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Upset Guesses, Nov 15

What upsets are possible?

  • #21 SIU (6-4) vs #17 South Dakota (7-4)

    Votes: 21 42.0%
  • #16 SDSU (7-3) vs # 14 Illinois State (7-3)

    Votes: 24 48.0%
  • #19 Lamar (8-2) at #15 Stephen F. Austin (8-2)

    Votes: 10 20.0%
  • Maine (6-4) vs #11 Rhode Island (8-2)

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • Pennsylvania (5-3) at #7 Harvard (8-0)

    Votes: 6 12.0%
  • Dayton (6-3) vs Drake (6-3)

    Votes: 3 6.0%
  • St. Thomas-Minnesota (7-3) vs Presbyterian (8-2)

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • Richmond (6-4) vs Lafayette (7-3)

    Votes: 2 4.0%

  • Total voters
    50

IdaGriz01

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Only three ranked-vs-ranked matchups coming up, then we have two ranked teams facing credible opponents. Beyond that, we’re down to crunch time in many conferences where key games could decide a championship and/or auto-bid. Some also impact whether or not a lower team still has a shot at an at-large bid.

As usual in the past, the team on the left is the underdog that might pull off the upset. You are allowed two choices, and you can change your votes later if you want to.

Disclaimer/Reminder: For reasons I have explained before, I do not include Big Sky games in these polls.

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Southern Illinois probably has to win out to even have a shot at an at-large bid. A loss for South Dakota would put them in that hypothetical (7-5) bubble. Trouble is, my count of likely outcomes suggests that there might not be such a bubble … too many teams from decent to top conferences likely to have 8 or more wins.

Can South Dakota State right the ship, playing at home against Illinois State? It all turns on the status of the Jack’ QB doesn’t it? The winner goes to 8 wins and gives themselves a good chance for an at-large bid out of the Missouri Valley.

Stephen F. Austin is currently undefeated in the Southland Conference. A Lamar win would give the Cardinals the tie-breaker over SFA, but would also create a three-way tie with SE Louisiana. By a quirk of scheduling, SFA and SELA have not, and will not meet this year. However, Lamar also won over SELA, so I assume they would get the auto-bid (also assuming both beat their final opponents, which they should). Of course, that might not be how the tie-breakers work. How would I know?

Maine is at home against Rhode Island, and the game could have a huge impact on the CAA title race. The Rams are undefeated in conference, while Maine and two other teams have just one conference loss. A Maine win would create a four-way tie of one-loss teams, assuming the other two also win . Neither of the other two (Monmouth and Villanova) have or will play Rhode Island. I assume a head-to-head win means more when the tie-breakers kick in. And don’t be fooled by those four opening losses for the Black Bears, who had a bad start to the season (including two FBS losses). They have since won six straight.

I debated about including the Pennsylvania at Harvard game in the poll, given how strong the Crimson have looked. However, the Quakers do have a winning record, and one of those was over a pretty good Dartmouth team. That seemed reason enough to include it, with one other factor: Harvard could be looking ahead to the The Game a week later against Yale.

The Drake-Dayton game is part of one of the more interesting “end games” as the FCS season closes. Drake leads the Pioneer League with just one conference loss. Behind them, Dayton is one of four teams tied at two conference losses. If Drake wins, they should have clear sailing to the championship and playoff auto-bid. On the other hand, if Dayton wins, Drake becomes one of four (probably) teams tied with two conference losses. Since the two-loss “survivors” face relatively weak opponents the following week, the decision should come down to the conference tie-breakers (which I won’t even try to sort out). As for the game itself, we have two teams with identical overall records with mostly comparable schedule strengths. The exceptions are that Drake has faced two MVFC opponents … where they got pounded. Not sure that’s a plus. I make this a toss-up with perhaps a slight home-field edge to the Flyers. Will be rooting for the upset just to make life interesting for the conference officials.

