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[Da Boyz Mom]

How is it selective when it's the entirety of Bobby's Record from his 2.0 stint when playing on the Road or at Neutral Sites from both the Regular Season and Playoffs + NC? You're gonna have to come up with a much better excuse than that one.

And deflecting to winning at Home doesn't help the situation here, this is proof that if we ever have to play on the road in the playoffs chances are we are probably screwed based on the Data, this also ties into the problem of being unable to beat MSU, once again take the "In State Rival" out of it.

They are a Top Conference Opponent that we HAVE to play every single year and will more often then not be competing with for top Playoff Seeds. We are 2-6 against them since Bobby came back, we need to improve one (winning on the road vs winning teams) to help improve the other (beating MSU) to ensure we have home field advantage through the playoffs. If we aren't at home as the Data suggests we're not winning in the Postseason.

You're preaching to the choir here as those of us who get it, well we get it. But the people who don't get it don't want to get it.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Everything about WaGRIZ is the envy of every fcs program. And frankly all but a couple of P4 programs.

It depends on if you're talking about the facilities or the team itself. And if you include the fan base with the facilities then that adds a different dimension. UM has the best facilities and fan base in FCS, hands down but I think you and the other poster are having a bit of an apples to oranges discussion.

 

[5280Griz]

Increasing the ratio of students would be a terrible idea because it would raise the other ticket prices exponentially and at some point people would quit coming. Plus there's only a certain percentage of students that you can manage to get involved and show up.

Yeah I wasn’t saying we should try to emulate ASU. Just using them as an example to show UM has a relatively low student to season ticket holder ratio.

 

[5280Griz]

Everything about WaGRIZ is the envy of every fcs program. And frankly all but a couple of P4 programs.

Yeah I meant as a fan I care more about winning championships or being close than the facilities which those other 4 fanbases have won or been closer to winning a championship more recently. I agree WaGriz is the best FCS stadium by far and has the best fans. It can even be jarring watching road games with less than 10,000 fans in stadiums that resemble nice high school stadiums in comparison to watching home games at WaGriz.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

How is it selective when it's the entirety of Bobby's Record from his 2.0 stint when playing on the Road or at Neutral Sites from both the Regular Season and Playoffs + NC? You're gonna have to come up with a much better excuse than that one.

I think in reality, this isn't only a BH2.0 issue. For the most part, it is a Griz football issue.

 

[THE BETCH]

So what do you think Basket, should we move up?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So what do you think Basket, should we move up?

Think this is more sarcasm than serious, but the answer is yes.

 

[WildhorseGriz]

Yeah I meant as a fan I care more about winning championships or being close than the facilities which those other 4 fanbases have won or been closer to winning a championship more recently. I agree WaGriz is the best FCS stadium by far and has the best fans. It can even be jarring watching road games with less than 10,000 fans in stadiums that resemble nice high school stadiums in comparison to watching home games at WaGriz.

...really isn't that what sets WaGriz stadium the best in the FCS...not so much the coaching
staff, the uniforms , the players but the fanbase ....to be honest it would pretty much look
like any other of other facilities with less people...an empty stadium is not that attractive...the
most talked about is the stadium atmosphere .....as long as the fanbase keeps coming out WaGriz
will still be at the top of FCS football.. .. a good winning program always does help..

 

[5280Griz]

...really isn't that what sets WaGriz stadium the best in the FCS...not so much the coaching
staff, the uniforms , the players but the fanbase ....to be honest it would pretty much look
like any other of other facilities with less people...an empty stadium is not that attractive...the
most talked about is the stadium atmosphere .....as long as the fanbase keeps coming out WaGriz
will still be at the top of FCS football.. .. a good winning program always does help..

In my opinion WaGriz is the best FCS stadium and the Fargodome is the second best. The stadiums themselves are comparable to an average group of 5 team. The fans are what takes the experience to the next level.

 

[SinCityGriz2005]

well said....I tried to say something like this...yes, Griz still have the old flip-phone...years back
it was the hottest thing on the market.

Hey... flip phone activate!

 

[Colter_Nuanez56]

Marquee road wins? I did JMU in 08.

Oh my bad, I did forget Idaho in 23. Booby Hack has a 5.25% win pct in important road games

Prob only thing we can agree on is that Pflu got snowed by Pat Williams via Engstrom, it was too bad. Everett supported… thought Engstrom was “smart as a whip”.

Good teams and coaches can win on the road. It is a symptom of excellence, which is the goal.

BTW, did you let Robin know you were badmouthing his deceased friend and his family at Christmas on an FCS message board?

