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LadyGriz Lady Griz: Time to Cut the Montana Ties

citygriz

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It was a long fabulous ride that the Lady Griz took us fans on, and I was there for the entirity of it.

What made it so special, and why the Lady Griz resonate so deeply still with the members of this board, is that they represented Montana through and through.

From a coach from Outlook, Montana, to all the incredible homegrown players over the years--Greta Koss, Skyla Sisco, Ann Lake, Lisa McLeod and of course the legendary Shannon Cate--but also all the Naitve American talent, led by Malia Kipp, the Lady Griz won our hearts. They were us. Our kids. And they made us proud.

It seemed natural then than a former great from Montana should take over the program. Who could have argued with that? But once that experiment failed, it seems Haslam fell into a trap: Trying desperately to maintain the program's historically great ties to Montana.

When it came time to hire a successor to Shannon, he had two choices: Mark Campbell from Oregon or Brian Holsinger, a fiery guy with ties to Montana Tech. He chose Holsinger, who in turn hired another Montana guy as an assistant, Nate Harris. And how did that work out?

Holsinger is gone, and Harris just coached one of the worst most one-side basketball games I have ever witnessed, where our players turned the ball over fourteen times in one quarter, could not dribble or get shots off, or even make layups on the few occasions they did get to the rim.

The while Mark Campbell took over a 3-21 team at Sac Sate, and led them to an NCAA berth in two years, before departing for TCU, where he turned around a 3-22 team and was the Big 12 2025 Coach of the Year.

Time to recognize that women's hoops have changed from the glory days of the Lady Griz. Just as the NBA is now understanding the incredible dollar potential of women's basketball, the college adminstrators, thanks to Gino Auriemma, had already found that gold and begun to pour money into coaches, facilities, recruiting and promotion.

And now it's time for Montana to catch up, by ditching the quaint notion that a modern-day women's collegiate program can be coached as before by small-town guys from Montana.

It means hiring a coach with national recuriting chops, of the level of Campbell, who recruited the fabulous Sabrina Ionescu to Oregon. If basketball is an urban game, it means finding a coach with recruting ties to Black talent in major urban centers--long a criticism of mine as the Board well knows. Fifty plus years of Lady Griz basketball and you can count the Black palyers on the fingers of one hand?

For those of you who disagree, let me pose this question: How many more embarrassments of the sort we witnessed last Saturday in Bozeman are you willing to endure.
 
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It was a long fabulous ride that the Lady Griz took us fans on, and I was there for the entirity of it.

What made it so special, and why the Lady Griz resonate so deeply still with the members of this board, is that they represented Montana through and through.

From a coach from Outlook, Montana, to all the incredible homegrown players over the years--Greta Koss, Skyla Sisco, Ann Lake, Lisa McLeod and of course the legendary Shannon Cate--but also all the Naitve American talent, led by Malia Kipp, the Lady Griz won our hearts. They were us. Our kids. And they made us proud.

It seemed natural then than a former great from Montana should take over the program. Who could have argued with that? But once that experiment failed, it seems Haslam fell into a trap: Trying desperately to maintain the program's historically great ties to Montana.

When it came time to hire a successor to Shannon, he had two choices: Mark Campbell from Oregon or Brian Holsinger, a fiery guy with ties to Montana Tech. He chose Holsinger, who in turn hired another Montana guy as an assistant, Nate Harris. And how did that work out?

Holsinger is gone, and Harris just coached one of the worst most one-side basketball games I have ever witnessed, where our players turned the ball over fourteen times in one quarter, could not dribble or get shots off, or even make layups on the few occasions they did get to the rim.

The while Mark Campbell took over a 3-21 team at Sac Sate, and led them to an NCAA berth in two years, before departing for TCU, where he turned around a 3-22 team and was the Big 12 2025 Coach of the Year.

Time to recognize that women's hoops have changed from the glory days of the Lady Griz. Just as the NBA is now understanding the incredible dollar potential of women's basketball, the college adminstrators, thanks to Gino Auriemma, had already found that gold and begun to pour money into coaches, facilities, recruiting and promotion.

And now it's time for Montana to catch up, by ditching the quaint notion that a modern-day women's collegiate program can be coached as before by small-town guys from Montana.

