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The value of a successful football team / visible football coach to your campus

BWahlberg

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I had a buddy connect me with the Joe Pomp pod, which was tough for me at first as a GFP'er to see a 10 or 12 minute episode and think you can really get much out of it :ROFLMAO: . However, his pod is great for a quick hit on something, and the one he did the other day was on the value of Curt Cignetti to Indiana.

It's a paid subscription on his substack: https://huddleup.substack.com/p/curt-cignetti-is-the-most-valuable

He summarizes it well in a long tweet:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2009292092221030407

You can also search "Joe Pomp Podcast" in any podcast app and it'll pop up and that's free to listen to

It boils down to this, like it or not;

1. Football and football SUCCESS is the front door to introducing college to prospective student

2. A visible, connected, and engaged football coach brings in higher dollar donors.

3. Football success = more out of state applicants = incredible growth in tuition dollars

4. Growth in attendance / tuition dollars = more money for research, academics, and programs.
 
BWahlberg said:
I had a buddy connect me with the Joe Pomp pod, which was tough for me at first as a GFP'er to see a 10 or 12 minute episode and think you can really get much out of it :ROFLMAO: . However, his pod is great for a quick hit on something, and the one he did the other day was on the value of Curt Cignetti to Indiana.

It's a paid subscription on his substack: https://huddleup.substack.com/p/curt-cignetti-is-the-most-valuable

He summarizes it well in a long tweet:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2009292092221030407

You can also search "Joe Pomp Podcast" in any podcast app and it'll pop up and that's free to listen to

It boils down to this, like it or not;

1. Football and football SUCCESS is the front door to introducing college to prospective student

2. A visible, connected, and engaged football coach brings in higher dollar donors.

3. Football success = more out of state applicants = incredible growth in tuition dollars

4. Growth in attendance / tuition dollars = more money for research, academics, and programs.
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What Mr. Pompliano described at IU is exactly what has happened at MSU.
 
Honestly, MSU under Vigen looks way more like what Cignetti is building at Indiana than UM does under Hauck—and it’s not just opinion, it’s facts.

  • Growth vs. Tradition: Vigen runs MSU like a CEO. His deal ties success to fundraising, ticket sales, playoff runs, and big-game scheduling. Hauck’s incentives lean toward maintaining tradition and steady wins. One is scaling, the other is sustaining.
  • Recruiting: Cignetti’s mantra is “production over potential” and “smart, tough, disciplined.” Vigen mirrors that and uses portal strategically. Hauck leans on legacy and culture, which works, but it’s not as aggressive.
  • Trajectory: Vigen has MSU in national championship territory, growing revenue, and modernizing the brand. Hauck has restored Montana’s dominance, but his approach feels more like keeping the train on the tracks than building a bullet train.
  • Right now, MSU is selling “be part of the new wave”—national titles, NFL development, and a program on the rise. UM sells tradition and history, which is powerful, but for a lot of recruits, the chance to join a program that’s trending up with hardware in hand is a huge draw.
MSU under Vigen looks way closer to Indiana under Cignetti—forward-thinking, aggressive, and growth-driven. Hauck is elite at preserving Montana’s legacy, but Vigen is pushing boundaries and scaling the program.
 
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406football said:
Honestly, MSU under Vigen looks way more like what Cignetti is building at Indiana than UM does under Hauck—and it’s not just opinion, it’s facts.

  • Growth vs. Tradition: Vigen runs MSU like a CEO. His deal ties success to fundraising, ticket sales, playoff runs, and big-game scheduling. Hauck’s incentives lean toward maintaining tradition and steady wins. One is scaling, the other is sustaining.
  • Recruiting: Cignetti’s mantra is “production over potential” and “smart, tough, disciplined.” Vigen mirrors that—he’s turned proven players into stars (Troy Andersen, Tommy Mellott) and uses the portal strategically. Hauck leans on legacy and culture, which works, but it’s not as aggressive.
  • Trajectory: Vigen has MSU in national championship territory, growing revenue, and modernizing the brand. Hauck has restored Montana’s dominance, but his approach feels more like keeping the train on the tracks than building a bullet train.
  • Right now, MSU is selling “be part of the new wave”—national titles, NFL development, and a program on the rise. UM sells tradition and history, which is powerful, but for a lot of recruits, the chance to join a program that’s trending up with hardware in hand is a huge draw.
MSU under Vigen looks way closer to Indiana under Cignetti—forward-thinking, aggressive, and growth-driven. Hauck is elite at preserving Montana’s legacy, but Vigen is pushing boundaries and scaling the program.
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yes and it's why the cats are national champs
 