You guys made me go down the rabbit hole on this one. In this exercise, "Big games" are considered either road games against ranked opponents, rivalry games (Idaho, MSU) or both. Also included FBS games (mostly because the Washington win is one of Montana's best ever) and the 4 national championship game losses as well.

Bobby Hauck on the road in his 14 seasons leading UM.

2003 - 3-2 on the road; 9-4 overall

Big road games – at No. 15 NAU (59-21 win), at Montana State (27-20 loss), at No. 21 Idaho State (43-40 loss)

Big games on the road – 1-2


2004 – 2-3 on the road; 0-1 neutral site; 12-3 record overall.
Big road games – at Sam Houston (41-29 loss;; at Portland State (35-32 loss). At No. 23 EWU – 31-28 win.

National championship – lost 31-21 to James Madison

Big Games away from Missoula – 1-3


2005 – 3-3 on the road; 8-4 record overall

Big road games – at Oregon (47-14 loss); at No. 25 Idaho State (32-10 win); at No. 22 Montana State (16-6 loss).

Big road games – 0-3


2006 – 4-1 on the road; 12-2 overall

Big Games – at No. 14 Portland State (26-20 win); at Weber State (33-30 win);

Big road games – 2-0


2007 - 4-0 on the road

Big Games – at Montana State (41-20)

Big road game record - 1-0


2008 – 5-2 on the road; 14-2 overall

Big road games – at No. 11 Cal Poly (30-28 win); at Weber State (45-28 loss); at No. 23 Eastern Washington (19-3 win); at No. 1 James Madison (35-27 win)

Lost in Natty 24-7 to Richmond.

Big road games including natty – 3-2

2009 – 5-0 on the road; 14-1 overall

Big games – at No. 23 Montana State (33-19 win); national championship – 21-19 loss to Villanova


Bobby 1.0 in BIG road games: 9-12 after winning 7 of last 8 (other than 2 natties) to finish.


HAUCK 2.0

2018 – 3-2 on the road, 6-5 overall

Big road games – At No. 17 Cal Poly (48-28 loss); at North Dakota (41-14 loss); at Idaho (46-27 win)

Big road games record – 1-2

2019 – 2-4 on the road, 10-4 overall

Big road Games – at Oregon (35-3 loss); at UC Davis (45-20 win); at No. 15 Sac State (49-22 loss); at Montana State (48-14 loss); at Weber State in playoffs (17-10 loss;

Big road games record – ( including Oregon) – 1-4

2021 – 3-3 on the road, 10-3 overall

Big road games – at Washington (13-7 win); at No. 6 EWU (34-28 loss); at Idaho (34-1 win); at James Madison (28-6 loss)

Big road games record — 2-2

2022 – 2-4 on the road; 8-5 overall

Big road games – at No. 2 Sac Steate (31-24 loss in OT); At No. 5 Weber State (24-21 loss); at No. 3 Montana State (55-21 loss); at NDSU (49-26 loss).

Big road games record 0-4.


2023 – 4-2 on the road; 13-2 overall

Big road games – at No. 20 UC Davis (31-23 win); at No. 3 Idaho (23-21 win); Natty – South Dakota State (23-3 loss).

Big games – 2-1


2024 – 3-3 on the road; 9-5 overall

Big road games – at UND (27-24 loss); at No. 2 Montana State (34-11 loss); at South Dakota State (35-18 loss);

Big Road game record - 0-3

2025 – 4-1 on the road; 13-2 overall.

Big road games – at Sac State (49-35 win); at Montana State 48-23 loss

Big road games – 1-1

Hauck 2.0 – 7-19 in "big road games".

Hauck 1.0 on the road overall - 26-11, including 9-12 in Big games, 0-3 in national title games included

Hauck 2.0 on the road overall - 21-19

Hauck overall on the road at Montana - 47-30 (.610 win percentage).

Hauck in "big" road games overall - 16-31 (.341 win percentage)


No idea where that stacks up compared to most coaches and they success on the road against ranked opponents with such a large sample size.

In 26 years as a head coach, Nick Saban won .684 percent of his games on the road and .890 at home. He won .803 overall, compiling 274 overall victories.

 

[5280Griz]

You guys made me go down the rabbit hole on this one. In this exercise, "Big games" are considered either road games against ranked opponents, rivalry games (Idaho, MSU) or both. Also included FBS games (mostly because the Washington win is one of Montana's best ever) and the 4 national championship game losses as well.

Bobby Hauck on the road in his 14 seasons leading UM.

