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Harvard Ranked Fairly High in Polls - Some Harvard-Dartmouth Material

mthoopsfan

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Feel free not to look at any of this. One is a good article on the Harvard - Dartmouth Rivalry. Dartmouth and Harvard play this weekend. The other is a good article on the undefeated and national championship Dartmouth 1925. That was my team. Ha. It has some other interesting football history in it too.

The writer of the articles is a Dartmouth '76, wrote sports for the school newspaper in school, and is still a big time opinion writer. He's won a Pulitzer Prize.

"Dartmouth was undefeated in 1925. The Big Green was in the middle of a three-year, 21-0-1 unbeaten streak that began in 1923 with a 16-14 win against Brown and continued until a 14-7 loss at Yale in 1926.

Never again would Dartmouth approach national championship status. The team was invited to the 1937 Rose Bowl game but declined to play, citing the distraction a postseason game would present to student-athletes’ academic performance. The last time the team was nationally ranked was 55 years ago, when it played Yale before a crowd of 60,820 in 1970.

No one would have questioned the primacy of a Dartmouth team that won by an average score of 43-4; a team so dominant that, as the season progressed, it often would decline to accept rivals’ penalties; and a team that prompted the legendary Amos Alonzo Stagg, the Chicago coach who invented the quick kick, the lateral pass, and the quarterback-keeper play, to call it the greatest team he ever saw. And no one would have minimized the offensive power and defensive discipline of a team journalist Damon Runyon said was “champion of the world.”

Or at least champion of the world of sports. Headed by coach Jesse Hawley, class of 1909, the 1925 Dartmouth team had only three rivals nationally: Michigan and Pitt, which each finished with a single loss but played more demanding schedules; and Alabama, which finished with a 10-0 record and took the Rose Bowl invitation Dartmouth declined.

The October 24 Harvard game attracted 54,000 fans, and administrators at Dartmouth and Harvard swore they could have sold at least 30,000 more tickets. The resulting convergence of 20,000 automobiles around Harvard Stadium prompted a reporter to write, “Never in the history of local gridiron struggles was there such a jam of motor vehicles of all sizes and descriptions from all over New England and elsewhere.” Some 150 extra police officers were deployed to the scene. More than a half-million dollars was wagered on the game—the equivalent of more than $9 million in 2025."


 
Watched a bit of Dartmouth last week. Me and 30 or so that I could see on TV in actual attendance. It was a home game for the "Green". 3,471 official attendance.
 
So on their way to a national ranking was the best team Dartmouth defeated in 1970 a 7-2 Yale or a 7-2 Harvard?
Perhaps. And they were undefeated and ranked in the top 20 at the time. 61,000 in attendance.

Interesting that you picked the Yale game.

“Game of the Year of the Day, 1970: Dartmouth 10, Yale 0
Bob Blackmon’s 1970 Dartmouth Indians: one of the 50 best of all time.”


Both of their running backs played in the NFL including Dick Jauron. Calvin Hill played for them 2 years before, and Marty Dinees had played for Columbia. SI wrote an article on the game. Don’t know Cornell’s record that year. And Cornell had Ed Marinaro who was runner up for the Heisman the next year and set about 20 ncaa rushing records. Do you like coach Marty Daniels in Blue Mountain State? That year, I defended a Columbia TE who was an original Hog for the Redskins and had a long MFK career. We beat Boston College in a pre-season game 2 years in a row. They had an NFL back named Fred Willis. In the Lambert, we were also ahead of West Virginia, Pitt and Syracuse, in addition to Penn St. you ave probably never heard of Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell. We had a first team all-American who played in 2 post-season all-star games including the Coaches All-American Game. Our coach left after the season for Illinois. The Ivies were pretty god in those days.

When was the last time time Montana was
ranked in the D1 top 20 UM and MSU were Small College the. I think we were ranked ahead of USC and Alabama too. Maybe Georgia too. Texas, OK, Nebraska and Penn St, Notre Dame were ranked ahead of us.

The Griz won’t play any FCS teams with less than 2 losses in the regular season this year.

SI wrote an article on our team in the 80’s too. How many SI articles get written on the Griz.
 
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They are impressive for 1970 but any team from that era would get waxed against teams from this era. Montana today could compete with NFL teams from the 1970s.
 
Perhaps. And they were undefeated and ranked in the top 20 at the time. 61,000 in attendance.

Interesting that you picked the Yale game.

“Game of the Year of the Day, 1970: Dartmouth 10, Yale 0
Bob Blackmon’s 1970 Dartmouth Indians: one of the 50 best of all time.”


