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[5280Griz]

It’s economics. Costs will increase if UM and MSU move up. Revenue from football is limited by the population willing to pay for tickets and stadium capacities. Ticket sales may not remain at current levels if Montana schools lose more games because of tougher competition at the next level. The regents need to fund six institutions that offer four-year degrees and several other two-year institutions. The regents have a lot to balance. The Legislature is extremely conservative and the majority remains upset at the regents because of recent litigation over gun control on campuses, so relying on the Legislature for increased funding would not be advisable. Where will they get the money? Increased tuition and student fees? Bake sales won’t cut it. There is no incentive for regents to stick their neck out to move up and a lot of risk if they do.

What about increased tv revenue from more games on mainline ESPN and Fox channels instead of ESPN+?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Intel has invested more than $34 billion into their facilities and brings $10.7 billion in economic impact to Chandler Arizona annually. 3/4 billion is not that much.

It is in Bozeman. Phoenix area has 5 million people. Bozeman has less than 60,000. The profits/stock of options that Intel is putting in the Chandler goes to Intel, not to the people who live in Chandler. You have no clue about business either.

 

[5280Griz]

It is in Bozeman. Phoenix area has 5 million people. Bozeman has less than 60,000. The profits/stock of options that Intel is putting in the Chandler goes to Intel, not to the people who live in Chandler. You have no clue about business either.

Bozeman area has 118,000 people. You are clueless

 

[mthoopsfan]

Who sent that to you, Player Rep?

Even if it was real, which I’m sure it isn’t, that means nothing. It carries about as much water as trying to get strangers to think you are some kind of high roller because you went to a regular season Suns game.

I will bet you $100, or $500, or whatever, that the message is it real. From one of the best posters on egriz. I don't know who he is in real life. Put up or shut up.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Who sent that to you, Player Rep?

Even if it was real, which I’m sure it isn’t, that means nothing. It carries about as much water as trying to get strangers to think you are some kind of high roller because you went to a regular season Suns game.

I have never said I was a high roller. But I go to Suns' games. The Fiesta Bowl. Cardinals and other professional games. The national champ football game on occasion. ASU games. In 2025, Australian Open, Indian Wells (every year), and Wimbledon. The Super Bowl on occasion. The World Series on occasion. The Hong Kong 7's rugby tourney from time to time. The rugby World Cup in France, Japan and England. Was in France for a month. How about you?

 

[mthoopsfan]

What about increased tv revenue from more games on mainline ESPN and Fox channels instead of ESPN+?

That amount of revenue would be small in comparison to increased costs. Have you ever taken an economics class or balanced a checkbook?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Let’s bring this discussion back to football. Since Hauck’s return in 2018, the Intel campus’s local high school, Hamilton has had 6 guys enter the NFL and UM has had 3. Chandler High School which is Hamilton’s crosstown rival has had 5 players enter the NFL since 2018.

That's why focusing recruiting on Montana is silly. The good players are elsewhere, and now most of them are in the Portal.

 

[Hulapoops]

It is in Bozeman. Phoenix area has 5 million people. Bozeman has less than 60,000. The profits/stock of options that Intel is putting in the Chandler goes to Intel, not to the people who live in Chandler. You have no clue about business either.

What does this even mean? Take a breath and use your words.

Are you saying the options that the employees of Intel in Chandler get go to Intel and not back into the Chandler community?

Also, non start-ups give RSU allotments, not options.

Seems like you have no clue about how comp structures work in modern tech/SaaS jobs.

 

[Hulapoops]

I have never said I was a high roller. But I go to Suns' games. The Fiesta Bowl. Cardinals and other professional games. The national champ football game on occasion. ASU games. In 2025, Australian Open, Indian Wells (every year), and Wimbledon. The Super Bowl on occasion. The World Series on occasion. The Hong Kong 7's rugby tourney from time to time. The rugby World Cup in France, Japan and England. Was in France for a month. How about you?

You literally try to imply it in half your posts. You mentioned going to the Fiesta Bowl with no context, it was sad.

But to answer your question… me? Not much. Oh, I am running a marathon in St. Tropez and then staying in Monaco for two weeks in March. Spent a week in Deer Valley last year, on top of my annual trip back to Big Sky. Had a suite in Chateau Fairmont at Whistler this summer (killer spa and make an amazing Mediterranean G&T). Went to every ALDS and ALCS game in Seattle this year, hung out with Marlins guy, was a trip. $6k on Eras tour tics to keep my wife happy. On top of my season Griz tics and making more than half the road games.

Weird part is I’m barely over half your age .

Isn’t that weird how other people have $ from working hard, do cool sh!t and don’t have to mention it unsolicited?

