Griz Football Product

[argh!]

so i get to join you in your box? oh joy.

 

[Cowboys84]

Who’s driving?

Hopefully neither..

 

[5280Griz]

Speaking of JD Quinn, can we add a 305 pound offensive lineman from a school like Oklahoma in the portal? I think that could help our team out a lot, especially if they play center.

 

[right.right.right…]

I agree with much of what you said. But improving the music isn’t going to do any of the things others have suggested. The crowd is great at Griz games. Way better and louder than in Bozeman. UM is an exciting game day experience. Advertising and NIL doesn’t come from people or kids who would enjoy better music. Big NIL comes from a smaller group who are like me and don’t care about the music. Many are in the boxes and canyon club and can’t hear or don’t listen to much of the music. The ones on the sidelines aren’t there to listen to the music. I can’t imagine advertisers gear their advertising to the music.

well you guys apparently aren’t that rich given the state of our NIL. Or maybe you guys don’t believe in Hauck? Idk.

It’s the 26k people who show up to every game that carry this program forward. That crowd and that energy overshadows our football team at the national level.

 

[406football]

Do you think relying on the portal so heavily is sustainable in the long run, or maybe once you commit to it, is it now a necessity?

There’s really only 2 reasons why kids enter the portal: playing time and money. Trying to win the portal game every year is fools gold. High school is still the meat and potatoes of recruiting and building a sustainable program for the long haul.

 

[Wolf777]

well you guys apparently aren’t that rich given the state of our NIL. Or maybe you guys don’t believe in Hauck? Idk.

It’s the 26k people who show up to every game that carry this program forward. That crowd and that energy overshadows our football team at the national level.

So what ratio should it be?

 

[mthoopsfan]

The data doesn't lie and all I have done is gather it and present it, now if that upsets you then it's definitely a personal problem of your own making.

You didn't provide all the data, so your data is incomplete. You were selective. You didn't list many good road wins over those years. You tended to just list the last games played, which in the playoffs are always losses unless the team wins the national championship. Those aren't all of the big games, or big road games, each season.

 

[5280Griz]

You didn't provide all the data, so your data is incomplete. You were selective. You didn't list many good road wins over those years. You tended to just list the last games played, which in the playoffs are always losses unless the team wins the national championship. Those aren't all of the big games, or big road games, each season.

He actually included every road game over those years. It is a personal opinion which ones you want to filter out to be the big games. He also sorted it by which opponents had a winning record at the end of the season, in case people want to use that as the barometer to determine if it was a big game or not.

 

[mthoopsfan]

13 wins is fantastic! I freely admit that my attitude about it has been completely colored by the cat losses. Like I said before, I believe they have a higher level of importance for many reasons. I also see that the programs stated goals of conference championship, beating the cats, and national championship were not achieved. That is the “not perfect” part of your statement.

13-2 records and being #3 in the nation are fantastic accomplishments. But there is unfinished business.

Then, why didn't you say or admit that earlier. That's absolutely correct. No one would disagree that there is unfinished business. There is virtually every year, someone's more than others.

Some of you can let the Cat losses overwhelm your views, but I'm not that way. After any loss including the Cats, I move on fairly quickly. It's over. It's in the record books. It can't be changed. That doesn't mean the loss doesn't have to be analyzed carefully, because of course it does (and it is).

I still haven't seen one thing about exactly what needs to be fixed that looked right or made sense to me. Ya ya, general statements, but what specifically? Firing Hauck or Haslam would be ridiculous, stupid and counterproductive. I don't know any specific negative things on the strength coach and have heard good things about the program from players over the years. In any event, a new strength coach might start to improve things, but that's not a big fix. If some position coach isn't doing his job, then figure that out. Changing the base D isn't going to solve all problems, and it would probably cause the D to go backwards for awhile. I don't care what D the Griz play, but I like the flexibility and dynamics of the 3-3-5, and I know the Griz modify it for specific opponents including the Cats.

And the argument that a 3-3-5 can't beat a big top running game is wrong. UM beats the Dakota and MV schools more often than not. And the Cats didn't beat UM this season because of their running game. It was the Cat QB making plays, the Cats making some big plays (and having some ball bounces), and the Griz making too many mistakes and not making enough plays, in my view.

 

[right.right.right…]

Do you think relying on the portal so heavily is sustainable in the long run, or maybe once you commit to it, is it now a necessity?

In the long run? It’s already unsustainable. Don’t tell anyone (but the NIL account is not performing). It’s private info.

 

[mthoopsfan]

He actually included every road game over those years. It is a personal opinion which ones you want to filter out to be the big games. He also sorted it by which opponents had a winning record at the end of the season, in case people want to use that as the barometer to determine if it was a big game or not.

I don't agree with what he sorted out. That's why I don't agree with his stats. I don't agree with much of what he says or does. Also, there is no way that he can recall which games were the biggest over the years. And winning big home games is also very important. At the end of the day, it's how many games you win, not where you win.

 

[Hulapoops]

I don't agree with what he sorted out. That's why I don't agree with his stats. I don't agree with much of what he says or does. Also, there is no way that he can recall which games were the biggest over the years. And winning big home games is also very important. At the end of the day, it's how many games you win, not where you win.

