I do find it ironic that you point out that everyone after Provience was "depth" then say "we're gonna depend on the depth because of the starters we lost"...
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Ramos into the portal
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That's fair. I didn't expand on those players because it's not the Bobcat board and I didn't think you'd care, but sure, I can do that.
Wilson was QB3. Talented player, was a very hyped recruit, but got passed up on the depth chart when the new OC came in last year. He's leaving so he can play. Lamson and Duchien (QB2) are both coming back, so it doesn't really hurt.
Harmon was a decent ST player who was never going to get actual snaps. He got his degree and now he's going down a level to get some playing time. Happy that he gets to end his career that way, great kid.
King could never break through in the WR room. Pretty much never played unless it was a blowout. Only losing one WR, so it's not a huge deal.
Ohalete was one of the DB transfers they took in after losing a bunch last year. Never saw any time, I don't think he was very good, they were just desperate for some "veteran" play back there.
Trimble was a WR that I think was actually pretty talented, but every time he got into the lineup ended up getting hurt. Wasn't playing at all by the end of the year, and again, only lost one WR out of that room.
Thornhill was a true freshman DE that I think could have been a player in a few years, but got homesick and just ended up not being a good fit. This was the one I was most disappointed about because I thought he had some talent, but that's how it goes.
Sounds rude to say, but none of these guys are hard to replace. The current freshman class will have developed enough that they can slide into those spots without any concern. So yes, it is depth they're losing, but not exactly important depth. Mostly just guys filling roster spots that had gotten passed over by more talented players.
So, it's DIFFERENT depth y'all are gonna count on then? :lol:
And no shit, Sherlock...the depth guys leave because they can't crack the rotation. The good ones leave to go play in the SEC or B10. But saying you're gonna count on "the depth" and then explain why "the depth" is departing is disingenuous and talking out of both sides of your mouth.
It's only disingenuous if you don't understand the mechanisms of a college roster.
It's not nearly as complicated as you're making it. The depth that will replace the starters that left were the backups. The depth that left for more playing time were not the backups, they were the 3rd and 4th stringers who didn't play and weren't going to play. So yes, it absolutely is different depth.
For example, JT Reed, the center, is graduating. He will be replaced likely either by Burke Mastel, who was the starting guard, or Aidan Kaplan, who was the backup center. That's counting on the depth to replace him.
Paul Brott and Alec Eckert will be replaced by a rotation of Talon Marsh, Zach Black, Josiah Asuega, and Hunter Sharbono, all backups who got regular snaps. That's counting on the depth to replace them.
Kenny Eiden and Hunter Parsons will be replaced by Zac Crews and Dominic Solano, backups who rotated with Eiden and Parsons. That's counting on the depth to replace them.
I can go on, and on.
I shouldn't have to explain that the 3rd and 4th strings who are transferring out clearly aren't a part of the depth that would replace those starters, but if you want to play dumb, I can and will explain it. Not all depth is the same. I'm not going to pretend that Hashim Jones and Timmy Running Rabitt are the same depth players, and thus losing one isn't really an impact whereas the other is, and you shouldn't either.
mthoopsfan
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You told us nothing. And I don’t believe you that only 3d-4th teamers left. And your new DL looks very weak to me. Cats are screwed unless they upgrade in portal. I could go on.
5280Griz
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Can someone post the weights of the projected starters on the defensive fronts of MSU and UM so we can compare? Please include total weight of the defensive front as well as average per player.
You can. Both rosters are online.
5280Griz
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I don’t know who MSU’s projected starters are.
I thought they entire two deep of the MSU dline were underclassmen? Did they lose them to the portal (not that I have heard) They sure did fine against UM and will be a year older/stronger/more experienced .....
SeattleBobcat
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You thought we were weak when we played this year and what happened? Ass kicking. Good thing you don't know shit.
SeattleBobcat
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It's basically the same as this year.
5280Griz
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Isn’t Brott graduating?
Why are you so obsessed with the weight of the players? It doesn't usually correlate to success. Go look at the University of Miami player size currently and tell me how you think they would fare against Illinois States behemoth player sizes.
While this pains me, I have to agree with Jim, here.
Case in point: Ramos weighed the same as Gubner.
What depth is replacing your starting corners?
5280Griz
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Miami’s 2 starting interior defensive lineman are both over 300 pounds, one of them is 325. I am not sure there is a substantial difference in size between Miami and Illinois State. Miami seems a little bigger but not by much.
Takhari Carr, who was one of the main 4 who rotated this year, and likely Kory Boyd. There's a couple true freshman (Marcus Coleman and Tim Thomas) who got some snaps in the backfield that I think could play there as well. All of the safeties and nickel's are returning. I would imagine that they'll bring in a transfer or two at CB as well, but I've been consistent in saying that the entire time. MSU will likely do what they did last year. Bring in a handful of transfers to supplement at positions of need. I've never said that they won't bring in transfers, I just said they won't bring in a substantial amount. Even then, they still have the depth at the CB position to be sufficient for the upcoming season.
You are correct. The starters graduated, but the DL rotated heavy the entire year so all of those guys got significant snaps. Josiah Asuega will also be in the rotation, some of you guys might remember him, I think he was choosing between MSU and UM coming out of HS. He got some reps at DT as a true freshman, which is pretty dang uncommon.
You lying little sack of crap. Of the four rotational 2 and 3 tech players only one is listed over 300# the other 3 are between 260# and 280#.
5280Griz
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Ahmad Moten Sr is listed at 325#, their other starting interior defensive lineman David Blay Jr is listed at 303#. Their 2 defensive ends are listed at 275# and 280#.