2003 - 3-2 on the road; 9-4 overall

Big road games – at No. 15 NAU (59-21 win), at Montana State (27-20 loss), at No. 21 Idaho State (43-40 loss)

Big games on the road – 1-2


2004 – 2-3 on the road; 0-1 neutral site; 12-3 record overall.
Big road games – at Sam Houston (41-29 loss;; at Portland State (35-32 loss). At No. 23 EWU – 31-28 win.

National championship – lost 31-21 to James Madison

Big Games away from Missoula – 1-3


2005 – 3-3 on the road; 8-4 record overall

Big road games – at Oregon (47-14 loss); at No. 25 Idaho State (32-10 win); at No. 22 Montana State (16-6 loss).

Big road games – 0-3


2006 – 4-1 on the road; 12-2 overall

Big Games – at No. 14 Portland State (26-20 win); at Weber State (33-30 win);

Big road games – 2-0


2007 - 4-0 on the road

Big Games – at Montana State (41-20)

Big road game record - 1-0


2008 – 5-2 on the road; 14-2 overall

Big road games – at No. 11 Cal Poly (30-28 win); at Weber State (45-28 loss); at No. 23 Eastern Washington (19-3 win); at No. 1 James Madison (35-27 win)

Lost in Natty 24-7 to Richmond.

Big road games including natty – 3-2

2009 – 5-0 on the road; 14-1 overall

Big games – at No. 23 Montana State (33-19 win); national championship – 21-19 loss to Villanova


Bobby 1.0 in BIG road games: 9-12 after winning 7 of last 8 (other than 2 natties) to finish.


HAUCK 2.0

2018 – 3-2 on the road, 6-5 overall

Big road games – At No. 17 Cal Poly (48-28 loss); at North Dakota (41-14 loss); at Idaho (46-27 win)

Big road games record – 1-2

2019 – 2-4 on the road, 10-4 overall

Big road Games – at Oregon (35-3 loss); at UC Davis (45-20 win); at No. 15 Sac State (49-22 loss); at Montana State (48-14 loss); at Weber State in playoffs (17-10 loss;

Big road games record – ( including Oregon) – 1-4

2021 – 3-3 on the road, 10-3 overall

Big road games – at Washington (13-7 win); at No. 6 EWU (34-28 loss); at Idaho (34-1 win); at James Madison (28-6 loss)

Big road games record — 2-2

2022 – 2-4 on the road; 8-5 overall

Big road games – at No. 2 Sac Steate (31-24 loss in OT); At No. 5 Weber State (24-21 loss); at No. 3 Montana State (55-21 loss); at NDSU (49-26 loss).

Big road games record 0-4.


2023 – 4-2 on the road; 13-2 overall

Big road games – at No. 20 UC Davis (31-23 win); at No. 3 Idaho (23-21 win); Natty – South Dakota State (23-3 loss).

Big games – 2-1


2024 – 3-3 on the road; 9-5 overall

Big road games – at UND (27-24 loss); at No. 2 Montana State (34-11 loss); at South Dakota State (35-18 loss);

Big Road game record - 0-3

2025 – 4-1 on the road; 13-2 overall.

Big road games – at Sac State (49-35 win); at Montana State 48-23 loss

Big road games – 1-1

Hauck 2.0 – 7-19 in "big road games".

Hauck 1.0 on the road overall - 26-11, including 9-12 in Big games, 0-3 in national title games included

Hauck 2.0 on the road overall - 21-19

Hauck overall on the road at Montana - 47-30 (.610 win percentage).

Hauck in "big" road games overall - 16-31 (.341 win percentage)


No idea where that stacks up compared to most coaches and they success on the road against ranked opponents with such a large sample size.

In 26 years as a head coach, Nick Saban won .684 percent of his games on the road and .890 at home. He won .803 overall, compiling 274 overall victories.

If you are including Nick Saban’s time at Michigan State you should include Bobby Hauck’s time at UNLV. Both had institutional disadvantages that they did not have at Alabama/LSU and UM. To include all the schools coached for one and not the other is disingenuous.

 

[Kobezoey]

We’ve been scheduling pretty good home and home series. UND is in the upper echelon of MVFC teams.

I believe the best out of conference schedule we have had in some time was in 2019. That was a real turning point year for the program. Very tough strength of schedule year in '19, and awesome competition and talent within the conference for sure. Seems like each year since then, the strength of schedule has been quite a bit weaker and even the conference seems to have dropped a bit in the level of actual talent. May just be a perception on that part, but the strength of schedule definitely went down over the past 5 years.

