Ut-Grizfan
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If you think we we would be better off playing and sticking around with Portland State, Northern Colorado and UT-Tech instead of Wyoming, Nevada and NDSU etc. I have ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you
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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?
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Not sure where to put this, so I’ll just put it here. Incoming President Shinn signed on to the list of College Athletics leaders that is supporting the Protect College Sports Act! Good job President Shinn!
Talk about boosting someone's board cred. Can you call me a clueless idiot also Jack?
GriznMN
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No. Increasing enrollment is the lifeblood of a public university.
However, some people get in the mindset of "We've already looked at that and it won't work here." or "That's not how we do things at Montana.".
That's why I'm excited by President Shinn.
mthoopsfan
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Yes, you are a clueless idiot, but not as bad as the other guy. Can you give us your name, or are you afraid to identify yourself?
mthoopsfan
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Name one person at UM who ever said or thought what you said in your second para.
Looking to stalk me too?
mthoopsfan
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No, you are the one who stalks me. You have for years.
yep. without Money games a big group of FCS go away or fall to D2
Maybe most FCS basketball teams should fall.to D2 where they have a realistic chance at winning a championships?
Hawaii has a brand new Stadium under construction btw so very poor comparison.
mthoopsfan
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Note App St's student fee revenues: "
Appalachian State University’s athletic department operating budget and total revenues hover right around $48 million to $52 million annually, based on recent NCAA financial disclosures and fiscal reports.
As a mid-major program competing in the Sun Belt Conference (FBS), App State relies heavily on student fees, donor contributions, and institutional support to balance its ledger.
Appalachian State University’s athletic department operating budget and total revenues hover right around $48 million to $52 million annually, based on recent NCAA financial disclosures and fiscal reports.
As a mid-major program competing in the Sun Belt Conference (FBS), App State relies heavily on student fees, donor contributions, and institutional support to balance its ledger.
Financial Overview (Fiscal Year 2024)
- Total Operating Revenues: ~$51,973,251
- Total Operating Expenses: ~$51,973,251
College Athletics Database
Where the Money Comes From (Revenues)
App State’s revenue structure relies significantly on internal university funding and student subsidization alongside self-generated athletic revenue:- Student Fees: $15.36 million (30%) — The single largest chunk of the athletic funding comes directly from mandatory student fees.
College Athletics Database
- Donor Contributions (Yosef Club): $11.12 million (21%) — Philanthropic giving and booster club revenue.
College Athletics Database
- Institutional & Government Support: $8.31 million (16%) — Direct funding allocations from the university.
College Athletics Database
- Ticket Sales: $6.99 million (13%) — Heavily driven by football gate receipts.
College Athletics Database
- Conference, NCAA Distributions & Media Rights: $3.82 million (7%) — App State’s slice of the Sun Belt's media deal and postseason payouts.
College Athletics Database
- Corporate Sponsorships & Licensing: $2.45 million (5%) — Brand partnerships, apparel agreements, and local advertising.
College Athletics Database
- Game Guarantees: $1.39 million (3%) — Payouts received for playing away games.
College Athletics Database
Where the Money Goes (Expenses)
The costs of maintaining 17 varsity sports are heavily concentrated in facilities, travel, and personnel:- Facilities, Debt Service, & Equipment: $15.21 million (29%) — Maintenance, stadium upgrades, and equipment.
College Athletics Database
- Coaching Compensation: $8.82 million (17%) — Salaries and benefits for all head and assistant coaches (led by football).
College Athletics Database
- Non-Coaching Staff Compensation: $7.75 million (15%) — Salaries for administrative, training, marketing, and support staff.
College Athletics Database
- Athletic Student Aid (Scholarships): $7.15 million (14%) — Funding tuition, room, and board for student-athletes.
College Athletics Database
- Game Expenses & Team Travel: $6.50 million (13%) — Flights, lodging, meals, and logistics for away contests.
College Athletics Database"
mthoopsfan
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What's your support for saying that? And are money games going away?
Sure PR.
