Shafer hit vs Harper hit

[wbtfg]

Why are there so many Cat fans here? You are a week away from playing in the championship and you are spending your time on a Griz football message board, what is wrong with you? If there wasn’t already period that the Griz are living rent free in their head, look at all the Cats who would rather be on a Griz football page when the Cats are coming up on playing for the championship. If right now you would still rather read about the Griz than your own team that is never going to change.

Elite pivot

 

[mthoopsfan]

Colter Petre is a great kid. Extremely hard competitor and comes from a great family. This is a despicable post from a despicable guy. To hope injury on anyone shows exactly the kind of person that you are.

He could be the nicest person in the world, but it was still a dirty play/hit. Is he glad he hurt 84 like that?

 

[wbtfg]

Is he glad he hurt 84 like that?

He didn't celebrate it with the "go to sleep" gesture, if that's what you mean......

 

[5280Griz]

He could be the nicest person in the world, but it was still a dirty play/hit. Is he glad he hurt 84 like that?

I doubt any player is glad they caused a serious injury, these are still human beings out there.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Nope. Direct quote from Curran after saying how if he goes higher he either gets drug into the endzone, or too high he's kicked out of the game: "I don't know that that was a dirty hit, man, I think that was just where he had to go." No debate from Akem.

Even Curran didn't say that it wasn't a dirty hit. And Akem said nothing. I figured you were lying or exaggerating. Curran says he "doesn't know". He doesn't say it wasn't a dirty hit.

 

[grizfnz]

Not even close to the truth- watch video again.

He wasn’t leaning on trainers or stumbling as he left the field. Game replay shows him standing on the sideline with helmet on waiting for completion the mandatory play he had to sit due to “injured player clock stoppage” and he caught a pass on the very next play. He was either faking injury to get the play reviewed or Vigen and the entire medical/training staff were negligent in their duties to protect his health. Perhaps both are true.

 

[DiggerCat]

Even Curran didn't say that it wasn't a dirty hit. And Akem said nothing. I figured you were lying or exaggerating. Curran says he "doesn't know". He doesn't say it wasn't a dirty hit.

Meh, you're going to dissemble and obfuscate however you can but it's pretty clear in context that they had no problem with the tackle. People can listen to it themselves and decide who is "lying or exaggerating". It's certainly not worth arguing with you over.

 

[Oldskoolgriz]

MSU has some dirty players on defense and I'm not saying that because we lost. Both games we played them, they had defenders hip drop tackle our players. And the one on Brooks Davis was obvious. Not only is it illegal but they banned it for a reason because 9/10 times they tackle that way, you will hurt the player..

 

[Vamos Gatos Vamos]

F you. Your players are dirty.

Perhaps it's lost on you (once again) that I'm merely a fan, not a coach or AD, just a fan, so the MSU Bobcat football certainly isn't my team or my players. I'm also not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but does this definition based solely on your posts in this thread give you cause for pause? malignant narcissist : characterized by extreme self-importance, entitlement, constant need for admiration, plus a severe lack of empathy, manipulation, impulsivity, and disregard for rules/others' rights, leading them to exploit people for personal gain without remorse, seeking power, control, and gratification. You see, I may have never played the game, but there are games I've played that you're unprepared for.

 

[wbtfg]

MSU has some dirty players on defense and I'm not saying that because we lost. Both games we played them, they had defenders hip drop tackle our players. And the one on Brooks Davis was obvious. Not only is it illegal but they banned it for a reason because 9/10 times they tackle that way, you will hurt the player..

they banned the hip drop tackle in college football?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Meh, you're going to dissemble and obfuscate however you can but it's pretty clear in context that they had no problem with the tackle. People can listen to it themselves and decide who is "lying or exaggerating". It's certainly not worth arguing with you over.

