NDSU is gone

[VandalPride97]

Playoffs don't usually sell out because season tickets holders have to purchase the playoff tickets, the earliest round game is at Thanksgiving, the weather is getting much colder, the driving conditions can be bad, it's harder for out of towners to get to Friday night games, it's hunting season, people are moving into holiday season, etc. UM still gets a very large attendance for almost all playoff games. The attendance tends to rise as the playoffs go on and the games get tougher.

You must not attend many playoff games.

Its always warm in the kibbie dome and we have booze, food and banter for any Griz that comes along.

 

[5280Griz]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would much rather watch Montana play in the MWC. The travel alone is reason enough for me.

Hawaii? Yes please and a little longboarding and Loco Moco to go with it.
UNLV? Uh yes... Fremont here I come!
UTEP? Great Mexican food.
UN-R? Why not hit Lake Tahoe.
Air Force? I can hit the BX while I'm there.
Not interested in the rest of the MWC.

The PAC12? First of all, Montana WAS in the PAC for 26 years. Better games for sure, but not as great for traveling. Really, who wants to go to Boise, Fresno, Corvallis, Fort Collins, Logan? No thanks.

All the western conferences including the Big Sky have interesting travel destinations in my opinion. Who doesn’t want to go to Flagstaff and the Grand Canyon? Utah Tech is next to Zion National Park. Weber State and the greater SLC area is very accessible and interesting enough to visit.

 

[VandalPride97]

NCAA FB has four champions in descending order of quality. It should be:

FBS=DI
FCS=DII
DII=DIII
DIII-DIV

As for the 'P4 and everybody else' thing, I agree that it can seem that way in some form or fashion, but the fact that JMU had a greater than zero percent chance to win it all means they belong in the same division. Same with UM's bball programs if they make the tournament. Very unlikely, but statistically possible.

If the only thing "Division I" about a CFB team is the championship its basketball team can play for, what are we doing?

JMU had a greater than zero percent to win it all? OK, I have a non-zero chance at banging Olivia Dunne. Same odds.

 

[5280Griz]

Idaho is the prime example of how to not move up to the FBS. They failed for structural reasons which NDSU will not face. Sacramento State on the other hand seems dead set on going the Idaho route of not having a strong conference home and lagging facilities.

 

[mthoopsfan]

There's a reason it didn't happen in 2012 when the shoe was on the other foot. And to act like UM is just gonna continue in a negative direction seems pretty far fetched IMO. Things are gonna get turned around at UM, likely as soon as next year as application numbers are looking very good. With an aggressive new president, UM could turn things around in a hurry. Plus I don't think msu will ever get to 20k enrollment, and if they do it won't be within the next 5 years. They've pretty much hit critical mass with their campus infrastructure/housing. They'd have to add 3k students in the next five years and with the challenges higher education is facing nationwide, it would take a major anomaly for them to pull that off. And I also don't think Tessman (so far) is the go getter that Cruzado was.

What do you think happened in 2012?

 

[VandalPride97]

Idaho is the prime example of how to not move up to the FBS. They failed for structural reasons which NDSU will not face. Sacramento State on the other hand seems dead set on going the Idaho route of not having a strong conference home and lagging facilities.

The biggest mark against Idaho was the remote location. Facilities too, but being in the middle of nowhere was a big problem. Especially when those fucking retreads networks started making decisions solely on the number of tv's in the school's footprint.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

JMU had a greater than zero percent to win it all? OK, I have a non-zero chance at banging Olivia Dunne. Same odds.

You know who had a ZERO percent chance? Every team not in the field, including, but not limited to, every FCS team, ever, in the history of everdom.

Would you be happier if your Vandals played in the big dance, or would it be more meaningful if they made the CIT final four?

 

[5280Griz]

The biggest mark against Idaho was the remote location. Facilities too, but being in the middle of nowhere was a big problem. Especially when those fucking retreads networks started making decisions solely on the number of tv's in the school's footprint.

If Idaho would have been in the mountain west it would have resolved the remote location issues. The facilities were still going to be a problem regardless but a better plan on which conference to join would have mitigated the remote location.

 

[BrownBear9501]

This is really the only thing about this whole situation that worries me.

Money is POURING into that place, and at a certain point, if we can't keep up, they're just going to argue that we're holding them back.

If the BOR believes them and thinks they should move up, I could see them let them go without us if it is indeed true that we can't foreseeably afford to also do so.

