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Talkin Schmidt

5280Griz said:
The top FCS teams now would obliterate the FCS when Schmidt played. You don’t add NDSU, SDSU, UND, USD and UIW and become worse off as a subdivision.
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Nope, most or none of them would beat the best NDSU and SDSU teams. Those prior good FCS teams were very good, but most were not as good as the best Dakota teams.

You are too young to know. You also don't understand football. And you certainly never played the game. You are just an uninformed big mouth on egriz now. Don't think you will last long.
 
It could be an interesting matchup but most of the modern era FCS powers especially the Missouri Valley would have too much strength and size on the offensive and defensive lines for a team like 2009 App State even with all of their NFL players. Out of all of their NFL players only one played on the line, Daniel Kilgore. It would also depend on if there are injuries or both teams are at full health as someone like NDSU probably has more depth than an FCS team from 20 years ago.
 
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mthoopsfan said:
Nope, most or none of them would beat the best NDSU and SDSU teams. Those prior good FCS teams were very good, but most were not as good as the best Dakota teams.

You are too young to know. You also don't understand football. And you certainly never played the game. You are just an uninformed big mouth on egriz now. Don't think you will last long.
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I won’t last long but am too young to know teams that I watched 20 years ago? 20 years in the future everyone will have forgotten anything about you. Based on your posts it looks like dementia is already taking over.
 
oldngrizzly said:
Schmidt knows more about the FCS than 98% of Egriz. Since he is on the same page as I am then that would also apply to me .The facts are the FCS sucks as far as quality teams. Kinda JV.
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Nobody said you had to watch it. You could watch Mountain West games. They are really fun. Maybe become a fan of Nevada. That’s a quality conference they have there. So good that the refs had to win a game for Colorado State against Northern Colorado.
 
Copper Griz said:
Nobody said you had to watch it. You could watch Mountain West games. They are really fun. Maybe become a fan of Nevada. That’s a quality conference they have there. So good that the refs had to win a game for Colorado State against Northern Colorado.
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I did not say I watched it. That is the problem, it's so poor quality jv type play that the fans don't go to games let alone anyone wanting to watch it at home. Maybe you and Elrod can get together at Red's to watch Mercer and Lamar.
 
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5280Griz said:
It could be an interesting matchup but most of the modern era FCS powers especially the Missouri Valley would have too much strength and size on the offensive and defensive lines for a team like 2009 App State even with all of their NFL players. Out of all of their NFL players only one played on the line, Daniel Kilgore. It would also depend on if there are injuries or both teams are at full health as someone like NDSU probably has more depth than an FCS team from 20 years ago.
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I don't think anyone is arguing those teams would beat a current top fcs contender, in the same way that Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain teams couldn't beat today's Chiefs or Ravens. Players are just bigger, faster and trained better than they were 30 years ago.

That doesn't mean the fcs wasn't as deep or talented at that time though.
 
EverettGriz said:
I don't think anyone is arguing those teams would beat a current top fcs contender, in the same way that Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain teams couldn't beat today's Chiefs or Ravens. Players are just bigger, faster and trained better than they were 30 years ago.

That doesn't mean the fcs wasn't as deep or talented at that time though.
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My point that Schmidt sounds like Uncle Rico here claiming that the FCS is terrible when the FCS teams today are better than when he was playing still applies.
 
oldngrizzly said:
I did not say I watched it. That is the problem, it's so poor quality jv type play that the fans don't go to games let alone anyone wanting to watch it at home. Maybe you and Elrod can get together at Red's to watch Mercer and Lamar.
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I would gladly buy Elrod a beer at Reds the next time I am in Missoula. Weird, but with ESPN+ you can watch a lot of poor quality teams for cheap. Especially if you have the right phone package. I haven’t watched any Mountain West games this year because that conference is so jv. Terrible football, but hey, they are FBS so it must be better right?
 
5280Griz said:
I won’t last long but am too young to know teams that I watched 20 years ago? 20 years in the future everyone will have forgotten anything about you. Based on your posts it looks like dementia is already taking over.
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You were a baby 20 years ago. You know nothing about what occurred years ago, now now.
 
EverettGriz said:
I don't think anyone is arguing those teams would beat a current top fcs contender, in the same way that Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain teams couldn't beat today's Chiefs or Ravens. Players are just bigger, faster and trained better than they were 30 years ago.

That doesn't mean the fcs wasn't as deep or talented at that time though.
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I think FCS was deep and very good then, but I too think the Dakota teams are stronger now. But that is a small technical point that means little.
 
5280Griz said:
My point that Schmidt sounds like Uncle Rico here claiming that the FCS is terrible when the FCS teams today are better than when he was playing still applies.
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To put this in terms you're apparently trying to use here, there are likely 1 or 2 teams in FCS now that would be better than anyone back 20-30 years ago, although certainly not every year.

The difference is that instead of 2-3 teams each year like UM and MSU and whomever is good enough to challenge the XDSUs, there were on average 10-15 teams that could do that, especially in the eastern US. You likely don't remember the 2000's when the CAA was hands down the best conference in FCS. The MVFC was an afterthought, as was the Great West where NDSU/SDSU played for years.

Right now, outside of 3 or 4 teams every year, the FCS is (relatively) pretty awful.

It's the irony of the 24-team playoff now. The old 16-team format would be much better given this disparity today, and we could've used a 24-team playoff back then because the rest of the subdivision was much better relative to the top teams.
 
There used to be 4 or 5 conferences with teams capable of winning the national championship.
Now days there are two.
Delaware UNH JMU Richmond
Ga Southern, Appy state, Furman,
Sam Houston, SFA, Mcneese, Nicholls St
Montana,EWU Weber st (sometimes the cats not often though)
UNI Youngstown Western Illionois
Those 16 teams from just 5 conferences fighting for 16 spots.
Plus teams from the remaining conferences.

It was tougher back then!
 
More competitive, for sure. But better? That’s hard to say. Todays’s players are, I think, bigger, stronger, more skilled and, perhaps, “better.”
 
AndrewGrizness said:
There isn't one player in the FCS or the FBS this season better than Armanti Edwards.
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Better in what aspect? There might not be anyone who is having a bigger impact on their current team but their are definitely bigger quarterbacks who can operate a pro style offense from the pocket at a higher level.
 
In any aspect, Edwards is a better player in every possible aspect. Who gives a fuck about size, if you make plays you are better than 6'5" any day
 
AndrewGrizness said:
In any aspect, Edwards is a better player in every possible aspect. Who gives a fuck about size, if you make plays you are better than 6'5" any day
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Edwards doesn’t have the strongest arm or any experience running a pro style offense. NFL teams which is the highest level of football give a fuck about both as well as height and weight.
 
5280Griz said:
Edwards doesn’t have the strongest arm or any experience running a pro style offense. NFL teams which is the highest level of football give a fuck about both as well as height and weight.
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We are talking about the FCS and his arm was good enough to beat Michigan. Also NFL coaches are stupid and put physical requirements over talent all the time.

There are 50 other examples of players back then being far better than the limited few left in the FCS now.
 
AndrewGrizness said:
We are talking about the FCS and his arm was good enough to beat Michigan. Also NFL coaches are stupid and put physical requirements over talent all the time.

There are 50 other examples of players back then being far better than the limited few left in the FCS now.
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"Also NFL coaches are stupid and put physical requirements over talent all the time." This quote...wtf lol
 
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