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MSU Move to FBS

grizfnz said:
Using simple “financial engineering” and referencing the proposed 2027 athletic fees at both MUS Institutions, I was able to determine that the difference between 16,000 at $93 and 11,000 at $92, is a $476k difference……well shy of millions more. Maybe you’re thinking of a different msu, with a much larger student athletic fee.
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nO onE sAiD thEre WoUld bE mAthS.
 
2011BisonAlumni said:
The only thing shrinking in Bozeman is the number of kids visiting their campus and deciding to go play for the Griz instead.

It is a nicer town, with more programs designed for today’s economy and they have significant enrollment growth.

Pretty clear that they are on an upward trajectory that Montana isn’t matching.

UM clearly has fallen behind.
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Missoula is much better than Bozeman. I went to high school and junior high in Bozeman and my family is still there. Not even a close call.
 
2011BisonAlumni said:
The only thing shrinking in Bozeman is the number of kids visiting their campus and deciding to go play for the Griz instead.

It is a nicer town, with more programs designed for today’s economy and they have significant enrollment growth.

Pretty clear that they are on an upward trajectory that Montana isn’t matching.

UM clearly has fallen behind.
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Bozeman is the 3rd biggest shit hole I've been too in Montana, next to Billings and Great Falls.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Missoula is much better than Bozeman. I went to high school and junior high in Bozeman and my family is still there. Not even a close call.
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CDAGRIZ said:
Within the next 5-8 years, I see Bozeman shrinking to around 22k population and Fargo resembling Hamsterdam (more so than it presently does). All the markers are present for both things to happen. The football programs in each town will be afterthoughts.
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Would it upset you if MSU moved to the FBS and UM stayed in the FCS?
 
mthoopsfan said:
Missoula is much better than Bozeman. I went to high school and junior high in Bozeman and my family is still there. Not even a close call.
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Lmfao …okay

I’ve never seen a homeless person taking a shit on a sidewalk in broad daylight, in Bozeman, but I have in Missoula….

Since Covid, Missoula has gone to shit. Local economy sucks. Bozeman is ridiculously expensive but at least has some industry….Missoula has just became a drug infested shithole IMO…Mecca for homelessness

Sad
 
2011BisonAlumni said:
Lmfao …okay

I’ve never seen a homeless person taking a shit on a sidewalk in broad daylight, in Bozeman, but I have in Missoula….

Since Covid, Missoula has gone to shit. Local economy sucks. Bozeman is ridiculously expensive but at least has some industry….Missoula has just became a drug infested shithole IMO…Mecca for homelessness

Sad
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Not true or accurate. On Bozeman people live in their vehicles, right in town. Missoula has better support services.

But what I am saying is Missoula is a much better town. Homeless people is only one of many factors. Missoula has a better downtown. Better parks and quicker access to the outdoors. Bozeman has some nice restaurants but Missoula has better bars. Missoula has a real river running through it. Missoula has much more and better music. Missoula has less out of state fancy people per capital. My impression reason is Missoula has better healthcare. Missoula schools are strong. Missoula has better weather. Bozeman has better skiing. Missoula is close to a great lake.
 
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2011BisonAlumni said:
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Would it upset you if MSU moved to the FBS and UM stayed in the FCS?
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Great question. I don’t think so. It would be very interesting to see how an FBS team could operate in what Bozeman is set to become in the next 5-8 years. I picture scenes from the movie Idiocracy. I’m not sure why you’d doubt me on this. I predicted the Bizon QB busts with 100% accuracy.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Great question. I don’t think so. It would be very interesting to see how an FBS team could operate in what Bozeman is set to become in the next 5-8 years. I picture scenes from the movie Idiocracy. I’m not sure why you’d doubt me on this. I predicted the Bizon QB busts with 100% accuracy.
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No you didn’t . Carson Wentz was a pro bowler and MVP front runner. He got hurt.

A good comp would be Bert Jones who won an MVP at 25, got hurt and was out do the league at 31.

Shit happens but he was not a bust.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Not true or accurate. On Bozeman people live in their vehicles, right in town. Missoula has better support services.

But what I am saying is Missoula is a much better town. Homeless people is only one of many factors. Missoula has a better downtown. Better parks and quicker access to the outdoors. Bozeman has some nice restaurants but Missoula has better bars. Missoula has a real river running through it. Missoula has much more and better music. Missoula has less out of state fancy people per capital. My impression reason is Missoula has better healthcare. Missoula schools are strong. Missoula has better weather.
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How about jobs?

