ResilientGriz
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He wants to rotate 3 centers.
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Who are new heavy's?
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mthoopsfan
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Got it. Good idea. Never can have enough good centers.
The roster limit is 105 after the Designated Student-Athlete Tags expire in 2029 (I think). If a tagged player leaves their tag goes away as well. There are 18 players who will completely exhaust their eligibility after the 2026 season and to this point there are 21 Freshmen who have been recruited for 2027, thus there are currently 3 players more in the recruiting class than we will graduate. We only have two players that will gain a 5th year in 2027 on the roster, Carter Bowen (OL) and Zekiel Seumalo (DL); if either or both want to stay for a 5th year, I don't see our staff getting rid of them as both will likely contribute this season. I almost guarantee we will have at least 3 players enter the portal (possibly even the two who gained the 5th year). I am guessing the 2027 recruits are fine. Our staff has to be very aware of what they have for available roster space.
I believe in what you are saying completely. These coaching decisions are not new, I had to make them when I was a college coach almost 20 years ago (Ugh). I doubt a player that wouldn't be kept for a 5th year would have made it past their 4th year as a scholarship athlete. There are cases where I feel that some players are eating up a spot on UMs roster, but usually we see them faze out (don't want to mention names for the sake of poking bears). In the past they were able to keep them, but going forward, that won't be likely.
Uhhhh...what?
I've seen teams rotate a couple spots and play up to 7 different guys on the OL, but 12?! You aren't finding 12 guys capable of starting on the OL at this level, or hardly any level tbh. That's one of the most unrealistic standards I've seen.
Maybe one of them will eventually get the shotgun snaps down.
HelenaHandBasket
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So no "specific" example.
ResilientGriz
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Keeps the QB on their toes.Maybe one of them will eventually get the shotgun snaps down.
Sure, but we were not talking specifically just at Montana.
Well, I am...not trying to be a d!ck...but we are on Egriz and the thread pertains to a question about UMs roster. Any actual examples that came in were related to UMs roster as far as I could tell.
Of course there is the possibility that it could cause trouble with other programs if they had multiple conventional (but not really conventional anymore) 4 year seniors that aquired a 5th season and coaches had recruited in excess of the number of outgoing players they have. I can't see coaches not being able to fix most problems without major issues. However, as stated by someone else, cutting has always been an option. It is sometimes harsh and unfortunate but a part of college athletics.
The 5 to play 5 rule obviously could have caused ripples and each program's situation is probably fairly unique to that program. An example would be Ivy League schools where players don't usually redshirt because they only have 4 years and are only granted additional years on very rare occasions.
I'm not trying to be a dick either. Tone is hard via text and the internet, but I assure you that is not at all my intent (and sorry if I came off that way). The person you originally responded to said there have been decommits at other schools, so it has been about more than just the Griz for a while and was talk about general recruiting.
I get that people keep talking about cutting players, but it doesn't work that way. Even if they get cut because another player was better, they still count as a scholarship for the year. So with the max number of scholarships, there will be less scholarships available this year for high school seniors than normal. Those cuts happen in the spring, not in fall camp.
The last thing I would say is that I agree with you that coaches will be able to fix the problem on their individual team. And the easiest, safest fix is to just keep your 5th year player that you know can be on the field for you, and not risk letting them go to bring in a development project.
As I mentioned to the other guy, that doesn't work as well in practice as it does in theory. Once the scholarship is locked in, it can't be taken away. And if you try to dangle it and say "we will give the scholarship to whoever wins the competition in camp," then you likely lose both the fifth year player and the high schooler.
oldngrizzly
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do you develop junior and seniors? Because looking at the roster there are some that may not even suit up least of all play.
oldngrizzly
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is it gonna be much longer?
100% on the cuts. I was a college coach. Most of the attrition that happens occurs in March through May. There are lots of situations that players control that determines whether they can return too. Graduation, retirement, flunking out, etc. Coaches make roster decisions after spring practice is concluded, they then go into player meetings and the good news/bad news conversations happen. No coach loves this time. Fewer happen than one would think, but they do occur.
I guess if I saw a team that was going through this, but I haven't found anything concrete or reputable. I have searched as hard as I can for even one example with a name, school, and program and have found nothing about scholarships being withdrawn from incoming freshmen. UM had over 20 recruits for 2026 and another 20 for 2027 signed prior to the 5 to play 5 participation rule taking affect in June and not one player has had a scholarship revoked yet. If anyone sees or hears of anything I would love to look into it.
As far as scholarship offers and whatnot, I also agree. They are usually taken care of prior to May. However, not every player at UM is on scholarship. FBS is a whole different world, but I think our conference rules only allow like 68 scholarships. We have many players who see significant time that don't get a full ride.
Which ones?
Yes. Players continue developing throughout even their professional career. Players do not stop improving after their sophomore or junior year.
The 2027 high school recruiting class will get 'screwed' by the NCAA's new five-for-five eligibility rule
College basketball's new five-for-five rule will create a situation where an overwhelming majority of players will opt into a fifth year and not leave the sport
www.cbssports.com
That is one article with current college coaches discussing not adding a top-50 player in the current class because of the rule change. It was the first article that popped up when I googled. I am sure there are more.
And, again, not trying to be a dick, but those players who are seeing significant time and stay for a fifth year are a roster spot not open to a high school player.