BWahlberg said:
I had a buddy connect me with the Joe Pomp pod, which was tough for me at first as a GFP'er to see a 10 or 12 minute episode and think you can really get much out of it :ROFLMAO: . However, his pod is great for a quick hit on something, and the one he did the other day was on the value of Curt Cignetti to Indiana.

It's a paid subscription on his substack: https://huddleup.substack.com/p/curt-cignetti-is-the-most-valuable

He summarizes it well in a long tweet:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2009292092221030407

You can also search "Joe Pomp Podcast" in any podcast app and it'll pop up and that's free to listen to

It boils down to this, like it or not;

1. Football and football SUCCESS is the front door to introducing college to prospective student

2. A visible, connected, and engaged football coach brings in higher dollar donors.

3. Football success = more out of state applicants = incredible growth in tuition dollars

4. Growth in attendance / tuition dollars = more money for research, academics, and programs.
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are you seeing the lite ?
 
406football said:
Honestly, MSU under Vigen looks way more like what Cignetti is building at Indiana than UM does under Hauck—and it’s not just opinion, it’s facts.

  • Growth vs. Tradition: Vigen runs MSU like a CEO. His deal ties success to fundraising, ticket sales, playoff runs, and big-game scheduling. Hauck’s incentives lean toward maintaining tradition and steady wins. One is scaling, the other is sustaining.
  • Recruiting: Cignetti’s mantra is “production over potential” and “smart, tough, disciplined.” Vigen mirrors that and uses portal strategically. Hauck leans on legacy and culture, which works, but it’s not as aggressive.
  • Trajectory: Vigen has MSU in national championship territory, growing revenue, and modernizing the brand. Hauck has restored Montana’s dominance, but his approach feels more like keeping the train on the tracks than building a bullet train.
  • Right now, MSU is selling “be part of the new wave”—national titles, NFL development, and a program on the rise. UM sells tradition and history, which is powerful, but for a lot of recruits, the chance to join a program that’s trending up with hardware in hand is a huge draw.
MSU under Vigen looks way closer to Indiana under Cignetti—forward-thinking, aggressive, and growth-driven. Hauck is elite at preserving Montana’s legacy, but Vigen is pushing boundaries and scaling the program.
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You can’t say Bobby Hauck is elite at preserving Montana’s legacy unless you consider Montana’s legacy to be losing to MSU on the field and in MT high school recruiting. That is not Montana’s legacy.
 
brewskis said:
Curious about what you mean by this? Because I’m kind of drawing a blank. Recruiting Montana kids would be the #1 thing I’d consider being essential to a “Montana legacy”….but he’s certainly not elite at that anymore.
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What I meant by “preserving the legacy” is more about Hauck’s philosophy than results: he’s kept the traditional Griz identity—physical football, special teams emphasis, and a culture-first approach. That’s the formula that built the Griz brand in the 2000s. The problem? The execution hasn’t matched the ideal lately, and the landscape has changed. Hauck leans on tradition and loyalty, While MSU is innovating.

MSU is evolving faster and winning because of it.
 
406football said:
What I meant by “preserving the legacy” is more about Hauck’s philosophy than results: he’s kept the traditional Griz identity—physical football, special teams emphasis, and a culture-first approach. That’s the formula that built the Griz brand in the 2000s. The problem? The execution hasn’t matched the ideal lately, and the landscape has changed. Hauck leans on tradition and loyalty, While MSU is innovating.

MSU is evolving faster and winning because of it.
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He kept physical football as in his lines are being pushed off the ball by MSU?
 