If the P4 leave the NCAA and do their own thing then yes, money game will be gone
AZhoopsMTfootballfan
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Appalachian State University (The FBS Model)
Appalachian State competes in the Sun Belt Conference, which requires significant operational overhead to maintain FBS eligibility. Because FBS programs are more expensive to run, they often rely on a "subsidy model."
Student Fee Contribution: Recent data shows student fees account for approximately 30% of their total athletic budget. In dollar amounts, this often exceeds $15 million annually.
Strategic Reliance: Appalachian State uses these fees as a reliable, non-market-dependent revenue stream to ensure they can compete with larger programs. This is a common strategy for mid-major FBS schools that do not have the massive media payouts seen in power conferences.
University of Montana (The High-Engagement FCS Model)
The University of Montana operates differently. While they do have a mandatory student athletic fee, it is not the engine of their department. Instead, they rely on a highly localized, high-volume engagement model.
Student Fee Contribution: Student fees represent a small, supplementary portion of the budget. Unlike the FBS schools that rely on subsidies to bridge the gap, Montana’s revenue is heavily weighted toward "self-generated" income.
Strategic Reliance: The department’s financial strength is driven by a massive regional fan base. High-capacity football ticket sales and the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA) act as the primary financial pillars. By maximizing private donations and ticket revenue, the department keeps its reliance on student fees significantly lower than that of Appalachian State.
Key Takeaway
The disparity in funding structures is primarily a result of their scale and competitive environment:
1. Appalachian State is essentially "buying" its position in the FBS through a combination of student subsidies and institutional support to sustain the higher costs of that competitive level.
2. University of Montana thrives by maximizing the "Griz" brand, allowing them to fund their operations primarily through the loyalty of their donor base and the massive ticket-buying power of the Missoula community, rather than passing a heavy financial burden to the student body.
Note: Data for athletic departments is subject to annual fluctuations based on conference distributions, post-season play, and capital projects (like stadium renovations). Figures for student fee reliance are based on standard institutional reporting models.
Gemini
Appalachian State competes in the Sun Belt Conference, which requires significant operational overhead to maintain FBS eligibility. Because FBS programs are more expensive to run, they often rely on a "subsidy model."
Student Fee Contribution: Recent data shows student fees account for approximately 30% of their total athletic budget. In dollar amounts, this often exceeds $15 million annually.
Strategic Reliance: Appalachian State uses these fees as a reliable, non-market-dependent revenue stream to ensure they can compete with larger programs. This is a common strategy for mid-major FBS schools that do not have the massive media payouts seen in power conferences.
University of Montana (The High-Engagement FCS Model)
The University of Montana operates differently. While they do have a mandatory student athletic fee, it is not the engine of their department. Instead, they rely on a highly localized, high-volume engagement model.
Student Fee Contribution: Student fees represent a small, supplementary portion of the budget. Unlike the FBS schools that rely on subsidies to bridge the gap, Montana’s revenue is heavily weighted toward "self-generated" income.
Strategic Reliance: The department’s financial strength is driven by a massive regional fan base. High-capacity football ticket sales and the Grizzly Scholarship Association (GSA) act as the primary financial pillars. By maximizing private donations and ticket revenue, the department keeps its reliance on student fees significantly lower than that of Appalachian State.
Key Takeaway
The disparity in funding structures is primarily a result of their scale and competitive environment:
1. Appalachian State is essentially "buying" its position in the FBS through a combination of student subsidies and institutional support to sustain the higher costs of that competitive level.
2. University of Montana thrives by maximizing the "Griz" brand, allowing them to fund their operations primarily through the loyalty of their donor base and the massive ticket-buying power of the Missoula community, rather than passing a heavy financial burden to the student body.
Note: Data for athletic departments is subject to annual fluctuations based on conference distributions, post-season play, and capital projects (like stadium renovations). Figures for student fee reliance are based on standard institutional reporting models.
Gemini
mthoopsfan
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Says who?
Common sense and the big media money that will drive the spilt. FCS games don't cut it for them