
Childs (1)
Childs (12)
Childs (2)
Childs (7)
Childs (5)
Childs (7)
Childs (-4, Turnover on downs)

 

[bgbigdog]

Well either way, if we have a big lead it doesn't matter, I don't think Ah Yat will play. We had the game in the bag entering the 4th quarter and they didn't play him at all. It makes no sense not playing him last week. When we had a game won, you could've got him in to get him extra reps and also protect McDowell from getting an injury. But leaving McDowell in wasn't smart at all. Especially if we want to keep McDowell healthy.

I don't know how much "work" or "reps" Ah Yat was gonna get. All McDowell did was hand off in the 4th quarter after the 97 yard TD pass. He wasn't getting injured. These are the 14 plays run AFTER the 97 yard TD pass:

Gillman (6)
Gillman (32)
Gillman (4)
Gillman (14)
Ostmo (9)
Ostmo (10, TD)

Childs (10)
Childs (1)
Childs (12)
Childs (2)
Childs (7)
Childs (5)
Childs (7)
Childs (-4, Turnover on downs)

There’s a huge difference in practice reps vs. game reps. Even if it’s simply handing off. And they wouldn’t have wasted a chance to let him run the offense when he came in.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It sure seems like some people always need to complain about something.

 

[bgbigdog]

Ah Yat didn’t enter the game against NoCo when it was out of hand. It was 0-0 near the end if the quarter. And maybe they weren’t feeling like NoCo was going to be much of a test, but things were technically still in doubt in a game where it took the whole quarter before the offense found its footing, against an 0-7 opponent.

Sorry, but this isn’t Vidlak we’re talking about. There are no factions now, even if there were four games back. Everyone is pulling in the same direction and no one would begrudge the coaching staff with getting some on the job training for the kid before things get out of hand.

Either that or Hauck is just BSing about the desire to have a two QB system.

I absolutely think he was BSing about a 2 QB system. I know I've been a big Bobby Hauck homer on here since I joined, but there is nothing about "Bobby Hauck" and "2 QB System" that makes sense to me. Even from what he has said, it was more of a competition than a combination.

You're right, Ah Yat didn't come in when it was out of hand against NOCO. I'd be okay if he came in when it was not, that was badly phrased by me in my post. However, I absolutely don't want him to get one of the first two or three series, though. McDowell's confidence as the starter has been powerful for the team. Protect that.

I couldn’t care less how Hauck labels things. I was hopeful they had learned their lesson from the eggs/basket situation they got themselves into last season. I think Ah Yat is more than a step above where they were at last season, but his experience is limited. Anything they can do to let him gain experience, is going to pay off if he should happen to need to drive the car upcoming.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I absolutely think he was BSing about a 2 QB system. I know I've been a big Bobby Hauck homer on here since I joined, but there is nothing about "Bobby Hauck" and "2 QB System" that makes sense to me. Even from what he has said, it was more of a competition than a combination.

You're right, Ah Yat didn't come in when it was out of hand against NOCO. I'd be okay if he came in when it was not, that was badly phrased by me in my post. However, I absolutely don't want him to get one of the first two or three series, though. McDowell's confidence as the starter has been powerful for the team. Protect that.

I couldn’t care less how Hauck labels things. I was hopeful they had learned their lesson from the eggs/basket situation they got themselves into last season. I think Ah Yat is more than a step above where they were at last season, but his experience is limited. Anything they can do to let him gain experience, is going to pay off if he should happen to need to drive the car upcoming.

Maybe I am just behind the times. I just have never known any fan base, other than ours these days, to call for bringing backup QBs in early in the game to get them experienced. It seems preposterous to me, but I have been very, very wrong before. (I did pick Ryan Simpson as my offensive breakout player of the year, after all)

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

The best was bringing in Vidlak in the Northern Colorado game just to take a knee twice. I actually felt bad for him.

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

Well either way, if we have a big lead it doesn't matter, I don't think Ah Yat will play. We had the game in the bag entering the 4th quarter and they didn't play him at all. It makes no sense not playing him last week. When we had a game won, you could've got him in to get him extra reps and also protect McDowell from getting an injury. But leaving McDowell in wasn't smart at all. Especially if we want to keep McDowell healthy.

I don't know how much "work" or "reps" Ah Yat was gonna get. All McDowell did was hand off in the 4th quarter after the 97 yard TD pass. He wasn't getting injured. These are the 14 plays run AFTER the 97 yard TD pass:

Gillman (6)
Gillman (32)
Gillman (4)
Gillman (14)
Ostmo (9)
Ostmo (10, TD)

Childs (10)
Childs (1)
Childs (12)
Childs (2)
Childs (7)
Childs (5)
Childs (7)
Childs (-4, Turnover on downs)

QBs get injured all the time, even if all they're doing is handing the ball off. Especially if they're playing against a team who's playing dirty and is known for cheap shots.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The best was bringing in Vidlak in the Northern Colorado game just to take a knee twice. I actually felt bad for him.

yeah. I thought that was actually kinda shitty.

 

[bgbigdog]

I couldn’t care less how Hauck labels things. I was hopeful they had learned their lesson from the eggs/basket situation they got themselves into last season. I think Ah Yat is more than a step above where they were at last season, but his experience is limited. Anything they can do to let him gain experience, is going to pay off if he should happen to need to drive the car upcoming.

Maybe I am just behind the times. I just have never known any fan base, other than ours these days, to call for bringing backup QBs in early in the game to get them experienced. It seems preposterous to me, but I have been very, very wrong before. (I did pick Ryan Simpson as my offensive breakout player of the year, after all)

Aren’t we just inquiring about something the head coach noted “was the plan all along?” As fans, I think we might expect that if something were to happen to McD, that whomever trots onto the field in relief, might have the ability to pick up where he leaves off. Not asking for the moon/sun/stars because there is only one ball. But taking advantage of opportunities to give the next guy up some experience isn't a foreign concept or something that the fanbase should have to call for. Most teams just do it.

Simpson might as well line up at TE for all the work they give him.