Irony of Ironies.

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Irony of Ironies.

Post by citay » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:31 pm

If we've all detected one weakness in this year's team, it is the lack of a polished post presence. Sure, basketball is changing, becoming more "positionless," yet the absence of a skilled big is killing us.

But if you look back on Montana basketball, solid post play has always been a hallmark of Montana teams: Krysko; Tinkle; Engellant; Trammel; Kemfert; Samuelson; Covill; McBride; Vanek; Strait; Hasquet; Rosser; Qvale; Selvig; Breunig; Krslovic. (And I've probably forgotten some good ones in there.)

How we could use any of those guys this year!

Meantime, for many years, Montana's weakness was its lack of quickness in the backcourt. We'd make it to the Big Dance, only to get killed by quick speedy guards from the bigger conferences. I remember vividly watching us take on a much quicker Oregon team in Sacramento in 2002, and while Scooter Christiansen was in the game, we could keep pace with them. But the minute he came out for a rest, Oregon would be in full control.

Today? No way. During the entire DeCurie coaching reign, I'd match our guards up against anybody--and the best is just ahead, next year, when two three-star guards join the team.

But bigs?

As I say, irony of ironies.

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Post by maroonandsilver » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:40 am

citay wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:31 pm
If we've all detected one weakness in this year's team, it is the lack of a polished post presence. Sure, basketball is changing, becoming more "positionless," yet the absence of a skilled big is killing us.

But if you look back on Montana basketball, solid post play has always been a hallmark of Montana teams: Krysko; Tinkle; Engellant; Trammel; Kemfert; Samuelson; Covill; McBride; Vanek; Strait; Hasquet; Rosser; Qvale; Selvig; Breunig; Krslovic. (And I've probably forgotten some good ones in there.)

How we could use any of those guys this year!

Meantime, for many years, Montana's weakness was its lack of quickness in the backcourt. We'd make it to the Big Dance, only to get killed by quick speedy guards from the bigger conferences. I remember vividly watching us take on a much quicker Oregon team in Sacramento in 2002, and while Scooter Christiansen was in the game, we could keep pace with them. But the minute he came out for a rest, Oregon would be in full control.

Today? No way. During the entire DeCurie coaching reign, I'd match our guards up against anybody--and the best is just ahead, next year, when two three-star guards join the team.

But bigs?

As I say, irony of ironies.
Well, we do have Michael Steadman next year.

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Re: Irony of Ironies.

Post by griznhel » Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:38 am

How could you forget McKenzie(sp). Gave UCLA fits + a few others. One of the best games I ever saw.

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Post by citay » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 am

griznhel wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:38 am
How could you forget McKenzie(sp). Gave UCLA fits + a few others. One of the best games I ever saw.
Agreed. Maybe the best game ever played by a Montana basketball team--certainly on the biggest stage against the most powerful opponent. And, yes, except for Krystkowiak, McKenzie may have been better than anybody else on my list.

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Post by Proud Griz Man » Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 pm

add a Derrick Pope

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Post by PlayerRep » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:17 pm

Akoh? 6'8"

Craig Larsen. Think he started about 75 games, but may not have had huge stats.

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Re: Irony of Ironies.

Post by fanofzoo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:16 pm

citay wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 am
griznhel wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:38 am
How could you forget McKenzie(sp). Gave UCLA fits + a few others. One of the best games I ever saw.
Agreed. Maybe the best game ever played by a Montana basketball team--certainly on the biggest stage against the most powerful opponent. And, yes, except for Krystkowiak, McKenzie may have been better than anybody else on my list.
Do you think there is a replay of that game somehow ?

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Post by Hoops watcher » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:23 pm

And pretty much all of them save a couple transfers like Breunig were projects whose game grew over time. They were not factors on O early in their careers with a couple exceptions. You have to be able to move your feet to play this defense and the recent big projects weren't able to do it. The demand for polished bigs with offensive skills out of high school is far greater than the supply. And at this point Missoula (or any Big Sky town) is not a preferred destination for individuals in this demographic.

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Post by Proud Griz Man » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:57 pm


Wooden's final season at the helm of the UCLA Bruins, Montana nearly knocked off the Bruins in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. After earning the program's first NCAA win with a victory over Utah State, Montana lost to UCLA 67-64. Erik Hays scored 32 points on 13-of-16 shooting with seven rebounds and six assists in the loss. UCLA went on to win its final NCAA Championship under Wooden, the program's 10th since 1964.
fanofzoo wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:16 pm
citay wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:43 am
griznhel wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:38 am
How could you forget McKenzie(sp). Gave UCLA fits + a few others. One of the best games I ever saw.
Agreed. Maybe the best game ever played by a Montana basketball team--certainly on the biggest stage against the most powerful opponent. And, yes, except for Krystkowiak, McKenzie may have been better than anybody else on my list.
Do you think there is a replay of that game somehow ?