If you want to ever reach the pinnacle you have to know how to win big road games. Booby is a mediocre coach, will never reach the top tier. Hoops doesn’t know ball… thinks the Wing T would still work.

 

[Hulapoops]

If you want to ever reach the pinnacle you have to know how to win big road games. Booby is a mediocre coach, will never reach the top tier. Hoops doesn’t know ball… thinks the Wing T would still work.

But to be clear, he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Forced a bunch of the cheerleaders to come “party” with him. Several kids in attendance.

 

[bobcatfan123]

Kids who might attend UM most certainly go to the games, as do their friends and families. I didn’t say that music is the key to success. This is evidenced by the fact that I didn’t say it.

A lot of the students at msu aren’t there for the academics. It’s one of the things I hate most about that institution. They have been very effective at marketing the ‘experience’ of Bozeman, msu etc. But those kids pay tuition (or their parents do) and a lot of them pay the premium out of state tuition. UM has not been as effective at marketing or appealing to high school kids as msu. Will better music at football games alone fix this? Certainly not. But blasting old, weird Kid Rock at games doesn’t help anything.

Absolutely correct. And to be clear, I enjoy watching the Griz program—this isn’t meant as smack talk.

That said, MSU has clearly done a better job of intentionally tailoring their GameDay experience to college students. It feels energetic, modern, and designed with the understanding that young people drive much of the stadium energy and are the future of the program.

I mentioned this earlier, but it still blows my mind that UM continues to run out behind the same inflatable helmet. In the Mecca of FCS football… an inflatable helmet. It just feels like a missed opportunity to do something more unique, more memorable, and more aligned with the stature of the program.
MSU has also fully embraced social media and digital branding in a way that connects with younger fans.

Meanwhile, Missoula literally has a Social Media Marketing major and the most prestigious film program in the state. Why wouldn’t the university be leveraging those students and resources to engage youth, recruits, and future fans on the platforms they actually live on?

Not trying to be a jerk—this is just low-hanging fruit. These are changes that don’t require better football, bigger budgets, or winning more games—just intention.

 

['68griz]

I realize tailoring the game day experience to college age people may be one way of creating “the experience,” recognizing that they are the future of the program. But, who is paying the way right now, today, this season? If the middle-agers and up aren’t happy with the game day experience, who is going to buy the season tickets and the fancy enclosed seats with all the perks? I admit I am one of the oldies, but I have paid my dues for 40+ years, and I think my voice needs to heard and honored as well.

 

[bobcatfan123]

I realize tailoring the game day experience to college age people may be one way of creating “the experience,” recognizing that they are the future of the program. But, who is paying the way right now, today, this season? If the middle-agers and up aren’t happy with the game day experience, who is going to buy the season tickets and the fancy enclosed seats with all the perks? I admit I am one of the oldies, but I have paid my dues for 40+ years, and I think my voice needs to heard and honored as well.

The “Middle agers” like us are not going anywhere. We already bought in and plan on spending Saturdays watching football. What else you have to do? You got a big day at Home Depot or something?

 

[5280Griz]

The “Middle agers” like us are not going anywhere. We already bought in and plan on spending Saturdays watching football. What else you have to do? You got a big day at Home Depot or something?

They could choose to watch it on tv instead of going to the game.

 

[mthoopsfan]

If you want to ever reach the pinnacle you have to know how to win big road games. Booby is a mediocre coach, will never reach the top tier. Hoops doesn’t know ball… thinks the Wing T would still work.

Hauck has been at the pinnacle multiple times but not won yet. He won the big road games in each of those years, but lost in a neutral site. He’s a terrific coach.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Absolutely correct. And to be clear, I enjoy watching the Griz program—this isn’t meant as smack talk.

That said, MSU has clearly done a better job of intentionally tailoring their GameDay experience to college students. It feels energetic, modern, and designed with the understanding that young people drive much of the stadium energy and are the future of the program.

I mentioned this earlier, but it still blows my mind that UM continues to run out behind the same inflatable helmet. In the Mecca of FCS football… an inflatable helmet. It just feels like a missed opportunity to do something more unique, more memorable, and more aligned with the stature of the program.
MSU has also fully embraced social media and digital branding in a way that connects with younger fans.

Meanwhile, Missoula literally has a Social Media Marketing major and the most prestigious film program in the state. Why wouldn’t the university be leveraging those students and resources to engage youth, recruits, and future fans on the platforms they actually live on?

Not trying to be a jerk—this is just low-hanging fruit. These are changes that don’t require better football, bigger budgets, or winning more games—just intention.

Most of the fans at Griz games aren't the younger crowd and certainly not college kids. UM's stadium, noise and crowd are driven by those older, and much older, than college kids. You probably have never been to Griz stadium. UM's game-day atmosphere is much better than MSU's. Much louder and bigger crowd. Knowledgeable.

 

[bobcatfan123]

They could choose to watch it on tv instead of going to the game.

This kinda proves my point more than anything. That was a reference from the movie “Old School” which came out 20 years ago. The average member of this board is so old that they don’t even catch on to references that are older than the athletes.