 

[5280Griz]

I believe the best out of conference schedule we have had in some time was in 2019. That was a real turning point year for the program. Very tough strength of schedule year in '19, and awesome competition and talent within the conference for sure. Seems like each year since then, the strength of schedule has been quite a bit weaker and even the conference seems to have dropped a bit in the level of actual talent. May just be a perception on that part, but the strength of schedule definitely went down over the past 5 years.

We scheduled a home and home with UND which is one of the top MVFC programs the past 2 seasons.

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

So here’s what I think is being missed and something that the boomers on this board don’t understand. Modern football is akin to selling a product. One of the biggest killers of any once great company is lack of innovation and complacency.

Our football product and athletics department in general is so stale it’s an absolute shame. We seriously still play a Jay-Z song as our run out? How many times can we drag out our throwback colors and brag about the 95 chipper?

Imagine AT&T deciding to double down on land line phones in the late 90’s instead of revamping as an internet and mobile provider? That is exactly what Griz athletics and football under Haslam and Hauck 2.0 have become.

You don’t hire the old guard to innovate and bring you into the modern era. You do what MSU has done the past 15 years. At this point Vigens selling the new iPhone while Hauck and Haslam are convinced they can still make their quarter hawking Sky-tel pagers.

I like the Public Enemy song though

 

[mthoopsfan]

I thought you were ignoring me and I was supposed to ignore you.

But if you really really want my opinion, here it is:

1. pretty much all the crap you get from other people, you bring on yourself by the things you say to them. I could go back and find 20 posts in the last couple of weeks where you're calling people bad fans, stupid, clueless idiots, and pussies (which is a word that I personally find very offensive. But I mostly just ignore it and don't say anything.)
2. Beyond that, I'm confused that you're even pointing out this post from him since it's lame and was just part of a general back and forth banter you were already having (see point number one).
3. I also find it interesting that while I did not mention any names in my previous post, you immediately assumed that it was about you. I wonder why that is... Maybe you need to do some self-reflection instead of attacking people all the time for simply posting their opinions.

I don’t look much at your posts these days. I flipped this one to you because you seem to be fine with posters coming after me but don’t like my responding. If you liked at all or most of the things you cite, you would see that I am mostly responding. My responses have soft language.

The word hypocrite comes to mind when I think of you. You are just sore because I’ve pointed out that you’ve gotten negative in recent years.

Isn’t a pussy a cat? But hey lady, happy to keep pointing out when yiunare a negative or a hypocrite.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Best game day atmosphere. Everyone would love that. Did you watch the ISU vs Villanova game? What a joke!! And you finished ahead of all the Dakota's. I appreciate ya'll having high standards and you should. Just keeping it in perspective.

Easy for you and me, and others to see, but UM, or egriz, has a lot of negative and bad fans and Hauck haters.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don’t look much at your posts these days. I flipped this one to you because you seem to be fine with posters coming after me but don’t like my responding. If you liked at all or most of the things you cite, you would see that I am mostly responding. My responses have soft language.

The word hypocrite comes to mind when I think of you. You are just sore because I’ve pointed out that you’ve gotten negative in recent years.

Isn’t a pussy a cat? But hey lady, happy to keep pointing out when yiunare a negative or a hypocrite.

• “The term evolved from "puss" (cat) to "pussycat," then developed into meanings for both female genitalia and, through association with "scaredy-cat," a term for a timid person, particularly a man”
  
  I use the term as puss (cat) and pussy-cat. I guess I have a dirty mind like you, I guess.
  
  

 

[mthoopsfan]

The Griz had a slow, unprepared start. Bobby himself called it atrocious with MSU jumping to a 20-3 lead. Our coaches also failed to make adjustments in the game. Montana’s defense was overwhelmed by MSU’s rushing attack and the coaches didn’t make the necessary in game adjustments.

I know what the scores were. I asked for specific coaching problems or mistakes. I knew you had nothing. Yes, bad start. Then took 23-20 lead. There were good adjustments for that. Then, gave up 3TD’s in 5.5 minutes. Coaching must have turned bad for that 5 minutes. Is that your view?

 

[5280Griz]

I know what the scores were. I asked for specific coaching problems or mistakes. I knew you had nothing. Yes, bad start. Then took 23-20 lead. There were good adjustments for that. Then, gave up 3TD’s in 5.5 minutes. Coaching must have turned bad for that 5 minutes. Is that your view?

What do you think caused the slow start that was described as atrocious? It would usually be coaching.