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mthoopsfan said:
It is very difficult to play all FCS, because there just aren't enough teams available when UM has open dates. That's one of the reasons UM has to fill in with D2's.

And, FCS schools cost more money than D2 schools. This happens for 2 reasons. FCS schools demand higher game fees than D2's. Or, they demand home and home series. A home and home series reduces the number of games in Missoula, which reduces the revenue from home game tickets sales, etc.

FCS schools are farther away from Missoula and the cost of the charter is expensive. Many D2 schools bus to Missoula.

In some cases, UM may charge more per ticket for an FCS game than for a D2, but I'm not sure that is often the case. I haven't looked at ticket price comparisons in the last decade or so, so I don't know. Maybe someone else knows. I suppose an extra $10 per ticket brings in about 20,000 tickets sold times $10. So that would be about $200,000. I would guess that FCS one-game fees plus the cost of the charter would be more than $200,000 but don't know.

I think you are underestimating how much D2 games, with the teams coming by bus, and have lower game fees, save UM.
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Not underestimating anything. I don't like D2 games no matter the cost difference.
 
A fun little thought experiment: Would we have gotten the #2 seed last year over the neighbors with the exact same outcome in every other game if we had blown out, say, Valparaiso at home instead of Central Washington?
 
uofmman1122 said:
A fun little thought experiment: Would we have gotten the #2 seed last year over the neighbors with the exact same outcome in every other game if we had blown out, say, Valparaiso at home instead of Central Washington?
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Of course not. The Cats were going to get the 2 seed after they beat UM, and the Cats deserved the 2 seed.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Of course not. The Cats were going to get the 2 seed after they beat UM, and the Cats deserved the 2 seed.
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Oh weird, so it wouldn't have made a difference? That's crazy. I've been told playing a full FCS schedule without a D2 team on it would maximize our seeding chances in these situations.
 
The main point of scheduling is to have fun and make friends along the way. These are STUDENT athletes who need to commit to remaining at UM as amateurs for the full four years like a pro athlete contract with no money involved like it was before we had lights and Engstrom ran the 3-3-5 into beer in the stadium because we couldn’t move up to play in the Toilet Bowl (get it?) because Bobby.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
It has been posted over and over that the highest priority is Championship, so why would you not schedule accordingly based on some other priorities that are secondary? Did scheduling Oregon hurt them, no, but what if the Griz win the Brawl, then yes. Reality, how much does the SOS really hurt a BSC team when it comes to playoffs? Pretty much zero as it boils down to W/L record and a BSC team almost always gets the benefit of the doubt. And sure, they beat UW last time they played, but how did that season play out?
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Money is important
 
uofmman1122 said:
Oh weird, so it wouldn't have made a difference? That's crazy. I've been told playing a full FCS schedule without a D2 team on it would maximize our seeding chances in these situations.
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Literally a rule change going forward that's being implemented starting this year, so no kidding it doesn't effect this past season.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Literally a rule change going forward that's being implemented starting this year, so no kidding it doesn't effect this past season.
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So you're saying had this new rule been there last season, we would be awarded the #2 seed over MSU if we had played Valparaiso instead of CWU?
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Only if you ignore the fact it would if/when we end up being a bubble Playoff team
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It's pretty silly to make whole scheduling decisions on this particular hypothetical when
1. You consider your program a top 3 FCS program where this should never even be an issue,
2. The alternatives end up being one less home game where you lose money, and
3. Every single time we've gone to the championship since the early 2000's, we've played a D2 team that season (UNC was transitional D2 in 2004).
To me, there is no real difference at all between a home game against Central Washington and Valparaiso where everyone leaves by the 3rd quarter, even if there's some committee rule that says there is, but there's a huge difference between a home game against CWU and a road game against name-a-shitty-western-fcs-team.

We should always try to find an FCS team to play, but in the situations where it doesn't make much sense, or we're losing money, we're not gonna realistically be hurt by scheduling a D2 team.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's pretty silly to make whole scheduling decisions on this particular hypothetical when
1. You consider your program a top 3 FCS program where this should never even be an issue,
2. The alternatives end up being one less home game where you lose money, and
3. Every single time we've gone to the championship since the early 2000's, we've played a D2 team that season (UNC was transitional D2 in 2004).
To me, there is no real difference at all between a home game against Central Washington and Valparaiso where everyone leaves by the 3rd quarter, even if there's some committee rule that says there is, but there's a huge difference between a home game against CWU and a road game against name-a-shitty-western-fcs-team.

We should always try to find an FCS team to play, but in the situations where it doesn't make much sense, or we're losing money, we're not gonna realistically be hurt by scheduling a D2 team.
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Not sure anyone suggested playing fewer home games. And even though there might not be any difference on the field between CWU and Valpo, it would matter when be evaluated by the playoff selection committee. Also, if the difference between paying Valpo and paying CWU is a big deal, then the University has bigger issues.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Not sure anyone suggested playing fewer home games. And even though there might not be any difference on the field between CWU and Valpo, it would matter when be evaluated by the playoff selection committee. Also, if the difference between paying Valpo and paying CWU is a big deal, then the University has bigger issues.
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Right, we're all here arguing about various hypotheticals that ultimately don't and shouldn't matter to a team like Montana.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Not sure anyone suggested playing fewer home games. And even though there might not be any difference on the field between CWU and Valpo, it would matter when be evaluated by the playoff selection committee. Also, if the difference between paying Valpo and paying CWU is a big deal, then the University has bigger issues.
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The new rule doesn't come into play until you are a bubble team, does it? You are overstating the importance. I'm not sure the difference, had it been in place for the whole history of the playoffs, would have made a difference. You appear to be exaggerating to further your position of not playing D2's. I assume that playing Ferris would be of a benefit in seeding as opposed to playing Valpo.
 
mthoopsfan said:
The new rule doesn't come into play until you are a bubble team, does it? You are overstating the importance. I'm not sure the difference, had it been in place for the whole history of the playoffs, would have made a difference. You appear to be exaggerating to further your position of not playing D2's. I assume that playing Ferris would be of a benefit in seeding as opposed to playing Valpo.
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Not what the wording says. “The committee will give more consideration to teams that have played all Division I opponents and/or a greater number of Division I games”.

mthoopsfan said:
The new rule doesn't come into play until you are a bubble team, does it? You are overstating the importance. I'm not sure the difference, had it been in place for the whole history of the playoffs, would have made a difference. You appear to be exaggerating to further your position of not playing D2's. I assume that playing Ferris would be of a benefit in seeding as opposed to playing Valpo.
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You would assume wrong. FCS>D2
 
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