08/12 scrimmage [merged threads]

[Pater_Ursus_Arctos]

Why did Canada not play? Sorry if I missed it in a post...

Thanks,

Go Griz!

 

[Pounder29]

Growler since you liked the incumbent DBs any thoughts on the JC transfer Goodwin?

7) I was impressed by the play of Nate Harris and Josh Dennard. Josh has beefed up since last season, and can really deliver a blow now. He will punish some receivers this year!

 

[Growler1]

I don't know if I'm going to be the voice of reason here or not. I wanted desperately to be there but it's harvest time. From reading, qb 1 and 2 played with the 1 and 2 defense and had a tough time but qb3 playing against the 3 defense had a great night and is clearly the best. Again, this is just from reading this thread. I would like to know how the guys working against the #1 Defense did against the #1 defense then how did the guys do against the #2 D and then #3 D. Otherwise it is horribly flawed. After all, I threw for 17 touchdowns the other day with the middle school kids at the park so I should probably start, right?

McKinney was with the 1s, Brzczeck and SSH shared time against the 2s, Gustafson was against the 3s.

Incorrect. The units that all three of the reserve QBs played with were a patchwork of 2's and 3's, with many substitutions made so that the coaches could look at all of the players. Bottom line is, the other 3 QBs had to play behind back-up O-Linemen, which is NOT a strength of this team. We are thinner on the O-line than a flatworm's peter.

 

[Growler1]

Growler since you liked the incumbent DBs any thoughts on the JC transfer Goodwin?

7) I was impressed by the play of Nate Harris and Josh Dennard. Josh has beefed up since last season, and can really deliver a blow now. He will punish some receivers this year!

While I noticed him, his play was unremarkable. Does not mean that he is not a good player, I just did not notice anything special from him.

 

[Pounder29]

Aprreciate that, wasn't expecting a Darrel Revis type of review appreciate as long as he was doing his responsiblity

 

[Growler1]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

 

[GrizMusician]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

I'd hate to have to catch a football below my waste... just saying... :shit: uke: :lol:

 

[BWahlberg]

I hope we don't split time with the QB's Brint. I'm not a very big fan of that, pick a QB and stick with him.

This.

I'm not... but I am...

I did not like the dual QB situation in 2009 but it wound up working as it allowed Selle to emerge as the season went on. I think this year will be the same. Trent and Adam each have strengths and weaknesses, and this defense is becoming more and more familiar with what they are. However come an in-game situation where the opposing team is highly limited with prior scouting and knowledge of QB/system. At that point, we'll see which QB can flourish in more uncertain live-game situations, and that will presumably be our starter.

The way things are going Adam is going to catch Trent quickly. He could surpass him, who knows, but I bet it'll take September to figure it out.

 

[Growler1]

I hope we don't split time with the QB's Brint. I'm not a very big fan of that, pick a QB and stick with him.

This.

I'm not... but I am...

I did not like the dual QB situation in 2009 but it wound up working as it allowed Selle to emerge as the season went on. I think this year will be the same. Trent and Adam each have strengths and weaknesses, and this defense is becoming more and more familiar with what they are. However come an in-game situation where the opposing team is highly limited with prior scouting and knowledge of QB/system. At that point, we'll see which QB can flourish in more uncertain live-game situations, and that will presumably be our starter.

The way things are going Adam is going to catch Trent quickly. He could surpass him, who knows, but I bet it'll take September to figure it out.

I am not saying that Adam is the savior either. He is frosh, with ZERO game experience. He will make lots of mistakes this season as he learns, IF he wins the starting job. But I am stating now that McKinney has shown me nothing as far as doing the multiple things necessary to lead this team as QB. He is a very good runner, for sure, just as Kemp was. Can he read defenses? Can he go through his receiver progressions? I am not sure. But, I think that Adam will be able to with experience.

 

[BWahlberg]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

It was inside his hip and in both hands.

Old Hauckism, if you can put two hands on it you should catch the ball.

Sam punching the advertising board and shouting suggests he was frustrated with himself on the drop. Additionally he held on to it for a second because as it came out and fell forward he even went after it as if it were a fumble, suggesting he had that ball in his grip for a step or two.

 

[Growler1]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

It was inside his hip and in both hands.

Old Hauckism, if you can put two hands on it you should catch the ball.

Sam punching the advertising board and shouting suggests he was frustrated with himself on the drop. Additionally he held on to it for a second because as it came out and fell forward he even went after it as if it were a fumble, suggesting he had that ball in his grip for a step or two.

I said that he should have caught it, and he certainly thought he should have caught it. But it was NOT a perfect throw, and was a more difficult catch than normal.

 

[gah-riz]

Carver was on the sideline in shorts and t-shirt...let's just say he didn't look injured.

Ah an expert on injuries from afar.

Come on man, did you watch him walk at all? He couldn't even bend his right leg, and had a soft brace over the knee.

Dude, you thought he was on the field and dropped a pass, gimme a break.

 

[PlayerRep]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

It was inside his hip and in both hands.

Old Hauckism, if you can put two hands on it you should catch the ball.

Sam punching the advertising board and shouting suggests he was frustrated with himself on the drop. Additionally he held on to it for a second because as it came out and fell forward he even went after it as if it were a fumble, suggesting he had that ball in his grip for a step or two.

