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Belichick Not Firsr Ballot HOF

rocklobster

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I just wanted to get posters perspective on this. I think he's worthy of it. I.feel it's because he wasn't always pleasant with the media and they felt butt hurt, and decided to make it a personal thing. 6 championships as a head coach, and two additional as an assistant. I don't want to hear the Tom Brady won the championships argument. If Belichick had Peyton Manning, the same thing would have happened. This is a bunch assholes who just said to themselves that they weren't gonna make him a first ballot. You're takes, please.
 
What about Mike Shanahan? His exclusion from the hall of fame is one of the biggest travesties in the sport. Let’s compare the coaching trees of Belichick and Shannahan. Vrabel is the one successful head coach to come out from Belichick. Let’s look at Shanahan’s staff in Washington. You have Sean Mcvay among many others. Shanahan is more deserving than Belichick to be in the Hall of Fame in my opinion but they both deserve to be non first ballot Hall of Famers.
 
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What about Mike Shanahan? His exclusion from the hall of fame is one of the biggest travesties in the sport. Let’s compare the coaching trees of Belichick and Shannahan. Vrabel is the one successful head coach to come out from Belichick. Let’s look at Shanahan’s staff in Washington. You have Sean Mcvay among many others. Shanahan is more deserving than Belichick to be in the Hall of Fame in my opinion but they both deserve to be non first ballot Hall of Famers.
I agree.
 
Ok, be warned, I'm about to lay down some serious Belichick smack. Im sorry but without Tom, Bill is just your average sub 500 coach and everyone around the NFL knows that. Without the biggest draft steal ever, he'd probably be on his 8th coaching job now, most of them coordinator positions.

Pre Brady, Belichick earned fame by taking the Browns to a 11-5 record and a divisional playoff loss. Fun fact, they had the number one defense that year under DC Nick Saben who left after the season. Five years at Cleveland and one at NE pre Tom produced a 41-55 record with the one said playoff trip.

Enter Toms second year in 2001 and low and behold theyre winning Super Bolws. Nineteen years for Tom in NE produced 17 playoff trips, six SB rings, three more SB trips resulting in losses, four AFC championship losses, two divisional losses, and two wild card losses. Oh ya, and one of the two years they missed the playoffs, Tom was injured all year. The other was his third in the league. NE made the SB in over half of Tom's healthy seasons.

Tom leaves and what happens? 29-38 and one PO appearance in four years resulting in a wild card loss and out a job now coaching in college.

Nineteen years with Tom: 76% 17POA 6SBW
Ten years w/o Tom: 43% 2POA 0SB

On a side note, how did Tom affect TB's success? In the three years prior to his arrival, 17-31 for a 35%. That includes SB winning coach Bruce Arians, who Tampa brought out of retirement, going 7-9 the year before Tom. Tom shows up and SB, 32-18 in three years and three PO appearances. Since his retirement, 27-24.

Sometimes you have great coaches and sometimes you have coaches with great players. In Belichicks case, he had the GOAT.
 
Ok, be warned, I'm about to lay down some serious Belichick smack. Im sorry but without Tom, Bill is just your average sub 500 coach and everyone around the NFL knows that. Without the biggest draft steal ever, he'd probably be on his 8th coaching job now, most of them coordinator positions.

Pre Brady, Belichick earned fame by taking the Browns to a 11-5 record and a divisional playoff loss. Fun fact, they had the number one defense that year under DC Nick Saben who left after the season. Five years at Cleveland and one at NE pre Tom produced a 41-55 record with the one said playoff trip.

Enter Toms second year in 2001 and low and behold theyre winning Super Bolws. Nineteen years for Tom in NE produced 17 playoff trips, six SB rings, three more SB trips resulting in losses, four AFC championship losses, two divisional losses, and two wild card losses. Oh ya, and one of the two years they missed the playoffs, Tom was injured all year. The other was his third in the league. NE made the SB in over half of Tom's healthy seasons.

Tom leaves and what happens? 29-38 and one PO appearance in four years resulting in a wild card loss and out a job now coaching in college.

Nineteen years with Tom: 76% 17POA 6SBW
Ten years w/o Tom: 43% 2POA 0SB

On a side note, how did Tom affect TB's success? In the three years prior to his arrival, 17-31 for a 35%. That includes SB winning coach Bruce Arians, who Tampa brought out of retirement, going 7-9 the year before Tom. Tom shows up and SB, 32-18 in three years and three PO appearances. Since his retirement, 27-24.

Sometimes you have great coaches and sometimes you have coaches with great players. In Belichicks case, he had the GOAT.
Belichick’s 19 years with Tom is still good enough for the Hall of Fame but not first ballot. 8 total Super Bowl championships as an assistant and head coach is unmatched.
 
I don’t think it has to be a “Was it Tom or was it Bill” question. To me, it was a symbiotic pairing, a sum greater than its parts. The NFL’s Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup.
Tom’s success in Tampa disproves this.
 
Belichick’s 19 years with Tom is still good enough for the Hall of Fame but not first ballot. 8 total Super Bowl championships as an assistant and head coach is unmatched.
This is probably true but, and i know "ifs and buts", but if Tom never played for Bill, it's unlikely he's ever in the hall discussion. Tom would've been the GOAT no matter who he played for. But yes, since Bill has the greatest coat tail resume in history, he'll probably end up in the hall.
 
put Brady on this years' Browns and see what happens. Tampa Bay had huge offensive talent. So not necessarily.
Belichick was the de facto GM. As such he is to blame if the Pats lacked talent after Tom left. Bruce Arians is a very good coach but not a hall of famer.
 
2nd most wins in history.
Most playoff wins in history.
8 Super Bowl wins - 6 as HC.
17 AFC East Championships.

Tell me which of the other 1st ballot coaches didn't have elite QBs...Brown = Otto Graham. Landry = Staubach. Knoll = Bradshaw.

Garbage vote by butt-hurt "sports" journalists and a former Colts /Bill's GM.

Turds. I am not a Patriots fan BTW - so care very little about BB.
 
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