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Facilities, strength program, analytics

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406football

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How do our facilities and resources stack up to NDSU and MSU? I am curious to see if this is an area where we could improve?

From research it sounds like NDSU is far and away built more like an FBS program with the facilities they have and how many quality control and analytic positions.

Is this something we need to invest into?

How does our Strength program match up with these teams? Do we have specialists? How does our nutrition compare? Recovery?

Curious to see if anyone close to the program or with knowledge can enlighten me.
 
Facilities wise, UM has some of the best in all of FCS and better than a number of FBS.

I feel like our S&C program could possibly be re-evaluated or assessed. Although we’ve been pretty fortunate on the injury forefront. I just feel like we get pushed around in the trenches a bit.

I heard we do have a pretty good nutrition program. I do not believe we have an actual nutritionist hired which I know Choate did at MSU and it was an important piece. I would like to see something like that.
 
HookedonGriz said:
Facilities wise, UM has some of the best in all of FCS and better than a number of FBS.

I feel like our S&C program could possibly be re-evaluated or assessed. Although we’ve been pretty fortunate on the injury forefront. I just feel like we get pushed around in the trenches a bit.

I heard we do have a pretty good nutrition program. I do not believe we have an actual nutritionist hired which I know Choate did at MSU and it was an important piece. I would like to see something like that.
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We have the best venue in FCS and most FBS schools for sure. How does our Strength facilities match up to NDSU and MSU?
 
406football said:
How do our facilities and resources stack up to NDSU and MSU? I am curious to see if this is an area where we could improve?

From research it sounds like NDSU is far and away built more like an FBS program with the facilities they have and how many quality control and analytic positions.

Is this something we need to invest into?

How does our Strength program match up with these teams? Do we have specialists? How does our nutrition compare? Recovery?

Curious to see if anyone close to the program or with knowledge can enlighten me.
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Our bubble definitely is a huge step down compared to Ndsu Sdsu and Msu's indoor practice facilities. Does the same thing but I bet kids pay attention to things like that.
 
406football said:
We have the best venue in FCS and most FBS schools for sure. How does our Strength facilities match up to NDSU and MSU?
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Not just the stadium venue..Our champion center and its weight rooms, locker room, meeting rooms, etc some of best in FCS and better than a lot of FBS. Their indoor facilities are permanent compared to our bubble.
 
406football said:
We have the best venue in FCS and most FBS schools for sure. How does our Strength facilities match up to NDSU and MSU?
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I'm not really sure anyone could answer this unless they had participated in both programs as either a coach or a player. I can look at pictures, but that doesn't really tell us a lot. I think this is a good conversation starter, but I'm not sure what individual exists in the world that could accurately make the comparison.
 
HookedonGriz said:
Facilities wise, UM has some of the best in all of FCS and better than a number of FBS.

I feel like our S&C program could possibly be re-evaluated or assessed. Although we’ve been pretty fortunate on the injury forefront. I just feel like we get pushed around in the trenches a bit.

I heard we do have a pretty good nutrition program. I do not believe we have an actual nutritionist hired which I know Choate did at MSU and it was an important piece. I would like to see something like that.
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You would think for a university that offers a Health And Human Performance program. We would very much be on top of the strength and conditioning and nutrition part of running a team.
 
Our Champions Center and the Bobcat athletic complex are essentially the same thing as far as lifting and training go. I’m not sure what their student athlete learning facilities are like but I imagine they’re the same. Their indoor facility is the same structure that SDSU because all the people who helped build that at SDSU are now at MSU. I think NDSUs is still a level better.

MSUs facility isn’t a full 100 yards like ours is. But we have a bubble. And eventual permanent structure with all glass side facing the river someday would be phenomenal looking.

Our stadium is of course leaps and bounds better than theirs. And always will be.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
You would think for a university that offers a Health And Human Performance program. We would very much be on top of the strength and conditioning and nutrition part of running a team.
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No matter how good your strength and conditioning program is, you need more than just a few months to develop players. That is why it goes hand in hand with incoming freshman and a robust walkon program. If you live in the portal with short term players none of it really matters much.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I'm not really sure anyone could answer this unless they had participated in both programs as either a coach or a player. I can look at pictures, but that doesn't really tell us a lot. I think this is a good conversation starter, but I'm not sure what individual exists in the world that could accurately make the comparison.
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I have no idea how to compare these things and agree 100%. Do you know how our analytics staff compares? is this something we can improve on? NDSU seems to employ a full time staff of defensive and offensive analyst and a video operations staff for film and data review.
 
406football said:
I have no idea how to compare these things and agree 100%. Do you know how our analytics staff compares? is this something we can improve on? NDSU seems to employ a full time staff of defensive and offensive analyst and a video operations staff for film and data review.
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Both teams have an equal number of analysts (3), though NDSU also has a couple of positions for "Offensive Quality Control" and "Defensive Quality Control." I don't know for sure, but my assumption is that those two are essentially self-scouting analysts.

The video work is very similar, I think that is mostly standard around the country.

They have more people in a "director of recruiting" role on the support staff.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Both teams have an equal number of analysts (3), though NDSU also has a couple of positions for "Offensive Quality Control" and "Defensive Quality Control." I don't know for sure, but my assumption is that those two are essentially self-scouting analysts.

The video work is very similar, I think that is mostly standard around the country.

They have more people in a "director of recruiting" role on the support staff.
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Thank you, sir. I assume all 3 programs operate in similar fashion with NDSU having a financial advantage.
 
HookedonGriz said:
Not just the stadium venue..Our champion center and its weight rooms, locker room, meeting rooms, etc some of best in FCS and better than a lot of FBS. Their indoor facilities are permanent compared to our bubble.
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A true football only facility houses the coaches offices, etc in the same footprint. In UMs case the are all the way across the Adams center. There were some things that could have been done better to better emulate facilities on bigger levels. It is, however, very nice for an FCS facility.
 
406football said:
Thank you, sir. I assume all 3 programs operate in similar fashion with NDSU having a financial advantage.
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They definitely have a financial advantage. Their teamster group has raised millions and millions. They offer a FCOA to all athletes (full cost of attendance) which means each of their athletes gets a couple of thousand dollars per month to go toward housing and food too….. that is in addition to NIL
 
All of the facilities listed are more than enough to win a championship with. Whether one is better than the other in certain areas is nothing more than bragging rights for fans.
 
I notice the people who have answered the question deflect from the strength and conditioning program as well as the nutritional one to the facilities because the facilities are very nice in comparison but the truth is facilities don't make better players but strength, conditioning and nutrition do. These things cost money and it is not something UM choses to spend on. The old saying goes and so true here. "You get what you pay for."
 
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