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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?

mthoopsfan said:
G6 isn’t ever going to be FCS or anything close to it. What a dumb comment. Your second sentence will be addressed and some FCS teams are likely to be part of that discussion.
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The G6 is already worse than 1aa or what the FCS came from according to NFL scouts. There were 14 players drafted from G6 this year and 30 players were drafted from 1aa programs into the NFL 30 years ago in 1996.
 
5280Griz said:
The G6 is already worse than 1aa or what the FCS came from according to NFL scouts. There were 14 players drafted from G6 this year and 30 players were drafted from 1aa programs into the NFL 30 years ago in 1996.
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So what? Drafted players are not the measurement. Try revenues, attendance, and quality of play.
 
5280Griz said:
There is no hope because it isn’t going to happen. My thinking is the best opportunity to move up has already come and past. There is a place for the FCS but it doesn’t really fit the major schools and programs in a state. Montana and South Dakota are now the only states where their biggest college football programs are FCS. In most states the FBS programs are obsessed with out of state talent so unless you are a 4 or 5 star prospect you either have to leave the state or go FCS. Football at levels below the FCS is changing too. At the community college level many schools have already dropped football over the past decade.
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So you're in the hopeless camp with Helena. Your vote has been tallied.
 
5280Griz said:
There is no hope because it isn’t going to happen. My thinking is the best opportunity to move up has already come and past. There is a place for the FCS but it doesn’t really fit the major schools and programs in a state. Montana and South Dakota are now the only states where their biggest college football programs are FCS. In most states the FBS programs are obsessed with out of state talent so unless you are a 4 or 5 star prospect you either have to leave the state or go FCS. Football at levels below the FCS is changing too. At the community college level many schools have already dropped football over the past decade.
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What isn't going to happen?
 
mthoopsfan said:
What isn't going to happen?
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The G6 isn’t going to invite entire FCS conferences nor will the G6 product ever be the top tier of the sport, it is actively moving away from that. The only teams in the MWC that had over 90% attendance last season were Hawaii and NDSU which both have stadiums with capacity below WaGriz. The G6 is a dying product. Revenue overall is up but look at G6 revenue in proportion to P4 revenue and the gap is getting larger every year. The FCS is stable in my opinion compared to the G6 and the Griz have a realistic chance to compete for championships.
 
5280Griz said:
The G6 isn’t going to invite entire FCS conferences nor will the G6 product ever be the top tier of the sport, it is actively moving away from that. The only teams in the MWC that had over 90% attendance last season were Hawaii and NDSU which both have stadiums with capacity below WaGriz. The G6 is a dying product. Revenue overall is up but look at G6 revenue in proportion to P4 revenue and the gap is getting larger every year. The FCS is stable in my opinion compared to the G6 and the Griz have a realistic chance to compete for championships.
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Revenue going up and P4 taking more revenue doesn’t make G6 a dying product.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Revenue going up and P4 taking more revenue doesn’t make G6 a dying product.
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The G6 is a dying product because there is a need for P4 football as well as FCS but I am not sure where G6 fits into that. You are sacrificing home playoff games for meaningless bowl games by leaving the FCS for the G6. If it is unlikely that someone will go from G6 or FCS to the NFL and the majority of the Griz opponents will be at less than 75% capacity in either league what real benefit is there to moving up? The downside is you are leaving the stability of the FCS. Programs like Northern Arizona and Northern Colorado are built around developing local players that the FBS schools in their state didn’t recruit. There will always be a need for those types of programs. You are also leaving behind the home playoff games.
 
5280Griz said:
The G6 is a dying product because there is a need for P4 football as well as FCS but I am not sure where G6 fits into that. You are sacrificing home playoff games for meaningless bowl games by leaving the FCS for the G6. If it is unlikely that someone will go from G6 or FCS to the NFL and the majority of the Griz opponents will be at less than 75% capacity in either league what real benefit is there to moving up? The downside is you are leaving the stability of the FCS. Programs like Northern Arizona and Northern Colorado are built around developing local players that the FBS schools in their state didn’t recruit. There will always be a need for those types of programs. You are also leaving behind the home playoff games.
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This is just coocoo looneybird logic.

The vast majority of G6 football teams are infinitely better positioned to survive any P4 split than the majority of FCS programs that generate less and lose more money each year. Outside of the top programs, there is no stability in FCS.

Acting like App State is in danger of folding its football program, but Portland State isn't is just insane levels of delusion.
 
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