Pass Defense Stats

[Skookum-Jim]

Yes, I agree. Two things can be true:

The Griz pass defense has shown weaknesses at times, and teams feel like they can exploit it, so they throw a lot, and the run defense has been quietly excellent and has forced teams to abandon the run game at times.

I still think that if you could distill the Brawl down to one thing, it would be whether Montana can stop MSU on the ground.

If we can, we will win. If we can't, we'll probably lose.

Oddly, this season, the Griz average victory margin is +25.7 when the opposing QB(s) attempt less than 40 passes, but only +7.7 when it's higher than 40.

I just don't see this bobcat team beating us if they are passing the ball 40+ times.

Not sure I agree. I don't think the cats will be able to control the game running the ball like their going to want to. If I were the bobcat OC the griz would see a steady dose of quick hitting passes to the slot in the seams and over the middle to the TE's. Contrary to what's been said on here Lamsen can deliver under pressure. They are going to need to throw the ball a lot.

 

[uofmman1122]

Not sure I agree. I don't think the cats will be able to control the game running the ball like their going to want to. If I were the bobcat OC the griz would see a steady dose of quick hitting passes to the slot in the seams and over the middle to the TE's. Contrary to what's been said on here Lamsen can deliver under pressure. They are going to need to throw the ball a lot.

If that's their strategy, I feel way more confident in our chances going into Saturday.

 

[Maxim]

This game will come down to the defense. If the our D plays a good game we win. If not it could get ugly.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I think it's worth noting that the cats have allowed only 3 TD in their 727 rushing yards given up while the griz gave up 13 TD on their 721 yards given up. This does make sense, since the griz give up over 100 more yds per game passing and ~13 more pts per game than the cats.

That stat is meaningless. The meaningful stat is that the Griz have 11-0 record and the Cats have lost 2 games.

 

[goatcreekgriz]

The meaningful stat is that the Griz have 11-0 record and the Cats have lost 2 games.

Exactly. It’s a team effort and I like our team more.

 

[Ut-Grizfan]

If that's their strategy, I feel way more confident in our chances going into Saturday.

We'll need to track where Taco is on the field at all times I'm expecting the Cats to put him in motion alot and other ways to try and find mismatches for him as much as they can to attack our Secondary.

 

[Bobcat99]

Well, we're talking about rushing defense, so why not?

Against Idaho State, Weber, Cal Poly, and EWU:

UM
103 attempts for 329 yards (3.2 avg ypc) and 4 TDs (3 of which came against ISU)

MSU
103 attempts for 347 yards (3.4 avg ypc) and 1 TD

Damn, wrong again! lmao

Hi! I'm obviously here for just this week, but I wanted to add on to this.

College football does stats in what I consider to be a really stupid way, in that they count sack yardage against rushing yards. In the NFL they take it off the team passing yards rather than make it look like the QB ran for negative yardage. I think it slightly throws off running stats.

So, with that in mind, when you take the sack yardage for both defenses away for both those games, you get this:

UM: 93 attempts for 383 yards (4.12 YPC)

MSU: 101 attempts for 374 yards (3.7 YPC)

Obviously doesn't change very much, but it does change it some. With that in mind, this clearly means UM is getting a lot of sacks, and Lamson has a tendency to be slightly sack happy when trying to create plays rather than just throwing the ball away. Will be interesting to see how it turns out on Saturday! Looking forward to what should be a great game.

 

[Hells bells]

We'll need to track where Taco is on the field at all times I'm expecting the Cats to put him in motion alot and other ways to try and find mismatches for him as much as they can to attack our Secondary.

We wont be playing Taco at all - he has to...study yes study...
They are asking for student volunteers for the Oline

 

[mthoopsfan]

Not sure I agree. I don't think the cats will be able to control the game running the ball like their going to want to. If I were the bobcat OC the griz would see a steady dose of quick hitting passes to the slot in the seams and over the middle to the TE's. Contrary to what's been said on here Lamsen can deliver under pressure. They are going to need to throw the ball a lot.

Has he ever been under pressure? Not in any game or piece of game that I watched.

 

[uofmman1122]

Hi! I'm obviously here for just this week, but I wanted to add on to this.

College football does stats in what I consider to be a really stupid way, in that they count sack yardage against rushing yards. In the NFL they take it off the team passing yards rather than make it look like the QB ran for negative yardage. I think it slightly throws off running stats.

So, with that in mind, when you take the sack yardage for both defenses away for both those games, you get this:

UM: 93 attempts for 383 yards (4.12 YPC)

MSU: 101 attempts for 374 yards (3.7 YPC)

Obviously doesn't change very much, but it does change it some. With that in mind, this clearly means UM is getting a lot of sacks, and Lamson has a tendency to be slightly sack happy when trying to create plays rather than just throwing the ball away. Will be interesting to see how it turns out on Saturday! Looking forward to what should be a great game.