The homeless situation in Missoula is exponentially worse than Bozeman . Sure you have people living in their cars in Bozeman, but it isn’t the same situation as Missoula where it is flat out scary.

Those wonderful parks you refer to are filled with homeless people. Go take a walk at night and tell me if you feel safe.
 
2011BisonAlumni said:
How about jobs?

The homeless situation in Missoula is exponentially worse than Bozeman . Sure you have people living in their cars in Bozeman, but it isn’t the same situation as Missoula where it is flat out scary.

Those wonderful parks you refer to are filled with homeless people. Go take a walk at night and tell me if you feel safe.
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You overstate the homeless problem.

“In May 2026, the Bozeman metro area reported a 2.6% unemployment rate, while Missoula recorded a 2.7% jobless rate. Both remain highly competitive and tight local labor markets. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]” NSA. Federal Reserve. Do some research.

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3. The Rental Market Squeeze
  • Bozeman Rent: At $2,227 per month, renting in Bozeman tracks significantly above the national average of $1,965. This locks temporary, service-industry, and junior tech workers into long-term lease cycles that block them from saving for down payments. [1, 2]
  • Missoula Rent: At $1,550 per month, local rent tracks lower than the national average. However, the rental landscape remains highly competitive, with multi-bedroom units jumping over 11% year-over-year as university students and medical staff compete for limited apartment inventory. [, 2]” Free Press.

Again, Missoula is better in multiple other ways.
 
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2011BisonAlumni said:
No you didn’t . Carson Wentz was a pro bowler and MVP front runner. He got hurt.

A good comp would be Bert Jones who won an MVP at 25, got hurt and was out do the league at 31.

Shit happens but he was not a bust.
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Sure. Except, you know, Bert Jones actually won an MVP and was not a complete locker room cancer nor was he said to uncoachable by teammates and coaches.

I've tried not to feed the troll on this one, but as an Eagles fan I cannot accept someone trying to write some hagiography about Carson Wentz. The team was better with Nick Foles, and they should have gotten rid of Wentz sooner.
 
grizfnz said:
Using simple “financial engineering” and referencing the proposed 2027 athletic fees at both MUS Institutions, I was able to determine that the difference between 16,000 at $93 and 11,000 at $92, is a $476k difference……well shy of millions more. Maybe you’re thinking of a different msu, with a much larger student athletic fee.
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I appreciate the snark, but a few corrections.

1. Athletic fees are charged each semester.
2. Missoula/Gallatin College students aren't charged athletic fees, though they can choose to opt in

Based on Fall 2025, and taking out the 2-year college students, that would give us.

MSU: 16,095 x ($93 x 2 semesters) = $2,993,670
UM: 9,427 x ($92 x 2 Semesters) = $1,734,568

Difference of $1,259,102/year.

@2011BisonAlumni
 
wbtfg said:
I appreciate the snark, but a few corrections.

1. Athletic fees are charged each semester.
2. Missoula/Gallatin College students aren't charged athletic fees, though they can choose to opt in

Based on Fall 2025, and taking out the 2-year college students, that would give us.

MSU: 16,095 x ($93 x 2 semesters) = $2,993,670
UM: 9,427 x ($92 x 2 Semesters) = $1,734,568

Difference of $1,259,102/year.

@2011BisonAlumni
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The amounts shown in the Knights Commission report are a bit different, but they do show that MSU gets about $1.1 million more.
 
2011BisonAlumni said:
No you didn’t . Carson Wentz was a pro bowler and MVP front runner. He got hurt.

A good comp would be Bert Jones who won an MVP at 25, got hurt and was out do the league at 31.

Shit happens but he was not a bust.
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What do you mean he got hurt? He WAS hurt. Probably is right now. If not, history tells us he will be soon. He was a bust. Not as big as the worst first round pick in 49ers franchise history, but a bust is a bust. Sorry bout it.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Sure. Except, you know, Bert Jones actually won an MVP and was not a complete locker room cancer nor was he said to uncoachable by teammates and coaches.

I've tried not to feed the troll on this one, but as an Eagles fan I cannot accept someone trying to write some hagiography about Carson Wentz. The team was better with Nick Foles, and they should have gotten rid of Wentz sooner.
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Dude was absolutely insufferable. 🤮
 
mthoopsfan said:
The amounts shown in the Knights Commission report are a bit different, but they do show that MSU gets about $1.1 million more.
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For sure....I was just roughing out the numbers to show the gap was far larger than what was posted by the person I replied to. I'm sure there are a number of students who choose opt in and opt out from both schools.
 
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