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Joining the Mountain West would run an $8MM - $9MM annual deficit - can we overcome that?

Wolf777 said:
Hypothetically, what if NDSU finishes at or near the top of the conference? Does that change the right opinions. Same if they finish at or near the bottom?
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The only thing that would change opinions is if NDSU wins atleast one game in the CFP. Winning the conference and being one and done won’t be an improvement over winning FCS championships.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I am not a politician and don’t lie on egriz. And you can’t point out a single lie. Now you? You lie, are a fraud, and are dishonest. Are you warring your hoops jersey now?

34% in Congress are lawyers.
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You have no idea who I am...and when you lied about me posting something about your friend Buddy I challenged you to prove it. When you got caught in that lie you predictably lied about the lie and claimed I must have deleted the post. I have never deleted a post and the moderators of this site who you claim are your friends can easily check and see that I'm telling the truth.
You originally claimed that you NEVER lie...now you are saying you don't lie on egriz.
Neither statement is true, Jack.
 
MontanaGrizSoccer said:
Disagree, will be fun to watch. I think UNLV, Hawaii and Wyoming are better.
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Ill give you UNLV and i wouldve agreed with New Mexico maybe. Pump the brakes on Hawaii, they had one good year, granted the MWC wont be nearly as competitive. Its a definite no on Wyoming though. Agreed though, gonna be fun to watch NDSU do what we've been hoping to do for years.
 
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5280Griz said:
Y’all are too low on New Mexico. New Mexico is #1, UNLV #2, NDSU #3 Hawaii is overrated.
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Be intresting to see if Timmy can replicate the success from last year. He's got a good QB and with the right personnel in that system, they're gonna score a lot of points. Defensive front seven sounds like its gonna be stout.
 
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CDAGRIZ said:
You touched on something I read about recently (can't remember where). It was about how geographic isolation in high achieving youth can sometimes lead to issues where one's identity can get tied so closely to high achievement that one may be more hesitant to test oneself on a broader scale because the risk of failure can inherently risk a greater portion of that person's identity.

The example is like if a kid is used to always being the "smart one" in his corner of the world, he may not grow up with as much exposure not only to those smarter than him, but also the failure/retrial cycles of development in himself or others. So, he may be subconsciously more hesitant to take the risks necessary to test himself by maybe attending a prestigious college (for example) lest he find out he isn't as smart as he thought when the scale is larger. He'd no longer the "smart one". He'd just be "normal" on that scale. Such "failure" could threaten more of his identity than it might for another person who has had more exposure to such "failure" and thus doesn't tie it as closely with his/her identity. Instead, they view it as a normal occurrence.

Whether or not I agree with what you're saying, it's a related theory. Competing for an FCS Championship is a huge part of our program's identity. If that is replaced with being a solid program that can "only" aspire to conference championships and bowl games in a bigger, better pool, it threatens that identity. Accordingly, many would rather be the 50th or 75th best CFB team but have the banner than risk being "normal" in the better pool.
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Sounds like it's written by people with a vested interest in maintaining a narrative. Last two years of high school went from a rural town (10,000) on scholarship to a boarding school in NJ that has the same tuition as Harvard today. Finished 38th in a class of 176, top destination for grads was Harvard with 20 of my class mates. There were a few genius types, perfect SAT's, fathers taught physics at Princeton. The typical "smart" kid at the elite boarding school besides the few outliers was no more immune to failure than any of the "smart" kids from my smaller town. Exposure to a more diverse environment sure, more curiousity about that environment than my sheltered midwest peers, nope. Analogy fail.

That said I'd like to see UM compete with the MW schools rather than PSU and Greelyville but until the mess that is FBS gambling parlor/football gets sorted out not going to lose any sleep over it.
 
Hoops watcher said:
Sounds like it's written by people with a vested interest in maintaining a narrative. Last two years of high school went from a rural town (10,000) on scholarship to a boarding school in NJ that has the same tuition as Harvard today. Finished 38th in a class of 176, top destination for grads was Harvard with 20 of my class mates. There were a few genius types, perfect SAT's, fathers taught physics at Princeton. The typical "smart" kid at the elite boarding school besides the few outliers was no more immune to failure than any of the "smart" kids from my smaller town. Exposure to a more diverse environment sure, more curiousity about that environment than my sheltered midwest peers, nope. Analogy fail.

That said I'd like to see UM compete with the MW schools rather than PSU and Greelyville but until the mess that is FBS gambling parlor/football gets sorted out not going to lose any sleep over it.
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I thought so, too, because I could provide similar counter examples. On the other hand, it was very careful to use words like “can” and “might” instead of “does” or “will”. That’s why I found it interesting.🤷‍♂️
 
CDAGRIZ said:
You touched on something I read about recently (can't remember where). It was about how geographic isolation in high achieving youth can sometimes lead to issues where one's identity can get tied so closely to high achievement that one may be more hesitant to test oneself on a broader scale because the risk of failure can inherently risk a greater portion of that person's identity.

The example is like if a kid is used to always being the "smart one" in his corner of the world, he may not grow up with as much exposure not only to those smarter than him, but also the failure/retrial cycles of development in himself or others. So, he may be subconsciously more hesitant to take the risks necessary to test himself by maybe attending a prestigious college (for example) lest he find out he isn't as smart as he thought when the scale is larger. He'd no longer the "smart one". He'd just be "normal" on that scale. Such "failure" could threaten more of his identity than it might for another person who has had more exposure to such "failure" and thus doesn't tie it as closely with his/her identity. Instead, they view it as a normal occurrence.

Whether or not I agree with what you're saying, it's a related theory. Competing for an FCS Championship is a huge part of our program's identity. If that is replaced with being a solid program that can "only" aspire to conference championships and bowl games in a bigger, better pool, it threatens that identity. Accordingly, many would rather be the 50th or 75th best CFB team but have the banner than risk being "normal" in the better pool.
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This reminds of the show “The Real Bros of Simi Valley”. About a group of 20 somethings that peaked in high school and never want to leave their hometown of Simi Valley California.
 
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