It means hiring a coach with national recuriting chops, of the level of Campbell, who recruited the fabulous Sabrina Ionescu to Oregon. If basketball is an urban game, it means finding a coach with recruting ties to Black talent in major urban centers--long a criticism of mine as the Board well knows. Fifty plus years of Lady Griz basketball and you can count the Black palyers on the fingers of one hand?

For those of you who disagree, let me pose this question: How many more embarrassments of the sort we witnessed last Saturday in Bozeman are you willing to endure.
That's such lazy thinking it's ridiculous..you need to find the right player who buys into your system.. no matter what skin color..

Go back and look at MSU roster the last handful of years under Binford... take a look at South Dakota State they are a perennial NCAA tournament team the last 15 years. they recruit from mostly rural Minnesota, South Dakota, and Iowa.. NDSU has finally turned the corner this year, and their kids are basically from the same areas as SDSU's with the exception of a couple.but generally the same
 
It was a long fabulous ride that the Lady Griz took us fans on, and I was there for the entirity of it.

What made it so special, and why the Lady Griz resonate so deeply still with the members of this board, is that they represented Montana through and through.

From a coach from Outlook, Montana, to all the incredible homegrown players over the years--Greta Koss, Skyla Sisco, Ann Lake, Lisa McLeod and of course the legendary Shannon Cate--but also all the Naitve American talent, led by Malia Kipp, the Lady Griz won our hearts. They were us. Our kids. And they made us proud.

It seemed natural then than a former great from Montana should take over the program. Who could have argued with that? But once that experiment failed, it seems Haslam fell into a trap: Trying desperately to maintain the program's historically great ties to Montana.

When it came time to hire a successor to Shannon, he had two choices: Mark Campbell from Oregon or Brian Holsinger, a fiery guy with ties to Montana Tech. He chose Holsinger, who in turn hired another Montana guy as an assistant, Nate Harris. And how did that work out?

Holsinger is gone, and Harris just coached one of the worst most one-side basketball games I have ever witnessed, where our players turned the ball over fourteen times in one quarter, could not dribble or get shots off, or even make layups on the few occasions they did get to the rim.

The while Mark Campbell took over a 3-21 team at Sac Sate, and led them to an NCAA berth in two years, before departing for TCU, where he turned around a 3-22 team and was the Big 12 2025 Coach of the Year.

Time to recognize that women's hoops have changed from the glory days of the Lady Griz. Just as the NBA is now understanding the incredible dollar potential of women's basketball, the college adminstrators, thanks to Gino Auriemma, had already found that gold and begun to pour money into coaches, facilities, recruiting and promotion.

And now it's time for Montana to catch up, by ditching the quaint notion that a modern-day women's collegiate program can be coached as before by small-town guys from Montana.

It means hiring a coach with national recuriting chops, of the level of Campbell, who recruited the fabulous Sabrina Ionescu to Oregon. If basketball is an urban game, it means finding a coach with recruting ties to Black talent in major urban centers--long a criticism of mine as the Board well knows. Fifty plus years of Lady Griz basketball and you can count the Black palyers on the fingers of one hand?

For those of you who disagree, let me pose this question: How many more embarrassments of the sort we witnessed last Saturday in Bozeman are you willing to endure.
I agree, it was brutal to watch the Lady Griz basketball game on Saturday. However, the Lady Griz were one last second basket away from winning the Big Sky Conference title and a trip to the NCAA last year. Do you want to get rid of the coaches that guided them there?

I thought with the talent we brought in this year, we would be better than we are. However, it looks like some of the players haven't stepped up into leadership roles, yet. I'm watching this season looking for bright spots and I'm seeing some. I still think this team can create some noise in the Big Sky Conference Tournament but they have to get there first.
 
I agree, it was brutal to watch the Lady Griz basketball game on Saturday. However, the Lady Griz were one last second basket away from winning the Big Sky Conference title and a trip to the NCAA last year. Do you want to get rid of the coaches that guided them there?
My answer is yes. Wasn't excited about the hire than and less so now.
 
Too many unforced turnovers and missed layups by the Lady Griz in the first half of this NAU game. They just don't seem connected on the offensive end yet.