 

[goatcreekgriz]

What about increased tv revenue from more games on mainline ESPN and Fox channels instead of ESPN+?

What’s your projection? And how do you think it would persuade the BOR?

 

[Hulapoops]

What about increased tv revenue from more games on mainline ESPN and Fox channels instead of ESPN+?

I am in the move up camp and do agree that there would be additional revenue from tv. But the only downside is it could mean weird non-traditional days and times for games. Admittedly that part isn’t easy when a lot of your fans are driving from out of town.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You literally try to imply it in half your posts. You mentioned going to the Fiesta Bowl with no context, it was sad.

But to answer your question… me? Not much. Oh, I am running a marathon in St. Tropez and then staying in Monaco for two weeks in March. Spent a week in Deer Valley last year, on top of my annual trip back to Big Sky. Had a suite in Chateau Fairmont at Whistler this summer (killer spa and make an amazing Mediterranean G&T). Went to every ALDS and ALCS game in Seattle this year, hung out with Marlins guy, was a trip. $6k on Eras tour tics to keep my wife happy. On top of my season Griz tics and making more than half the road games.

Weird part is I’m barely over half your age .

Isn’t that weird how other people have $ from working hard, do cool sh!t and don’t have to mention it unsolicited?

The context was that I went to the Fiesta Bowl with former Griz head coach Pflu. You probably never heard of him. Do you think we talked some football? I talk to him all the time, tho. I have had a condo at Big Sky for 35 years. My uncle/cousins owned/started the Town Center there. Sold 2 years ago. I take my greater family with me on my trips. Weird part is that what you described is basically nothing.

 

[Hulapoops]

The context was that I went to the Fiesta Bowl with former Griz head coach Pflu. You probably never heard of him. Do you think we talked some football? I talk to him all the time, tho. I have had a condo at Big Sky for 35 years. My uncle/cousins owned/started the Town Center there. Sold 2 years ago. I take my greater family with me on my trips. Weird part is that what you described is basically nothing.

Yes, we know, I asked if you had mentioned to him that you were denigrating one of his dead family friends and his kid at Christmas.

Also, I’ll buy your ticket if I can film you trying to ski 5’ down the couloir. My guess is you are more of a hot cocoa with the ski school kids kind of guy based off of previous comments.

 

[mthoopsfan]

What does this even mean? Take a breath and use your words.

Are you saying the options that the employees of Intel in Chandler get go to Intel and not back into the Chandler community?

Also, non start-ups give RSU allotments, not options.

Seems like you have no clue about how comp structures work in modern tech/SaaS jobs.

I am saying that Bozeman people had preferred stock and option in RNT and some made many millions of money. I even made a goodly amount.

Virtually no one in Chandler has options, or many, or had any preferred stock. At most, they get salary. They don't gain wealth.

I represented start-ups most of my legal career. I know what they get, and get options.

I was the top corporate/securites/tehc lawyer in MT for over 3 decades. Neither RNT nor any of my clients used RSU's.

RNT was an early SAAS company. I know a ton about SAAS.

Some companies use RSU's, but they are taxed twice. And when they vest, they are taxed at ordinary income. That is a big negative. Options can be made to be taxed at capital gain rates and are not taxed until the stock is sold. Not when the options vest.

Start-ups use options not RSU's. RSU's are sometimes used by late stage start-ups (who are close to liquidity) and are used by already public tech companies. Late stage start-ups are closer to liquidity, by either an IPO or sale of the company. No one wants to pay taxes until they can liquidate some of their stock to pay the taxes, and capital gains treatment is at a much lower rate.

This is what I did for a living. You are clueless on this. Just like you are on football.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Yes, we know, I asked if you had mentioned to him that you were denigrating one of his dead family friends and his kid at Christmas.

Also, I’ll buy your ticket if I can film you trying to ski 5’ down the couloir. My guess is you are more of a hot cocoa with the ski school kids kind of guy based off of previous comments.

Huh? What dead family member? I don't denigrate any dead family members, by the way. Whose kids?

I was not able to ski Schmitt's couloir decades ago. I've skied alot more times at Big Sky than you have. Also, alot more at the Yellowstone Club.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

I am in the move up camp and do agree that there would be additional revenue from tv. But the only downside is it could mean weird non-traditional days and times for games. Admittedly that part isn’t easy when a lot of your fans are driving from out of town.

Application fee to NCAA for moving up is $5 million. It appears increased scholarship costs across all sports would approach $2 million a year. Travel costs would increase, probably other expenses, too. Current athletics budget is $28 million. Would TV revenue cover the increase? Do you think the Legislature would budget the $10 million combined application fee?

I don’t see the political will to make it work. It didn’t work out for Idaho.