And that would be the worst possible thing that could happen to our school.

Agreed! It would have a beyond damaging affect on UM.

 

[GriznMN]

Consensus opinion on eGriz.com? Ha!

Most posters seem to want the Griz to move up. Those posters also seem to be OK to never compete for national championships. They'd rather play Wyoming and Boise than NoCo and Cal Poly. Opportunities for a rare bowl game is satisfying.

The sane minority seems to understand the costs of moving up are prohibitive. They seem to prefer to continue to compete for national championships. They like the Giz to be among the big fish. Rare and random bowl games are not enticing.

I personally think the Griz and probably the cats are in a bad position. Move up to a situation in the MWC that is unknown vs stay put to a situation in the BSC that is unknown.

I think moving up would change the Griz in ways we cannot imagine - and those ways are not positive...

I imagine an outcome that is closer to Idaho and Nevada than Boise State

 

[Silenoz]

I find it HIGHLY unlikely that would ever happen. There would be a lot of really unhappy people at the state capitol in Helena, and there would be some major politics going on. State lawmakers would get involved and prevent one from going without the other. Ya the governor is a cat fan but the Senate President and a host of others in the leadership are UM alums and big Griz fans. There's no way this would happen. The BOR would feel some serious heat from the Legislature.

Plus UM is on an upward trajectory and everything I've heard about Clay Christian's comments about the new president is he wants someone whose a fundraiser and will continue and accelerate UM's pattern of growth. There will be time to catch up. Nobody is going anywhere IMO in the next 2 years. We're gonna be fine.

In this brave new world of American politics I wouldn't put anything past anyone

 

[GriznMN]

That stream is to get over the initial hurdle until the increased tv revenue kicks in to cover the cost.

"The Bison's football program will need more scholarships and staff support and a bigger travel and recruiting budget. NDSU also won't be able to fully access conference or College Football Playoff revenue until 2032 -- after the current media rights contracts expire."

 

[poiuyter]

NDSU has the most D-1 football championships. More than SEC and Big Ten combined.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

NDSU also won't be able to fully access conference or College Football Playoff revenue until 2032 -- after the current media rights contracts expire."

So they're paying $17 million to make the jump AND they have to be completely self-sustaining for the next 6 years? Yikes.

 

[kemajic]

If Idaho would have been in the mountain west it would have resolved the remote location issues. The facilities were still going to be a problem regardless but a better plan on which conference to join would have mitigated the remote location.

Are Idaho's facilities any worse than NDSU's? At least they own their own Quonset hut.

 

[5280Griz]

Are Idaho's facilities any worse than NDSU's? At least they own their own Quonset hut.

NDSU not owning the Fargodome is actually a positive for them. NDSU doesn’t carry any stadium debt nor are they responsible for capital for repairs. Operating costs are predictable year to year. The practice and training facilities at NDSU are significantly better than Idaho as well. The NoDak Insurance Complex (permanent indoor practice facility) is on par with many FBS indoor practice facilities. The Kibbie Dome is not a dedicated football space. The dedicated football space Idaho has is an outdoor practice field.

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

My perception is the FBS is for fans who don’t really understand football and want to watch it as entertainment. They are more interested in things like the music being played in the stadium than the scheme being played on the field. The FCS on the other hand is more interesting to fans who are more knowledgeable about the sport.

I can't argue this point.

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

Splitting hairs here but technically the Pacific Coast Conference and the PAC12 were not the same con. The PCC folded in the 50's i believe due to some sort of scandal and most of the remaining teams started a new con which later became the PAC8, 10, 12, and so on.

Fair enough. I had a hard time typing PAC 12 because it wasn't really the PAC 12 back then, so you're right. Still, they did play with the big boys for a quarter century without remarkable results.

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

NDSU has the most D-1 football championships. More than SEC and Big Ten combined.

Yeah FCS... doesn't participation trophies don't count champ. Put NDSU up against ANY top P4 team and the mighty fat cows get crushed every single time. They couldn't even beat a crap Colorado team. NDSU fans are delusional. The fat cows will NEVER win a real College football National Championship.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Fair enough. I had a hard time typing PAC 12 because it wasn't really the PAC 12 back then, so you're right. Still, they did play with the big boys for a quarter century without remarkable results.

Yes, I believe a small handful of con victories during their 20+ year tenure. Also an interesting note i didn't know. In all those years, not one of the Cali schools ever came to Montana to play.