I decided to include the St. Thomas-Minnesota vs Presbyterian game because of its link to the Drake-Dayton matchup. The Tommies and the Blue Hose are two of the four teams with two conference losses noted above. The loser of this game will, obviously, drop out of that tie. But if Drake loses (above), they would drop into that group. San Diego will likely remain the other member since they play at home against a weak (5-5) Butler team. The Tommies complete their conference season with this game, while the other three face conference bottom dwellers in their final games.
As for the game itself: We tend to think of St. Thomas as the “new kid on the block,” but they’ve sponsored competitive football for over a century. Then, under their current coach (hired in 2010), they got too good for their D-III level. Over a period of six years they did not lose a conference game. As a result, after the 2019 season, the conference “involuntarily removed” them … yep, kicked them out. The NCAA allowed them to jump directly D-I, FCS, and they have now completed their probationary period and are eligible for the playoffs. Neither team has played a powerhouse schedule, but I lean toward the Tommies playing at home.

The Lafayette at Richmond game may not seem all that interesting on the surface. The Spiders are out of the running for the Patriot League title and auto-bid, and the Patriot has generally been considered a one-bid conference. That perception, however, may be changing as the League adds more members moving over from the CAA. [And do we really care about a CAA that includes Bryant (3-7), Campbell (2-8), and Hampton (2-8)?] A Richmond win (and they’re at home) would do two things: It would give the Leopards a conference loss and a 4th loss overall. A (7-4) Richmond would face a tough but winnable final game (nonconference) to get to 8-4. Unless Lafayette upsets Lehigh in its final game, the Spiders would then have the record to perhaps qualify for an at-large bid. With their history of success, I would not want to bet against it. Unlikely … sure, but that’s what makes it interesting.
 
I'm going with the two So Daks for the loss this week. SIU at home should take care of USD, who already has themselves in the playoffs and crowing about their turn around from an 0-2 start.
SDSU is playing the best team compared to Indiana State and USD and I don't think Mason is ready to return, or if he does, that he will be game ready.
I don't believe that St. Thomas will be the underdog vs. Presbyterian, but I think they will win. Either way, Presbyterian is not going to make the playoffs, there are a bunch of teams in the Pioneer League at 4-2 with them and they won't win a tie breaker and won't make the field as an at large qualifier.
 
... Either way, Presbyterian is not going to make the playoffs, there are a bunch of teams in the Pioneer League at 4-2 with them and they won't win a tie breaker and won't make the field as an at large qualifier.
I agree, with some added info: The bloom goes off that 8-2 record when you note that it includes wins against two non-D-I opponents (a D-II and an NAIA). So they are, in reality 6-2. I would hope that would not get them a bid. You can admire what the Blue Hose have done (I do), but let's not get carried away.
 
I agree, with some added info: The bloom goes off that 8-2 record when you note that it includes wins against two non-D-I opponents (a D-II and an NAIA). So they are, in reality 6-2. I would hope that would not get them a bid. You can admire what the Blue Hose have done (I do), but let's not get carried away.
Just to be fair: St. Thomas does have one win against a weak (2-8) D-II opponent. That won't help their resume if it comes down to an at-large bid chance.

Addendum: What was I thinking? No way the Pioneer figures into the at-large playoff picture. However, I do wonder a little bit about if and/or how it might be a part of the conference tie-breakers. Which poses a question: How does the Big Sky treat non-D-I games in its tie-breakers? Totally ignore them, or what?
 
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yeah, but did they play Lincoln?
Lincoln cancelled another game last weekend, I think that was their last one for the year.

They kind of remind me of that one little league team that was really bad and at some point in the season they would have about seven kids show up for a game and so your team would give them two kids that hardly played, just to play a practice game. Those two kids you gave them ended up being the only competitive edge for their team.
 
I haven't been right all season so why would I start now? I picked the Salukis over the Coyotes only because Salukis is a cooler sounding name. I picked Lamar over SFA. Maine won't beat Rhode Island and Penn won't beat Harvard. St. Thomas beating Presbyterian is not an upset, in my opinion.
 
I haven't been right all season so why would I start now? I picked the Salukis over the Coyotes only because Salukis is a cooler sounding name. I picked Lamar over SFA. Maine won't beat Rhode Island and Penn won't beat Harvard. St. Thomas beating Presbyterian is not an upset, in my opinion.
I think the Yotes choke on the road and for those who are picking Illinois State to win, I hope you did that knowing that IDA didn't have them as the dog. Also, SFA is the better team and will win at home.

You're spot on with St. Thomas, they are actually favored by 7 and a hook.
 
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