5280Griz said:
He kept physical football as in his lines are being pushed off the ball by MSU?
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So preserving the legacy doesn’t mean he’s elite at it or that it’s working—it means he’s sticking to the traditional Griz blueprint rather than reinventing the program like Vigen has at MSU.
 
406football said:
What I meant by “preserving the legacy” is more about Hauck’s philosophy than results: he’s kept the traditional Griz identity—physical football, special teams emphasis, and a culture-first approach. That’s the formula that built the Griz brand in the 2000s. The problem? The execution hasn’t matched the ideal lately, and the landscape has changed. Hauck leans on tradition and loyalty, While MSU is innovating.

MSU is evolving faster and winning because of it.
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“Philosophy” definitely being the key word there.

The bobcats were the more physical team than the griz this year. The bobcats had a better special teams than the griz.

Bobby is certainly tough when he’s playing Portland state, central Washington, sacred heart, Weber, northern Colorado, or when he’s at a press conference or doing post game interviews. But from what i can tell all these intangibles that we cling to when we defend Bobby are being produced at a much higher level in Bozeman than in Missoula.
 
brewskis said:
“Philosophy” definitely being the key word there.

The bobcats were the more physical team than the griz this year. The bobcats had a better special teams than the griz.

Bobby is certainly tough when he’s playing Portland state, central Washington, sacred heart, Weber, northern Colorado, or when he’s at a press conference or doing post game interviews. But from what i can tell all these intangibles that we cling to when we defend Bobby are being produced at a much higher level in Bozeman than in Missoula.
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That's been my point . This is Haucks Philosophy. I am just trying to point out the difference in strategies. MSU clearly has a long term strategy and has executed in that.
 
406football said:
That's been my point . This is Haucks Philosophy. I am just trying to point out the difference in strategies. MSU clearly has a long term strategy and has executed in that.
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Right…..so I don’t think he can be considered “elite” at anything aside from beating up on overmatched and underfunded teams that nobody cares about. And even that is hovering right on the edge. We came insanely close to losing to eastern Washington, ISU, amd UND….who either all finished with losing records or didn’t make the playoffs.

If Gillman wasn’t breaking 50 tackles like a maniac we wouldn’t have had a bye in these playoffs.
 
Its most definitely true. Cats getting college gameday was a gut punch given our fan base put such effort into getting the brawl on the radar for it. But with the success of the championship game this year, it being in Nashville, the ABC broadcasts being extremely well viewed, we need championship success soon. Good momentum behind that game and the audience of it. Time to go! GO GRIZ 💪
 
brewskis said:
Right…..so I don’t think he can be considered “elite” at anything aside from beating up on overmatched and underfunded teams that nobody cares about. And even that is hovering right on the edge. We came insanely close to losing to eastern Washington, ISU, amd UND….who either all finished with losing records or didn’t make the playoffs.

If Gillman wasn’t breaking 50 tackles like a maniac we wouldn’t have had a bye in these playoffs.
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UND finished with a winning record and won their first playoff game 30-6 this season.
 
...matter of time before the Hauck Mafia shows up...if Um is going to
succeed where MSU is...there's some real rebranding that needs to take
place...Hauck represents the past successes not necessary someone that
has a vision to move it forward...they thought the Mecca facilities would be
enough to carry them but it's not... Hauck and the boys ( invited private party )
seems to be old, faithful and worn out...Game day experience has been pretty
much the same for 20 yrs..(since I've been a season ticket holder).

Yeah sold out crowds but eventually that's starts to fade without change...
Powers to be must put their heads together and innovate or get left behind by
your neighbors....if it means new faces well, MSU already has it going...they
are building on the momentum of being a National Champion...everyone feels
part....what is UM building on?...because were second..
 
406football said:
What I meant by “preserving the legacy” is more about Hauck’s philosophy than results: he’s kept the traditional Griz identity—physical football, special teams emphasis, and a culture-first approach. That’s the formula that built the Griz brand in the 2000s. The problem? The execution hasn’t matched the ideal lately, and the landscape has changed. Hauck leans on tradition and loyalty, While MSU is innovating.

MSU is evolving faster and winning because of it.
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He certainly leans on tradition additionally by having complete dinosaurs on his coaching staff. Prehistoric legacy even
 
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