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Post by grizindabox » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 pm

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57s
2H: 9:07 I The Cougs continue to keep their lead in the second half against the Vandals.

Tony Miller leads WSU with 13 pts!
SCORE: 60-41 WSU
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Post by Millhoop » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02 am

grizindabox wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 pm
SWXRightNow @SWXRightNow
57s
2H: 9:07 I The Cougs continue to keep their lead in the second half against the Vandals.

Tony Miller leads WSU with 13 pts!
SCORE: 60-41 WSU
18 points with NO plays run for him. Just getting started!! Would’ve done that plus some on a nightly basis in the big sky. Idaho coach said “love how that Miller kid plays” after the game. Travis cut off his nose to spite his face on this one.

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Post by grizindabox » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:59 am

Millhoop wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02 am
grizindabox wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 pm
SWXRightNow @SWXRightNow
57s
2H: 9:07 I The Cougs continue to keep their lead in the second half against the Vandals.

Tony Miller leads WSU with 13 pts!
SCORE: 60-41 WSU
18 points with NO plays run for him. Just getting started!! Would’ve done that plus some on a nightly basis in the big sky. Idaho coach said “love how that Miller kid plays” after the game. Travis cut off his nose to spite his face on this one.
Shit happens. For whatever reason, Miller wasn't buying in.
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Post by Millhoop » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:17 am

grizindabox wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:59 am
Millhoop wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02 am
grizindabox wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 pm
SWXRightNow @SWXRightNow
57s
2H: 9:07 I The Cougs continue to keep their lead in the second half against the Vandals.

Tony Miller leads WSU with 13 pts!
SCORE: 60-41 WSU
18 points with NO plays run for him. Just getting started!! Would’ve done that plus some on a nightly basis in the big sky. Idaho coach said “love how that Miller kid plays” after the game. Travis cut off his nose to spite his face on this one.
Shit happens. For whatever reason, Miller wasn't buying in.
Lol you shouldn’t speak on what you don’t know.

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Re: Irony of Ironies.

Post by grizindabox » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:36 am

Millhoop wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:17 am
grizindabox wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:59 am
Millhoop wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02 am
grizindabox wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:34 pm
SWXRightNow @SWXRightNow
57s
2H: 9:07 I The Cougs continue to keep their lead in the second half against the Vandals.

Tony Miller leads WSU with 13 pts!
SCORE: 60-41 WSU
18 points with NO plays run for him. Just getting started!! Would’ve done that plus some on a nightly basis in the big sky. Idaho coach said “love how that Miller kid plays” after the game. Travis cut off his nose to spite his face on this one.
Shit happens. For whatever reason, Miller wasn't buying in.
Lol you shouldn’t speak on what you don’t know.
I guess you want to say he was "buying in"?
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Post by AllWeatherFan » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:47 am

Just spitballing here, but maybe he meant that it was just ironic, but not necessarily the irony of ironies. Am I overthinking this?
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Re: Irony of Ironies.

Post by AllWeatherFan » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:53 am

Proud Griz Man wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 pm
add a Derrick Pope
Maybe a little bit of a stretch to call a 6'4.5" forward a "post player," but I have to add:

Maybe my greatest Griz memory of all time was listening to the radio broadcast of the game in Moscow when Pope broke the backboard with one of his thunder dunks, the game was delayed for an hour or so while they cleaned up the mess and installed a new backboard, and the Griz knocked off top-20-ranked Idaho on the road. Damn, he was fun to watch!
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Post by PlayerRep » Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:21 pm

AllWeatherFan wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:47 am
Just spitballing here, but maybe he meant that it was just ironic, but not necessarily the irony of ironies. Am I overthinking this?
I would like to see the plain English version of what was said/meant.

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Post by Proud Griz Man » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:58 pm

:clap: That is me - always Sssssssstretching things.
AllWeatherFan wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:53 am

Maybe a little bit of a stretch to call a 6'4.5" forward a "post player," but I have to add:

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Re: Irony of Ironies.

Post by Hoops watcher » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:17 pm

AllWeatherFan wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:53 am
Proud Griz Man wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:05 pm
add a Derrick Pope
Maybe a little bit of a stretch to call a 6'4.5" forward a "post player," but I have to add:

Maybe my greatest Griz memory of all time was listening to the radio broadcast of the game in Moscow when Pope broke the backboard with one of his thunder dunks, the game was delayed for an hour or so while they cleaned up the mess and installed a new backboard, and the Griz knocked off top-20-ranked Idaho on the road. Damn, he was fun to watch!
Carter-Hollinger reminds me of DP a little. He kind of gets into a semi crouch when gathering himself for his jumpshot like Pope did. I remember trying to emulate Walt Frazier in my high school hoops days and he shot like that as did Cazzie Russel. An old school motion, combo set/jump shot.

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