You lied or exaggerated about what they said. Either admit it or go away.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Perhaps it's lost on you (once again) that I'm merely a fan, not a coach or AD, just a fan, so the MSU Bobcat football certainly isn't my team or my players. I'm also not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but does this definition based solely on your posts in this thread give you cause for pause? malignant narcissist : characterized by extreme self-importance, entitlement, constant need for admiration, plus a severe lack of empathy, manipulation, impulsivity, and disregard for rules/others' rights, leading them to exploit people for personal gain without remorse, seeking power, control, and gratification. You see, I may have never played the game, but there are games I've played that you're unprepared for.

It's called confident and secure in my life.

 

[nicktaber58]

Is it possible that both were snap decision plays made by defenders in the moment, neither intentionally dirty - but just reacting to make a play? Both with unfortunate outcomes for Montana.

This my exact point

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I hate the hit on Shafer, but it wasn't a penalty. Unlucky for Harper, but by rule, it was a penalty.

 

[mthoopsfan]

So you’re not saying he was trying to cause injury but you’re wishing injury on him? That makes it even worse.

I’ve been around this rivalry for many years. I strongly dislike all things griz. But I’ve never wished injury on a young man playing the game at UM and never would. I think you need to step back and take a break from being a douche for a while. Your posts are getting worse by the minute.

Get out of here. You are naive. People either openly or in secret wish for injuries of opponents frequently. Pro sports more openly. I learned during the days of my kids playing high school sports that parents on our team wished for inquires of kids playing in front of their kids. I assume that Karma will get some of these guys. The guy who hit 84 intentionally hit 84 in the knee, and caused huge injury. You can can complain and whine all you want, but wishing for injuries is frequent. I really don't like that hit in particular. In the NFL, that kid would be targeted in future games. Not saying he should be, just saying how some do it in the NFL.

 

[Walkon79]

Nobody is taught to drive their shoulder into the side of a receiver’s knee! I think the word you want is maim , rather than mame. Maiming can be unintentional or, intentional! So , are you saying the player making that “tackle” didn’t deliberately target his knee?

Watch it again. He hit him shin and the only reason Schafer got hurt so bad was the unfortunate circumstance that his foot was planted on contact. Petre did exactly what is being taught to every defensive back in the country when trying to tackle someone who's got you by 100 lbs. When did you guys become such whiney bitches?

Hit on Schafer - Legal
Hit on Davis - Legal
Hit of Gillman - Legal
Hit on Taco - Illegal
Hit on Lamson - Illegal

I would challenge that the only hit that had any ill intent was the late hit on Lamson, at least two steps after he released the ball.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I hate the hit on Shafer, but it wasn't a penalty. Unlucky for Harper, but by rule, it was a penalty.

But the hit on 84 was dirty, and the play by Harper wasn't. That's what I'm talking about.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But the hit on 84 was dirty, and the play by Harper wasn't. That's what I'm talking about.

I don't think either were dirty.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Watch it again. He hit him on the lower thigh and the only reason Schafer got hurt so bad was the unfortunate circumstance that his foot was planted on contact. Petre did exactly what is being taught to every defensive back in the country when trying to tackle someone who's got you by 100 lbs. When did you guys become such whiney bitches?

Hit on Schafer - Legal
Hit on Davis - Legal
Hit of Gillman - Legal
Hit on Taco - Illegal
Hit on Lamson - Illegal

I would challenge that the only hit that had any ill intent was the late hit on Lamson, at least two steps after he released the ball.

No, he didn't. He hit him right on the knee. You could see it in real time, as well as replays Stop making excucses. Hit on Davis could have been called a penalty. It was an unnecessary roughness hip drop. Clear as can be. Hot on Taco. Bad call. Late hit on Lamson should not have been a penalty. Not even close. Cats have dirty players. Fact. You are completely biased, and out to lunch. Go home.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I don't think either were dirty.

You never played the game and don't know tacking or dirty tackling. Your views on things like this are almost always wrong.

Oldschoolgriz is one of the most knowledgeable football posters on the board:


"MSU has some dirty players on defense and I'm not saying that because we lost. Both games we played them, they had defenders hip drop tackle our players. And the one on Brooks Davis was obvious. Not only is it illegal but they banned it for a reason because 9/10 times they tackle that way, you will hurt the player."