Is G1 talking about the swing pass to Gratton on the west sideline, which was very low but he still should have caught it? I don't think the pass down the middle was low. It was just that Gratton was going full speed and under pressure from at least one defender, who appeared to be close enough to almost touch the ball or clobber Gratton. Gratton usually makes both of these catches, as he was terrific hands and is not afraid of contact.

 

[BWahlberg]

No - the seam route to Gratton up the middle.

 

[GrizMusician]

I just watched the scrimmage videos... & the first thing I noticed between the QBs is their composure before the snap. Watch & compare the likes of Breez & McKinney vs the others. Breez & McKinney clearly have a lot more confidence & act like they belong there.

IMO, Breez will learn the playbook & be our next QB. For only having five practices & a scrimmage under his belt with the Griz he is doing UNREAL.

 

[Willie]

Carver was on the sideline in shorts and t-shirt...let's just say he didn't look injured.

Ah an expert on injuries from afar.

Come on man, did you watch him walk at all? He couldn't even bend his right leg, and had a soft brace over the knee.

Dude, you thought he was on the field and dropped a pass, gimme a break.

Go ahead and go up to him and say, "let's just say he didn't look injured". I played 3 years of high school ball with a snapped peroneal tendon in my right ankle, and I didn't "look" injured, I just never spoke up about it. Now I have 4 screws and constant pain from it. He obviously spoke up about something nagging and they were smart about it to sit him out.

As far as confusing him with Gratton...they both have long hair (too long), both the same color of hair, and are roughly the same size. I don't effing pay attention to numbers in scrimmages as they tend to change periodically. So bite me.

 

[griz4life]

Trent managed the game pretty well, I thought. At least three of his incomplete passes hit the wr on the numbers and should have been caught. He got rid of the ball quickly. he ran the zone read well. Trent should be ready to play by Sept. 1. He looked at least as prepared for the first fall scrimmage as JJ was last August. I've seen Griz QBs perform much worse after one week of organized practice.

Adam B looked good for a Griz of seven days. He looked better than S-H, who has been in the system for two years and still holds onto the ball too long.

 

[grizfnz]

Brint wrote "McKinney can do all that is needed" as the starting QB for this team. Except pass the ball. McKinney is another Gerald Kemp...... both of whom are not FCS caliber QBs, and should be playing other positions. Just because McKinney is a good runner, does not make him a QB. It took us 4 years of hope and prayer with Kemp to finally realize that he was NOT a QB. It will be the same with McKinney. He will start, flounder, make drive-killing mistakes, over-throw wide-open receivers, and interceptions.

I suppose the 4 drops (Gratton, Pierson twice, Saylor) one being a would-be 50 yard TD and the other 2 being for first downs on 3rd and short were his fault in passing as well?

I think one thing that needs to be remembered is this system requires the QB to be a good runner as well. It's hard to compare McKinney (or JJ or Brzczeck) to prior Griz QBs because this system requires a QB that can run nearly as often as he throws. At the FCS level the sacrifice of completion % is usually made to meet that, I think JJ was under 60% completion in many games until the team really heated up in November.

Additionally McKinney did not make any drive killing mistakes last night while Brzczeck made one. Trent did over throw open WRs on 3rd down but he saw where the WR was and went for it and threw to the right target. Meanwhile on a would-be TD drive Brzczeck tossed an interception on an obvious mis-communication.

I do think Trent needs to settle down in those long passes though because if he doesn't as Brzczeck learns this playbook more he'll take over the starting spot. I'm not down on either, I think in the next week or so they'll wind up battling for the starting spot and I like what I see from both at times.

I could easily see the season open with Trent and Adam splitting time to see who produces better in a live game situation.

Let's put it into perspective. Yes, there were passes dropped. The Saylor drop and the two (actually 3) by Pierson were the receiver's fault. But the supposed TD pass to Gratton was NOT a perfect throw, as you have tried to convey. The throw was low, below Gratton's waste, which is always a tough catch when running full speed. The ball should have been leading him and above the shoulders to be a perfect throw. Should Gratton have caught it? Definitely. But it was a more difficult catch than normal because he had to adjust to catching it below his waste.

Sam punching the advertising board and shouting suggests he was frustrated with himself on the drop.

Since everybody is a lawyer these days I would like the above statement stricken from the record Your Honor, as it is purely speculation on behalf of Mr.Wahlberg.

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[Umista]

Thanks again to all you crackpot Griz fans for the scrimmage comments. We are getting around to football without a rape word. Sounds so good makes me want to start drinking again and again.

Old Growler came alive after hiding out in AZ over winter and he did a fine job on his critique. Our punter is great and getting better. Adam B was coach Harbaughs pick to walk on so that is a no brainer and I hope he is as good as we think he will be. We need a good QB! Looks like we have one or two.

Cat pee fans are begining to worry.....*

 

[gah-riz]

Carver was on the sideline in shorts and t-shirt...let's just say he didn't look injured.

Ah an expert on injuries from afar.

Come on man, did you watch him walk at all? He couldn't even bend his right leg, and had a soft brace over the knee.

Dude, you thought he was on the field and dropped a pass, gimme a break.

Go ahead and go up to him and say, "let's just say he didn't look injured". I played 3 years of high school ball with a snapped peroneal tendon in my right ankle, and I didn't "look" injured, I just never spoke up about it. Now I have 4 screws and constant pain from it. He obviously spoke up about something nagging and they were smart about it to sit him out.

As far as confusing him with Gratton...they both have long hair (too long), both the same color of hair, and are roughly the same size. I don't effing pay attention to numbers in scrimmages as they tend to change periodically. So bite me.