 

[Hulapoops]

I am saying that Bozeman people had preferred stock and option in RNT and some made many millions of money. I even made a goodly amount.

Virtually no one in Chandler has options, or many, or had any preferred stock. At most, they get salary. They don't gain wealth.

I represented start-ups most of my legal career. I know what they get, and get options.

I was the top corporate/securites/tehc lawyer in MT for over 3 decades. Neither RNT nor any of my clients used RSU's.

RNT was an early SAAS company. I know a ton about SAAS.

Some companies use RSU's, but they are taxed twice. And when they vest, they are taxed at ordinary income. That is a big negative. Options can be made to be taxed at capital gain rates and are not taxed until the stock is sold. Not when the options vest.

Start-ups use options not RSU's. RSU's are sometimes used by late stage start-ups (who are close to liquidity) and are used by already public tech companies. Late stage start-ups are closer to liquidity, by either an IPO or sale of the company. No one wants to pay taxes until they can liquidate some of their stock to pay the taxes, and capital gains treatment is at a much lower rate.

This is what I did for a living. You are clueless on this. Just like you are on football.

First off, they are definitely getting RSU’s, not just salary.

Also, you saw where I said non-start ups, right? You said “The profits/stock of options that Intel is putting in the Chandler goes to Intel, not to the people who live in Chandler.” On top of being unintelligible, I was saying Intel doesn’t give employees options, they use RSU’s. Same with any peer company. Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Apple… they use RSU’s, not options.

If you worked with large tech you’d know that. But you left NY… couldn’t hack it I guess?

 

[mthoopsfan]

First off, they are definitely getting RSU’s, not just salary.

Also, you saw where I said non-start ups, right? You said “The profits/stock of options that Intel is putting in the Chandler goes to Intel, not to the people who live in Chandler.” On top of being unintelligible, I was saying Intel doesn’t give employees options, they use RSU’s. Same with any peer company. Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Apple… they use RSU’s, not options.

If you worked with large tech you’d know that. But you left NY… couldn’t hack it I guess?

Maybe at Intel, as it is public company. But at the start-ups in Bozeman, the were getting options not RSU's.

This article has been on egriz before. Check it out. https://www.mthightech.org/news/the-lawyers-behind-montanas-biggest-tech-deal

 

[5280Griz]

I am saying that Bozeman people had preferred stock and option in RNT and some made many millions of money. I even made a goodly amount.

Virtually no one in Chandler has options, or many, or had any preferred stock. At most, they get salary. They don't gain wealth.

I represented start-ups most of my legal career. I know what they get, and get options.

I was the top corporate/securites/tehc lawyer in MT for over 3 decades. Neither RNT nor any of my clients used RSU's.

RNT was an early SAAS company. I know a ton about SAAS.

Some companies use RSU's, but they are taxed twice. And when they vest, they are taxed at ordinary income. That is a big negative. Options can be made to be taxed at capital gain rates and are not taxed until the stock is sold. Not when the options vest.

Start-ups use options not RSU's. RSU's are sometimes used by late stage start-ups (who are close to liquidity) and are used by already public tech companies. Late stage start-ups are closer to liquidity, by either an IPO or sale of the company. No one wants to pay taxes until they can liquidate some of their stock to pay the taxes, and capital gains treatment is at a much lower rate.

This is what I did for a living. You are clueless on this. Just like you are on football.

You’re completely stuck on the wrong thing. My point was about local economic impact. By any serious measure, Intel has done far more for Chandler’s economy than RightNow ever did for Bozeman. Jobs, tax base, infrastructure, suppliers housing and population growth across the whole town. Your rant about options, RSUs and SaaS is irrelevant noise. A few people getting rich off of equity is not the same as reshaping a metro area’s economy for decades. If you can’t tell the difference between private wealth and economic impact, that’s an understanding economics problem, not a credentials problem. Your resume doesn’t fix that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You’re completely stuck on the wrong thing. My point was about local economic impact. By any serious measure, Intel has done far more for Chandler’s economy than RightNow ever did for Bozeman. Jobs, tax base, infrastructure, suppliers housing and population growth across the whole town. Your rant about options, RSUs and SaaS is irrelevant noise. A few people getting rich off of equity is not the same as reshaping a metro area’s economy for decades. If you can’t tell the difference between private wealth and economic impact, that’s an understanding economics problem, not a credentials problem. Your resume doesn’t fix that.

No, you are wrong. RNT and the Bozeman start-ups that have sold or gone public have created considerable wealth in the Bozeman area and attracted more wealth. And the impact on the Bozeman area, with the spinoffs, is way bigger proportionally than Intel in Chandleer.. Intel isn't making people or employees rich or giving them wealth in Chandler. You are clueless about business.