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100 out of 120 FBS D1 departments turn profit 2010-2011

WaGriz4life

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Contrary to NCAA rhetoric, Independent study shows a great majority of D1 Athletic Departments were profitable in 2010-2011.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/blog/_/name/assael_shaun/id/7889475/kansas-state-most-profitable-athletic-department-2010-11-file" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought no FBS programs made any money, except for a select view. :?
 
The revenues include state and institutional support. See items 6, 7 and 8, quoted below. Back out those "revenues" and see how the numbers look.


6. Direct State or Other Government Support.

Include state, municipal, federal and other government appropriations made in support of the operations of intercollegiate athletics. This amount includes funding specifically earmarked to the athletics department by government agencies for which the institution has no discretion to reallocate. Any state or other government support appropriated to the university, for which the university determines the dollar allocation to the athletics department shall be reported in Direct Institutional Support (item 7).

7. Direct Institutional Support.

Include value of institutional resources for the current operations of intercollegiate athletics, as well as all unrestricted funds allocated to the athletics department by the university (e.g., state funds, tuition, tuition waivers and transfers). Also include Federal Work Study support for student workers employed by athletics. Report actual amounts and do not net with Transfers to Institution (category 37).

8. Indirect Facilities and Administrative Support.

Include value of facilities and services provided by the institution not charged to athletics. This support may include an allocation for institutional administrative cost, facilities and maintenance, grounds and field maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service. If your institution does not currently track indirect institutional support, consult your business office for a reasonable allocation. If counted here, include offsetting expenditure equal in value in Expense Category 32 (Indirect Facilities and Administrative Support).
 
WaGriz4life said:
Contrary to NCAA rhetoric, Independent study shows a great majority of D1 Athletic Departments were profitable in 2010-2011.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/blog/_/name/assael_shaun/id/7889475/kansas-state-most-profitable-athletic-department-2010-11-file" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought no FBS programs made any money, except for a select view. :?

Assuming the total operating revenue and total operating expense numbers are correct (the available cells don't add up to the total reported number), it looks to me like 20 of the 120 schools operated in the red and 100 in the black.

However, if you subtract out the University subsidy there is about a 50/50 split with 64 schools operating in the red and 56 operating in the black.
 
wbtfg said:
WaGriz4life said:
Contrary to NCAA rhetoric, Independent study shows a great majority of D1 Athletic Departments were profitable in 2010-2011.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/blog/_/name/assael_shaun/id/7889475/kansas-state-most-profitable-athletic-department-2010-11-file" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought no FBS programs made any money, except for a select view. :?

Assuming the total operating revenue and total operating expense numbers are correct (the available cells don't add up to the total reported number), it looks to me like 20 of the 120 schools operated in the red and 100 in the black.

However, if you subtract out the University subsidy there is about a 50/50 split with 64 schools operating in the red and 56 operating in the black.
Should have said turned profit or broke even as that is more accurate and stated in the article. The point is these departments are not broke and in massive debt like some in the NCAA would lead you to believe to justify their economic model.
 
PlayerRep said:
The revenues include state and institutional support. See items 6, 7 and 8, quoted below. Back out those "revenues" and see how the numbers look.


6. Direct State or Other Government Support.

Include state, municipal, federal and other government appropriations made in support of the operations of intercollegiate athletics. This amount includes funding specifically earmarked to the athletics department by government agencies for which the institution has no discretion to reallocate. Any state or other government support appropriated to the university, for which the university determines the dollar allocation to the athletics department shall be reported in Direct Institutional Support (item 7).

7. Direct Institutional Support.

Include value of institutional resources for the current operations of intercollegiate athletics, as well as all unrestricted funds allocated to the athletics department by the university (e.g., state funds, tuition, tuition waivers and transfers). Also include Federal Work Study support for student workers employed by athletics. Report actual amounts and do not net with Transfers to Institution (category 37).

8. Indirect Facilities and Administrative Support.

Include value of facilities and services provided by the institution not charged to athletics. This support may include an allocation for institutional administrative cost, facilities and maintenance, grounds and field maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service. If your institution does not currently track indirect institutional support, consult your business office for a reasonable allocation. If counted here, include offsetting expenditure equal in value in Expense Category 32 (Indirect Facilities and Administrative Support).
Here is the argument against the NCAA not including institutional support in its accounting.


The NCAA stopped counting allocated revenue in its 2004 report, according to NCAA spokesman Erik Christiansen. "College presidents wanted to know the real cost of intercollegiate athletics without any institutional support," he wrote in an email to ESPN.

Schwarz considers that method to be misleading because any support that flows the other way -- from the athletic department to the university -- counts as an expense in the eyes of the NCAA. Some athletic departments, for instance, give money annually to their school. Further, Schwarz argued, any payments made by universities to athletic departments could be seen as marketing fees, given that sports teams provide enormous publicity for universities.

"The NCAA wants to say these programs are horribly expensive and there's not enough money for them, but on other hand they admit they're valuable to the campus," he said. "They provide advantages in fundraising and help with admissions by driving up the quality of applicants. Those benefits don't show up on the balance sheet."

On the expense side, there are also caveats. NCAA member schools provide $2 billion a year in athletic aid to students, Emmert said. But most of those costs stay within the university; it's one department, athletics, transferring money to another, such as the bookstore. Tuition, the largest chunk of any athletic scholarship, carries no real hard cost, as it's just a seat in a classroom (though it could count as an opportunity cost, if it's true that seat would have been taken by a non-athlete paying full tuition).

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6209609" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Huh, paint me skeptical of this. I mean, UCONN only lost $1.6 million playing in their bowl game last year, so if ESPN says it, it must be true. :? :?
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-09-28/bcs-bowl-games-cost-some-schools/50582512/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
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