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The value of a successful football team / visible football coach to your campus

I think the biggest difference between the two programs recently is Hauck relying more and more on the portal and Vigen minimizing portal recruits and continuing to recruit youngsters and developing them over time to compete. I know in my mind what seems to work best.

Yes, Vigen has definitely deemphasied the portal with Lamson, Davis and Long, all three from the portal and all three insignificant contributors to MSU's success while our QB Keali'i Ah Yat and RB Eli Gilman are youngsters that we developed over time to compete so you make a really valid point ... or do you ?
 
I think the biggest difference between the two programs recently is Hauck relying more and more on the portal and Vigen minimizing portal recruits and continuing to recruit youngsters and developing them over time to compete. I know in my mind what seems to work best.

The biggest difference between the two programs is defense. Let’s be clear, the saying that defense wins championships is absolutely correct. Lamson is a very good QB and the Cats offense is top level. Beatable? Definitely. Especially is you have some guys up front that can shut down the run. Recruiting is a problem and because of in state players? Maybe or maybe not. Unless the Griz whiffed on a couple of big DT’s it probably isn’t. The lines and the defensive scheme are the problem. It’s the difference in both games where the Griz lost.
 
He certainly leans on tradition additionally by having complete dinosaurs on his coaching staff. Prehistoric legacy even
I think some of us need to realize that this is a new era of college football that is morphing more into the NFL model than the old college model we are used to. MSU has the old college model nailed down. Bobby has positioned the Griz for the new NIL/NFL model. Let's see where this goes for this year.
 
The biggest difference between the two programs is defense. Let’s be clear, the saying that defense wins championships is absolutely correct. Lamson is a very good QB and the Cats offense is top level. Beatable? Definitely. Especially is you have some guys up front that can shut down the run. Recruiting is a problem and because of in state players? Maybe or maybe not. Unless the Griz whiffed on a couple of big DT’s it probably isn’t. The lines and the defensive scheme are the problem. It’s the difference in both games where the Griz lost.
Yet Illinois State runs a similar scheme with 3 DL with their hands in the dirt. Yes, they have 4 LBs and we have 3 with a hybrid LB/S. Last I checked, Illinois State's defense put their offense and, more specifically, their special teams in a position to win the natty. It's not the scheme, it's the size of the players in the scheme. We need more DL guys who are 290 - 310 with the same level of quickness or quicker.
 
I had a buddy connect me with the Joe Pomp pod, which was tough for me at first as a GFP'er to see a 10 or 12 minute episode and think you can really get much out of it :ROFLMAO: . However, his pod is great for a quick hit on something, and the one he did the other day was on the value of Curt Cignetti to Indiana.

It's a paid subscription on his substack: https://huddleup.substack.com/p/curt-cignetti-is-the-most-valuable

He summarizes it well in a long tweet:
You can also search "Joe Pomp Podcast" in any podcast app and it'll pop up and that's free to listen to

It boils down to this, like it or not;

1. Football and football SUCCESS is the front door to introducing college to prospective student

2. A visible, connected, and engaged football coach brings in higher dollar donors.

3. Football success = more out of state applicants = incredible growth in tuition dollars

4. Growth in attendance / tuition dollars = more money for research, academics, and programs.
Thanks for posting this Brint! Sorry about your Packers in the devastating loss last night. You have not had a good football year.

Seth Bodnar and Kent Haslam need to see this. If everyone could email, fax, snail mail, tweet, instagram, facebook it to them, they might finally read one of them. At the very least they would understand that we are paying attention.
 
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So true. Due to recency bias, people like to bring up the leadership of Crudzado, while forgetting that George Dennison oversaw record increases in enrollment, numerous campus construction projects and at the time one of the greatest fundraising campaigns in university history.
George Dennison was a Montana boy through and through. He had deep connections to the state and everyone knew his name. How many people outside of Missoula and the Montana community know Seth's name by heart?
 
George Dennison was a Montana boy through and through. He had deep connections to the state and everyone knew his name. How many people outside of Missoula and the Montana community know Seth's name by heart?

He honestly creeps me out a little bit. Seems so inauthentic.

Literally only here because of his wife.
 
Yet Illinois State runs a similar scheme with 3 DL with their hands in the dirt. Yes, they have 4 LBs and we have 3 with a hybrid LB/S. Last I checked, Illinois State's defense put their offense and, more specifically, their special teams in a position to win the natty. It's not the scheme, it's the size of the players in the scheme. We need more DL guys who are 290 - 310 with the same level of quickness or quicker.
I won’t argue with your post or contention. I agree. ISU had the personnel to compete. The Griz did not both on the d line and in the secondary. Yeah, secondary had some bad luck and injuries. Every team has to deal with that. Get more dudes and get bigger dudes. One thing I will argue with is the base being a 3/3/5. It shouldn’t be and they tried different schemes during the second Griz/Cat game. To your point, it doesn’t matter cause they don’t have the dudes. Portal so far doesn’t look like anything is going to change. I hope I am wrong and they have some big DT’s waiting in the wings. Bobby thinks speed wins against size apparently. It doesn’t if the record books are correct. He is getting his ass handed to him by the team across the divide. Adapt or lose. It really is that simple. It’s on the head coach. The players do the best they can with the scheme they operate within. I remember talking with a DE who played under Stitt who had just graduated. He was simply perplexed with Hauck’s defensive philosophy. Was Stitt a genius or good coach? You can argue that all day long. Hauck’s in the same boat now. Playing field has been leveled. The players are his recruits. Scheme is his. Staff is all his. Results worse than Hauck 1.0 when he had some advantages.
 
I met and talked with Royce at a tailgate. Not Mr enthusiasm, but not fake. He was real about the situation.
The university consistently dropped enrollment with Royce Engstrom and had negative press. The university has gained enrollment without negative press with Bodnar. That is what I was referring to rather than their personalities.
 
I won’t argue with your post or contention. I agree. ISU had the personnel to compete. The Griz did not both on the d line and in the secondary. Yeah, secondary had some bad luck and injuries. Every team has to deal with that. Get more dudes and get bigger dudes. One thing I will argue with is the base being a 3/3/5. It shouldn’t be and they tried different schemes during the second Griz/Cat game. To your point, it doesn’t matter cause they don’t have the dudes.
Smaller guys can defeat power running teams but they have to have long arms and an exceptionally explosive first step and be able to rip or violently explode their hands into the OL to get them off balance so the OL can't get their mitts on 'em and hold 'em.
 
Smaller guys can defeat power running teams but they have to have long arms and an exceptionally explosive first step and be able to rip or violently explode their hands into the OL to get them off balance so the OL can't get their mitts on 'em and hold 'em.
Do the guys on the Griz have long arms and an exceptionally explosive first step in your opinion?
 
The university consistently dropped enrollment with Royce Engstrom and had negative press. The university has gained enrollment without negative press with Bodnar. That is what I was referring to rather than their personalities.

Not saying I supported Royce. We definitely disagreed when we talked. But he engaged, pushed back. I hate what he did to UM. But I respected that he was out in the tailgates engaging with anlumni after firing Pflu and ODay. Takes some balls.
 
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