I do like the 1-3-1 zone they are playing although they need to rotate faster on skip passes and close out over the ball hand.
 
Too many unforced turnovers and missed layups by the Lady Griz in the first half of this NAU game. They just don't seem connected on the offensive end yet.

I do like the 1-3-1 zone they are playing although they need to rotate faster on skip passes and close out over the ball hand.
I mean they doubled up NAU at one point 14-28 so I would say thats pretry good. They went cold for a little bit but still up by 7 at the end of the 2nd quarter.
 
One of three white girls from Billings West and or Sentinel now playing pretty well at EWU (really ?) and MSU might be good too. One a Griz FB legacy daughter.

That's the weird thing. Montana coaching ties, but rarely the top Montana high school players.
 
Re the Montana recruits and coaching ties: these players- and their parents- have been navigating competition through club ball since grade school-they all know each other, talk to one another, and they are well versed in looking for the team and coach that will make them winners. When it doesn't happen, from club ball on, they move on. Lady Griz team still paying the price for 5 years of coaching upheaval- don't forget 5 Montana players from Coach Schweyen's final recruiting class all went elsewhere, I lost track of one of them but the other 4 did very well on other teams- 3 at Carroll, one from Glendive (coach's daughter) went out of state. That a Missoula high school coach's niece went to MSU and played for 4 years there from 2020 to 2024? also sent a clear signal to other recruits to go elsewhere. It's folly to think these events affect only a year or two, the reverberations of those departures are still playing out where it matters most, between the unseen network of Montana players, their parents, and even former high school coaches communicating with the upcoming class of recruits. It can best be corrected, in my opinion, by two years of stability and a clear message coming from coach him or herself, that the coach is a winner, wants Montana players, and can retain a team. Go Griz.
 
Re the Montana recruits and coaching ties: these players- and their parents- have been navigating competition through club ball since grade school-they all know each other, talk to one another, and they are well versed in looking for the team and coach that will make them winners. When it doesn't happen, from club ball on, they move on. Lady Griz team still paying the price for 5 years of coaching upheaval- don't forget 5 Montana players from Coach Schweyen's final recruiting class all went elsewhere, I lost track of one of them but the other 4 did very well on other teams- 3 at Carroll, one from Glendive (coach's daughter) went out of state. That a Missoula high school coach's niece went to MSU and played for 4 years there from 2020 to 2024? also sent a clear signal to other recruits to go elsewhere. It's folly to think these events affect only a year or two, the reverberations of those departures are still playing out where it matters most, between the unseen network of Montana players, their parents, and even former high school coaches communicating with the upcoming class of recruits. It can best be corrected, in my opinion, by two years of stability and a clear message coming from coach him or herself, that the coach is a winner, wants Montana players, and can retain a team. Go Griz.
Nate has a couple good MT girls coming in next year.
 
This couldn't be further from what they need to do. MSU has been kicking our ass for several years now with *checks notes*... a ton of Montana kids.

If anything, we need MORE Montana kids across the board in Grizzly athletics in all sports, men's basketball included.
 
LG looked better against NAU, a home game. A lot of factors, biggest one we were more competitive with this 3-4 team. And our stat's way better shooting, less turnovers, better scoring contributions by players Land Kennedy Shubert Wacker, off game for Avery, seemed somewhat tentative. Looked like we picked up on defense, more aggressive. So hopefully this synergy is the platform we have patiently waiting for. Layups..got to make them, slacking off at times on defense with unguarded opponents, rebs, slacky passing at times, passing to open players/assists areas we need to get a grip on. Upcoming games with Weber 0-6 conf, and Idaho St 4-2 conf could be the ladder of confidence we need. I predict we'll settle for at best bottom 3rd of the conf, we just don't have the finesse and teamplay compared to those teams in the middle and top of the conference. We'll see!
 
This couldn't be further from what they need to do. MSU has been kicking our ass for several years now with *checks notes*... a ton of Montana kids.

If anything, we need MORE Montana kids across the board in Grizzly athletics in all sports, men's basketball included.
The problem in men's basketball is all the top Bball players also play Football for the most part and they choose to play Football instead.

And I really don't care where our players are from, just as long as we're winning. This is such an exhausting take.
 
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