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Student recruiting at MSU - not all roses

GriznMN

GriznMN

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I ran into a neighbor on my walk this morning, whose son used to go to MSU. I asked him where his scat flag was and this started a long conversation about MSU and Bozoland. Suffice it to say, it's not all roses over at MSU. My neighbor's son went his freshman year and didn't go back for his sophomore year. He didn't like the MSU dorm life and, outside of the outdoorsy activities, there's nothing to do in Bozoland. He liked being close to Yellowstone but he didn't like to be outdoors as much as he thought he would. He also thought the football players were cocky and arrogant. He said the MSU recruiter over-promised and MSU under-delivered. My neighbor said that's what they've been hearing from many of the MSU Minnesota connections they have. So it seems like MSU gets a ton of kids the first year and they don't return their sophomore year.
 
Specific retention rates for out-of-state students are not broken out in the publicly reported data. However, out-of-state students made up 65% of the entering first-time students in Fall 2021. So has to be pretty high.
 
If the entering first-time students in Fall 2021 was 65% out of state and 35% in state and the current composition of the student body is 50% in state and 50% out of state and the overall retention rate is 81.8%, then the retention rate for in state and out of state varies according to the table below.

In-State Retention Out-of-State Retention
75%90%
80%83.68%
85%78.84%
90%75%
95%71.83%
100%67.68%
 
All colleges in Montana bend over backwards to try and make the experience good for freshman. This generation that have been raised on their phones have trouble making connections in person. Universities aren't going to fix that for a kid in a few months. The kid didn't like the outdoors as much as he thought? What could a university do to change that?
 
GriznMN said:
I ran into a neighbor on my walk this morning, whose son used to go to MSU. I asked him where his scat flag was and this started a long conversation about MSU and Bozoland. Suffice it to say, it's not all roses over at MSU. My neighbor's son went his freshman year and didn't go back for his sophomore year. He didn't like the MSU dorm life and, outside of the outdoorsy activities, there's nothing to do in Bozoland. He liked being close to Yellowstone but he didn't like to be outdoors as much as he thought he would. He also thought the football players were cocky and arrogant. He said the MSU recruiter over-promised and MSU under-delivered. My neighbor said that's what they've been hearing from many of the MSU Minnesota connections they have. So it seems like MSU gets a ton of kids the first year and they don't return their sophomore year.
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I agree with the post 100%.
 
BDizzle said:
Montana State University's recent retention rate is 81.8% for the fall 2025 enrollment period, which is a record high for the university.
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Shouldn't one wait for the Spring 2026 actual attendance figures to get an accurate account of 2025 freshman retention? Or is your figure for the 2024 freshmen class of which the OP was not referring to? Do they just grab the figures in Bozeman that suits them best without correct attribution to the relevant discussion? No wonder MSU grads have trouble finding correct snow load calculations.
 
GriznMN said:
So it seems like MSU gets a ton of kids the first year and they don't return their sophomore year.
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I was one, native Montanan, yet. I was a 'one and done' Freshman. Actually, it had nothing to do with MSU this or that. I just was not ready for college. So, it was 'High ho, high ho, its off to work I go.' After a couple months of seeing my 'co-workers' in action, and what my future might be if I stayed, I renewed my college loans and landed in Missoula this time.
AHHH!
 
When I was in college 10 years ago I knew many people who dropped out of UM and MSU after their freshman year. If you have under 2.0 GPA for 2 semesters in a row you get removed from the university. One of my buddies had a 0.0 GPA both fall and spring our freshman year so he had to drop out of UM. He eventually transferred to and graduated from Ole Miss if that tells you anything about Ole Miss academic standards.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
Shouldn't one wait for the Spring 2026 actual attendance figures to get an accurate account of 2025 freshman retention? Or is your figure for the 2024 freshmen class of which the OP was not referring to? Do they just grab the figures in Bozeman that suits them best without correct attribution to the relevant discussion? No wonder MSU grads have trouble finding correct snow load calculations.
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Man I can’t stand the cats but some of you are wild. This is the freshman class from Spring 2025 semester coming back for Fall 2025 semester. Coming back for second semester as a freshman isn’t retention. And the OP never even mentioned years. So I posted most recent data. Also, I’m a Griz fan.
 
5280Griz said:
When I was in college 10 years ago I knew many people who dropped out of UM and MSU after their freshman year. If you have under 2.0 GPA for 2 semesters in a row you get removed from the university. One of my buddies had a 0.0 GPA both fall and spring our freshman year so he had to drop out of UM. He eventually transferred to and graduated from Ole Miss if that tells you anything about Ole Miss academic standards.
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Maybe it tells me you buddy decided to take school a bit more serious the second time around.
 
BDizzle said:
Specific retention rates for out-of-state students are not broken out in the publicly reported data. However, out-of-state students made up 65% of the entering first-time students in Fall 2021. So has to be pretty high.
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I don’t know. Seems like the sample size of this one guys neighbor is likely a better representation of all of our students at MSU……..
 
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