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mthoopsfan said:
His argument is that saying "Did you enjoy the 13 wins?" "implies" that I attributed the 13 wins all to the D. I don't know how that guy can get through a day of life, unless he has a very simple life.
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Yup, as soon as i seen his D comment, my first thought was "PR didn't say that, time for a debate😁".
 
Norsky19 said:
Not enough pressure on QB's. Give a quarterback time and he'll find someone open even if there are 10 DB's out there. Against the run, the DC made great line stunts and the LB's are exceptional in that regard. Personnel.
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Not enough pressure on the QB? They were second in conference for sacks. They were great at pressuring the QB. LB stunts are your reasoning as to why the defense was effective against the run? Puhlease!

IMHO Haucks 3-3-5 has never been the problem or a weakness for the griz. The notion that if you just trot out more 300# linemen, a championship caliber defense will emerge is just wrong. The far bigger variable is keeping players in the system to develop. If you bring in 11 new defensive players every year, it's going to be tough to have a top flight defense in any league.
 
The 3-3-5 is a defensive scheme that attacks the offense at different angles and with different personnel so it tends to make big plays while also giving up big plays.

The biggest advantage to the 3-3-5 is that not many teams run the defense so it's hard to game plan against it. Also most coaches don't know how to coach it so it's harder to have a scout team run it correctly.

The biggest disadvantage of the 4-2-5 is that so many teams run it that it's easier to game plan for it from week to week.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Not enough pressure on the QB? They were second in conference for sacks. They were great at pressuring the QB. LB stunts are your reasoning as to why the defense was effective against the run? Puhlease!

IMHO Haucks 3-3-5 has never been the problem or a weakness for the griz. The notion that if you just trot out more 300# linemen, a championship caliber defense will emerge is just wrong. The far bigger variable is keeping players in the system to develop. If you bring in 11 new defensive players every year, it's going to be tough to have a top flight defense in any league
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I agree we were pretty good at pressuring the qb, however the need to bring 5 or 6 players to get that pressure is a reason we had so many 3rd and long passes converted. Montana St was 3rd in sacks and while they did at times bring an extra guy they did it primarily with their front 4.
I also agree that just trotting out more 300 pound d linemen isn’t going to make the defense automatically better. As with ANY defense, the right personnel need more than just size. That said, if sanders plans on running the defense he ran at EWU he’s going to have to get some bigger bodies. Also, physics is a thing and a bigger body is harder to push around than a smaller one. And there were times when our d line got absolutely man handled last year and the year before and basically all but 2 years of Hauck 2.0
Finally any defense that is designed to cause chaos for opposing offenses but requires a covid years worth of player development to teach in order to be national championship caliber so and not cause chaos among the defensive players probably isn’t going to work in this portal era of 1 and 2 year players.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Nope. But I saw what happened. Griz lost contain. Dowler made a nice adjustment. Our starting safety had been tossed on a bad targeting call. 2 db’s ran into each other. It had nothing to do with the 3-3-5. Did you play college db like I did?
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Thank you Hoops. Flat-assed shut him down. Good explanation. (y)
 
mthoopsfan said:
How about 2021 and 2023? How about beating 4 MV teams? Yes, Tommy Mellot. He didn’t run straight at us. You are a cherry picker.
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Fair, 2021 and 2023 were good results against the Cats, no argument there. But we're talking about a scheme's viability over time, not its best days. Three of the last four matchups the Cats rushed for 241, 326, and 439 yards respectively against it. You don't get to point to the wins and ignore the blowouts. Cherry picking works both ways.
 
The_Real_Chief said:
Fair, 2021 and 2023 were good results against the Cats, no argument there. But we're talking about a scheme's viability over time, not its best days. Three of the last four matchups the Cats rushed for 241, 326, and 439 yards respectively against it. You don't get to point to the wins and ignore the blowouts. Cherry picking works both ways.
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Tommy Mellot is gone. You need to look deeper. And my reference to 2021 and 2023 was in response to posters saying the 3-3-5 can stop the run, or stop the Cat running game, or beat the Cats. I agree on things working both ways, so you need to judge the D by all games, not just the Cats.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
Not enough pressure on the QB? They were second in conference for sacks. They were great at pressuring the QB. LB stunts are your reasoning as to why the defense was effective against the run? Puhlease!

IMHO Haucks 3-3-5 has never been the problem or a weakness for the griz. The notion that if you just trot out more 300# linemen, a championship caliber defense will emerge is just wrong. The far bigger variable is keeping players in the system to develop. If you bring in 11 new defensive players every year, it's going to be tough to have a top flight defense in any league.
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Which is all the more reason to shut can the 3-3-5…..Hauck missed the boat recruiting the last 3 years and as a result had to rely solely on the portal.
 
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