Hi and welcome!

I considered doing this as well, but I don't think I agree with you here. It's a negative play where the ball is not thrown.

By that same logic, should positive QB scrambles on passing plays also not count towards rushing yards, since the idea is the same? The defense is playing the pass, so therefore we'd have to take out any QB scrambles to get a truly unbiased look at rushing stats.

I think you can see where this line starts to get a little blurry.

 

[brewskis]

I think the conference has gotten so bad that any stats need to be taken with a heavy grain of salt. There’s what, maybe 4 teams in the conference that are worth damn?

 

[Moneymoney]

Hoops, you are forgetting that the cats have smoked almost every team in conference play and when the 3rd stringers come in during the 4th quarter that is often when team get a lot of yards and points.

 

[Skookum-Jim]

Has he ever been under pressure? Not in any game or piece of game that I watched.

Oh please, you say the dumbest things sometimes. Go look at his games against TCU, Louisville or Cal.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Oh please, you say the dumbest things sometimes. Go look at his games against TCU, Louisville or Cal.

Oh, please, I have seen the QB bugged by pressure. I said what I had observed, and there was nothing dumb about. I see no one supporting what you said. Is there anyone? Some posters are agreeing with me.

Your QB hasn't faced a pass rush like UM's, which comes from every direction and from multiple players. The Cat OL won't be able to handle all of that. Learn something about football and the Griz before you say dumb stuff on egriz.

I'm not watching those games. I'm not a Cat fan like you. If you want to say something like you did, support it. Don't act like the dick you apparently are.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Hoops, you are forgetting that the cats have smoked almost every team in conference play and when the 3rd stringers come in during the 4th quarter that is often when team get a lot of yards and points.

The Cats have only played 1 good conf team, if you want to say Davis is good. I think Davis is pretty good. Smoking bad teams and running up the score and stats, like the Cats have done at times, doesn't impress me. Maybe it impresses people who don't understand football.

The Cats lost to SDSU at home, and SDSU has now lost a bunch of games in a row. Are you forgetting that? The Cats got smoked by Oregon, which scored on every drive, all of which were TD's except one. The Cats looked weak in that game. Are you forgetting that? If you don't know enough about football to discern how the Cats played in that game, bad on you.

The Cats beat pathetic Mercyhurst by 17. Are you forgetting that? Yes, the Cats beat up on weak Univ of San Diego too.

Have you forgotten that the Cats have kept the starting QB and top running backs in game late in some games? Presumbly to run up scores and get some stats.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about football, and clearly never played the game. All you can do is Google and cite irrelevant or misleading stats.

One more suggestion. Think before you post at me, or I will kick your ass with my comeback comments. Like I just did.

 

[Moneymoney]

The Cats have only played 1 good conf team, if you want to say Davis is good. I think Davis is pretty good. Smoking bad teams and running up the score and stats, like the Cats have done at times, doesn't impress me. Maybe it impresses people who don't understand football.

The Cats lost to SDSU at home, and SDSU has now lost a bunch of games in a row. Are you forgetting that? The Cats got smoked by Oregon, which scored on every drive, all of which were TD's except one. The Cats looked weak in that game. Are you forgetting that? If you don't know enough about football to discern how the Cats played in that game, bad on you.

The Cats beat pathetic Mercyhurst by 17. Are you forgetting that? Yes, the Cats beat up on weak Univ of San Diego too.

Have you forgotten that the Cats have kept the starting QB and top running backs in game late in some games? Presumbly to run up scores and get some stats.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about football, and clearly never played the game. All you can do is Google and cite irrelevant or misleading stats.

One more suggestion. Think before you post at me, or I will kick your ass with my comeback comments. Like I just did.

Davis is a top 10 team for sure. I think they are better than USD, UND, and maybe even a healthy SDSU team. I also think Idaho State is pretty good, specifically their pass offense, and we did well against them. NAU was a good win considering the cats played them in AZ. Not sure why you are bringing up Oregon as they are one of the best in the whole country, especially on the DL.

I don’t want to hear the running up the score narrative. Lamson’s first year with the team so obviously we will keep him in for 3 quarters.

