One person's view of a split off from NCAA

[mthoopsfan]

This is what needs to take place for a break/split off.

Only way it works is if P4 breaks away totally from the NCAA, uses NFL as a model, and has its own executive team with real authority whose only purpose is to do what’s best for the group as a whole. Salary caps, collective bargaining, real contracts with real transparency. And they become the PCAA, the Professional Collegiate Athletic Association, and have their own playoff system for the PCAA National Championship.

The best chances of it happening is when a major television contract comes up, and somebody has enough brains and leadership to say we’re going to represent all four powerful conferences instead of just their own.

They would have to do this, at least in beginning, one sport at a time. So they would begin with the one that already has the most freedom from the NCAA and by far the most money: P4 football.

Then probably G5 FB. Then probably P4 MBB.

If the rest of the schools can stay part of the NCAA, money is still available. But not nearly as much as there is now.

If a player is good enough to get paid real money, he needs to get recruited by and play in the PCAA.

[This was pieced together, so may not be quite right or clear]

 

[mthoopsfan]

Jeez, I give you current info from a big time insider, and no one says a word. Huh.

 

[Hoops watcher]

Link?

 

[GriznMN]

Jeez, I give you current info from a big time insider, and no one says a word. Huh.

I'm not sure if this is one of your posts with fake information or not and I don't have enough interest or knowledge to know.

It's an interesting idea if it's real and possible.

What would happen to FCS if it occurs?

 

[Hoops watcher]

Jeez, I give you current info from a big ti

Jeez, I give you current info from a big time insider, and no one says a word. Huh.

me insider, and no one says a word. Huh.

This is what needs to take place for a break/split off.

Only way it works is if P4 breaks away totally from the NCAA, uses NFL as a model, and has its own executive team with real authority whose only purpose is to do what’s best for the group as a whole. Salary caps, collective bargaining, real contracts with real transparency. And they become the PCAA, the Professional Collegiate Athletic Association, and have their own playoff system for the PCAA National Championship.

The best chances of it happening is when a major television contract comes up, and somebody has enough brains and leadership to say we’re going to represent all four powerful conferences instead of just their own.

They would have to do this, at least in beginning, one sport at a time. So they would begin with the one that already has the most freedom from the NCAA and by far the most money: P4 football.

Then probably G5 FB. Then probably P4 MBB.

If the rest of the schools can stay part of the NCAA, money is still available. But not nearly as much as there is now.

If a player is good enough to get paid real money, he needs to get recruited by and play in the PCAA.

[This was pieced together, so may not be quite right or clear]

I've felt for 10 years this is where the Big Dogs end up. Biggest questions are who and how many make the cut. It will show us who the real power brokers are. Because if it ended up as an NFL number of teams in the top level Indiana is probably not in it.

 

[Hoops watcher]

If 32 who makes it in non SEC or BIG? And who do they boot out of the SEC/BIG?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Link?

No link. I know the guy and we text, email and talk. He was asked to be the last NCAA executive director.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I'm not sure if this is one of your posts with fake information or not and I don't have enough interest or knowledge to know.

It's an interesting idea if it's real and possible.

What would happen to FCS if it occurs?

Don't recall any of my posts having fake information. Feel free to point them out.

 

[Trash Can]

This is what needs to take place for a break/split off.

Only way it works is if P4 breaks away totally from the NCAA, uses NFL as a model, and has its own executive team with real authority whose only purpose is to do what’s best for the group as a whole. Salary caps, collective bargaining, real contracts with real transparency. And they become the PCAA, the Professional Collegiate Athletic Association, and have their own playoff system for the PCAA National Championship.

The best chances of it happening is when a major television contract comes up, and somebody has enough brains and leadership to say we’re going to represent all four powerful conferences instead of just their own.

They would have to do this, at least in beginning, one sport at a time. So they would begin with the one that already has the most freedom from the NCAA and by far the most money: P4 football.

Then probably G5 FB. Then probably P4 MBB.

If the rest of the schools can stay part of the NCAA, money is still available. But not nearly as much as there is now.

If a player is good enough to get paid real money, he needs to get recruited by and play in the PCAA.

[This was pieced together, so may not be quite right or clear]

And I think this will be driven by private equity leading to essentially the privatization of athletics. If you want to be in the P4, you have to buy into the privatization. It is kind of fascinating and yet depressing to think about.

 

[putter]

Also, there is no guarantee that the G5 will want to expand. If that group gets their own Championship there may be some money there to make it marketable. I am wondering if some programs want to move up now to just get their foot in the door before the split.

 

[RABIDAWG]

Seems like the NCAA has totally screwed the pooch! What a sad state for football’s future.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Also, there is no guarantee that the G5 will want to expand. If that group gets their own Championship there may be some money there to make it marketable. I am wondering if some programs want to move up now to just get their foot in the door before the split.

All of G5 may not be included. Some of those schools and conferences are weak. My friend seemed to indicate that remaining money for G5 might not be that good.

In bigtime programs, does it seem that the large money pots are (a) strength of program in terms of tickets, cost attendance, gear, etc, (b) tv-media and (c) what can raised from alums, supporters, sponsorship, etc. I suppose sponsorships could be in (a). Not sure about the magnitude of student athletic fees at big programs. State funds must go mainly or all to academics at schools with big athletic programs, but I don’t know.