If we really want to talk about “playing good teams” who is the best team UM has played? UND is solid but they might even miss the playoffs. You have had close games with Idaho State, Cal Poly, Sacred Heart, Sac St, and Eastern. If the gris play the way they did against those teams this won’t be close.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Davis is a top 10 team for sure. I think they are better than USD, UND, and maybe even a healthy SDSU team. I also think Idaho State is pretty good, specifically their pass offense, and we did well against them. NAU was a good win considering the cats played them in AZ. Not sure why you are bringing up Oregon as they are one of the best in the whole country, especially on the DL.

I don’t want to hear the running up the score narrative. Lamson’s first year with the team so obviously we will keep him in for 3 quarters.

If we really want to talk about “playing good teams” who is the best team UM has played? UND is solid but they might even miss the playoffs. You have had close games with Idaho State, Cal Poly, Sacred Heart, Sac St, and Eastern. If the gris play the way they did against those teams this won’t be close.

I bring up Oregon because I watched the game and MSU looked pretty weak. That's why. That's why I say you don't understand football. You can't even look at a game and see what's going on.

It was pointed out several times that MSU was running up the score. You may not want to hear that, but it's true. Open your eyes.

UND is good. UND is definitely going to make the playoffs. Do you know anything about football. They are ranked 13th. Do you think they will drop out of the top 24 if they don't beat SDSU. Their losses at to Kansas State by 3, the Griz by 1, SD by 5 and NSDU by 5. You are showing that you really don't have a clue. Herder has them seeded at 13th. He had Davis at no. 21, one of the last 4 in the playoffs.

You didn't even watch the Griz games. You have no idea how they played. You just looked at the scores.

 

[garizzalies]

Davis is a top 10 team for sure. I think they are better than USD, UND, and maybe even a healthy SDSU team. I also think Idaho State is pretty good, specifically their pass offense, and we did well against them. NAU was a good win considering the cats played them in AZ. Not sure why you are bringing up Oregon as they are one of the best in the whole country, especially on the DL.

I don’t want to hear the running up the score narrative. Lamson’s first year with the team so obviously we will keep him in for 3 quarters.

If we really want to talk about “playing good teams” who is the best team UM has played? UND is solid but they might even miss the playoffs. You have had close games with Idaho State, Cal Poly, Sacred Heart, Sac St, and Eastern. If the gris play the way they did against those teams this won’t be close.

Have you forgotten the face of your father?

 

[Moneymoney]

I bring up Oregon because I watched the game and MSU looked pretty weak. That's why. That's why I say you don't understand football. You can't even look at a game and see what's going on.

It was pointed out several times that MSU was running up the score. You may not want to hear that, but it's true. Open your eyes.

UND is good. UND is definitely going to make the playoffs. Do you know anything about football. They are ranked 13th. Do you think they will drop out of the top 24 if they don't beat SDSU. Their losses at to Kansas State by 3, the Griz by 1, SD by 5 and NSDU by 5. You are showing that you really don't have a clue. Herder has them seeded at 13th. He had Davis at no. 21, one of the last 4 in the playoffs.

You didn't even watch the Griz games. You have no idea how they played. You just looked at the scores.

Oregon was week one. We are significantly better now. If UND loses to SDSU they will be 7-5 with their best win being SIU, that might be enough but I’d be surprised. Davis is low because they lost to Idaho State but they only lost by 2 and played poorly. I have actually watched every single gris game, in fact I have seen 2 in person.

I don’t wanna hear the running up the score crap. What are we supposed to do? Get up 21-0 in the first then sit the starters and keep the game close??? We have always played the starters for the first half then we start to mix in backup WR, OL, TE, RB, etc. Believe it or not those guys are still good enough to get some points.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Oregon was week one. We are significantly better now. If UND loses to SDSU they will be 7-5 with their best win being SIU, that might be enough but I’d be surprised. Davis is low because they lost to Idaho State but they only lost by 2 and played poorly. I have actually watched every single gris game, in fact I have seen 2 in person.

I don’t wanna hear the running up the score crap. What are we supposed to do? Get up 21-0 in the first then sit the starters and keep the game close??? We have always played the starters for the first half then we start to mix in backup WR, OL, TE, RB, etc. Believe it or not those guys are still good enough to get some points.

The Griz have improved more than the Cats from week one. I hope the Cats are better than they were against Oregon, because, as I said, the Cats didn't look good at ask against Oregon. No running game. Running backs looked weak. OL wasn't blocking well at all. The Cat D stunk.

There is no way UND drops from no. 13 to out of the top 24 with a loss to SDSU. Look at who they played and how close the games were. I showed you. You have no clue.

I don't care if you don't want to hear about running up the score, the point is that the Cats did that in some games. Look at when some of your starters were still in the game.

I don't want to hear about or see you denying what occurred. Your QB and running backs were still in some games late. I also don't want to see or hear you saying that UND won't make the playoffs.