 

[GrizTexas]

All of G5 may not be included. Some of those schools and conferences are weak. My friend seemed to indicate that remaining money for G5 might not be that good.

In bigtime programs, does it seem that the large money pots are (a) strength of program in terms of tickets, cost attendance, gear, etc, (b) tv-media and (c) what can raised from alums, supporters, sponsorship, etc. I suppose sponsorships could be in (a). Not sure about the magnitude of student athletic fees at big programs. State funds must go mainly or all to academics at schools with big athletic programs, but I don’t know.

I'm guessing that if the big boys square off and form a professional organization of some type that all state funds and student activity fee contributions will then go away. In the big picture this probably won't matter to the teams given the size of the media contract. On anther note, gotta wonder how the NFL would react to another professional football organization especially in markets where there is an overlap?

 

[kemajic]

I'm guessing that if the big boys square off and form a professional organization of some type that all state funds and student activity fee contributions will then go away. In the big picture this probably won't matter to the teams given the size of the media contract. On anther note, gotta wonder how the NFL would react to another professional football organization especially in markets where there is an overlap?

No different than the relationship between MLB and AAA MiLB.

 

[behappp]

This is what needs to take place for a break/split off.

Only way it works is if P4 breaks away totally from the NCAA, uses NFL as a model, and has its own executive team with real authority whose only purpose is to do what’s best for the group as a whole. Salary caps, collective bargaining, real contracts with real transparency. And they become the PCAA, the Professional Collegiate Athletic Association, and have their own playoff system for the PCAA National Championship.

The best chances of it happening is when a major television contract comes up, and somebody has enough brains and leadership to say we’re going to represent all four powerful conferences instead of just their own.

They would have to do this, at least in beginning, one sport at a time. So they would begin with the one that already has the most freedom from the NCAA and by far the most money: P4 football.

Then probably G5 FB. Then probably P4 MBB.

If the rest of the schools can stay part of the NCAA, money is still available. But not nearly as much as there is now.

If a player is good enough to get paid real money, he needs to get recruited by and play in the PCAA.

[This was pieced together, so may not be quite right or clear]

This makes total sense to me as the way big $ college football is going
Pay players and make the teams play by agreed upon rules established in collective bargaining.
It's a huge business. Now act like it.

 

[p8nted]

Also, there is no guarantee that the G5 will want to expand. If that group gets their own Championship there may be some money there to make it marketable. I am wondering if some programs want to move up now to just get their foot in the door before the split.

Yep. $$ will be limited and any expansion will cost the current members mooney

 

[p8nted]

This is what needs to take place for a break/split off.

Only way it works is if P4 breaks away totally from the NCAA, uses NFL as a model, and has its own executive team with real authority whose only purpose is to do what’s best for the group as a whole. Salary caps, collective bargaining, real contracts with real transparency. And they become the PCAA, the Professional Collegiate Athletic Association, and have their own playoff system for the PCAA National Championship.

The best chances of it happening is when a major television contract comes up, and somebody has enough brains and leadership to say we’re going to represent all four powerful conferences instead of just their own.

They would have to do this, at least in beginning, one sport at a time. So they would begin with the one that already has the most freedom from the NCAA and by far the most money: P4 football.

Then probably G5 FB. Then probably P4 MBB.

If the rest of the schools can stay part of the NCAA, money is still available. But not nearly as much as there is now.

If a player is good enough to get paid real money, he needs to get recruited by and play in the PCAA.

[This was pieced together, so may not be quite right or clear]

NCAA basketball tournament $$ funds the FCS playoffs. Can it cpntiinue with that source of funds. Teams already lose money by being in the playoffs. Illinois State AD reported a 6 figure loss to participate

 

[mthoopsfan]

NCAA basketball tournament $$ funds the FCS playoffs. Can it cpntiinue with that source of funds. Teams already lose money by being in the playoffs. Illinois State AD reported a 6 figure loss to participate

Good point. I wouldn't call it a "loss". To me, it an expense. The FCS teams take extra people to the championship game. The Grizzlies have always done that. And 6 figures may only be a bit over $100,000. Don't know if the Ill St guy said more. I assume going to going to a bowl game can eat into the relatively small amounts paid by the lesser bowls too.

 

[The_Real_Chief]

I'm not sure if this is one of your posts with fake information or not and I don't have enough interest or knowledge to know.

It's an interesting idea if it's real and possible.

What would happen to FCS if it occurs?

His barber shared his thoughts on the matter, maybe his buddies son in California we'll never really know

 

[406football]

A P4 breakaway is going to happen. The revenue gap is just too big at this point; the Power leagues are pulling in massively more money than everyone else, and that’s what keeps pushing this toward a split.

The big hang‑up is the TV contracts. Those deals tie the conferences to the current setup, and nobody can just walk away without lawyers and networks tearing up the whole structure. The P4 is already moving toward its own governance model, so the desire is clearly there.

To me, this happens when the next major media deal comes up and a network decides it wants one unified contract instead of four separate ones. That’s the moment it becomes real.

I have a question:
What happens with antitrust? A fully unified, NFL style P4 league suddenly starts looking a lot like a monopoly. Does Congress step in, or does the P4 get some kind of legal protection?

That might end up being one of the biggest hurdles or the cleanest pathway, depending on how it’s handled.