Both of their running backs played in the NFL including Dick Jauron. Calvin Hill played for them 2 years before, and Marty Dinees had played for Columbia. SI wrote an article on the game. Don’t know Cornell’s record that year. And Cornell had Ed Marinaro who was runner up for the Heisman the next year and set about 20 ncaa rushing records. Do you like coach Marty Daniels in Blue Mountain State? That year, I defended a Columbia TE who was an original Hog for the Redskins and had a long MFK career. We beat Boston College in a pre-season game 2 years in a row. They had an NFL back named Fred Willis. In the Lambert, we were also ahead of West Virginia, Pitt and Syracuse, in addition to Penn St. you ave probably never heard of Franco Harris and Lydell Mitchell. We had a first team all-American who played in 2 post-season all-star games including the Coaches All-American Game. Our coach left after the season for Illinois. The Ivies were pretty god in those days.

When was the last time time Montana was
ranked in the D1 top 20 UM and MSU were Small College the. I think we were ranked ahead of USC and Alabama too. Maybe Georgia too. Texas, OK, Nebraska and Penn St, Notre Dame were ranked ahead of us.

The Griz won’t play any FCS teams with less than 2 losses in the regular season this year.

SI wrote an article on our team in the 80’s too. How many SI articles get written on the Griz.



  • I searched SI for multiple Montana Grizzlies / Griz mentions and collected representative articles (sampling across years):
    • Camden Sirmon signing (Dec 16, 2020).
    • “Someone Mentioned the M-Word…” (about Montana’s upset of Washington).
    • NFLDraftScout prospect notebook that mentions Montana.
    • 2025 Montana football preview.
    • Numerous FCS roundup / weekly recap pieces in 2024–2025 that include Montana.
 

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Title
Date
Description
1
2025 Montana Football Preview

Jul 29 2025Â

Gears up for the 2025 season: returning starters, transfers, and outlook.

2

2025 Big Sky Football Preview

Jun 11 2025Â

Conference-wide preview; includes Montana’s role in the Big Sky.

3

Montana Advances to FCS Title Game With Absurdly Chaotic Two-Point Conversion

(Dec 17 2023) — listed on stats pageÂ

Game recap of Montana’s dramatic advance to the FCS title game.

4

Bob Stitt to reportedly become Montana Grizzlies’ football coach

Dec 13 2014

(Found earlier in initial list) — coaching change piece.

5

Camden Sirmon’s signing with Montana Grizzlies football started with a move…

Dec 16 2020

(From earlier list) — feature on recruit and Montana signing.

6

ESPN SP+ Model Predicts Final Score For Montana-North Dakota

Sep 10 2025Â

Analytics/preview piece focused on a particular matchup for Montana.

7

Top FCS NFL Prospects To Watch (Week 8) – Montana Highlight

Oct 17 2025Â

Prospect profile including Montana’s Michael Wortham.

8

Behind The Numbers: Week 5 FCS Football Review

Oct 1 2025Â

Analytical recap of Montana’s performance among other FCS games.
 
Did Dartmouth ever beat a 4 time defending national champion and have an SI article written about it?
 
So to be clear, in 1970 they were ranked because they managed to beat nine non-scholarship teams? Got it.
No, they were ranked because they were better than the teams below them, like USC, Alabama, Penn St, Pitt, BC, West Virginia.

And, the Ivies have provided full need-based scholarships for many decades. I assume most Ivy football players are getting scholarships of $80,000 or more per year. That's a big more money than the Big Sky and MV. And, when you get out of an Ivy, you can make a ton of money if that's what you want to do. The captain of our 1970 team has a Challenger 300 jet, which is pretty nice. His range is over 3,000 miles I believe. "A Bombardier Challenger business jet costs between $20.5m for a 2022 Challenger 350 and $33m for a new 2024 Challenger 650, according to Aircraft Bluebook's Summer 2024 data However, depending on the age and condition of an aircraft, buyers can purchase a used Bombardier Challenger business jet for less." A number of our friends have nice jets. I have a nice bicycle.

Many of my teammates turned down Big 10 and Pac 10 scholarships. One turned a scholarship at Alabama.

"Bob Blackman, Dartmouth's coach, said yesterday that he was “a bit disappointed that a guy (Paterno) can challenge you to a fight when your hands are tied behind your back.” He was referring to the Ivy ban on postseason contests.

Blackman said, “If the rule could be changed so we could play in a bowl game or other postseason game, I'd person ally prefer to play someone with a better record than Penn State's.”


"With both Dartmouth and Yale unbeaten and rated nationally not only in both of the wire-service polls but also in the NCAA statistics, the largest crowd to see a non-Harvard game at Yale Bowl since Army was there in 1954 assembled on one of those crackling red-and-gold New England afternoons that helped to make football popular in the first place. A large part of the conversation was somewhat defensive, with people assuring one another that this whole thing was really great, that Dartmouth and Yale could certainly perform respectably against Ohio State or Texas or anybody else, and that Ivy League football, after all, is played by students. So without question in the minds of the 60,820 people who had come to watch it, this Yale-Dartmouth match was going to settle at least the amateur college football championship of the season."


"That year Dartmouth was undefeated and untied, producing such outstanding stats that it was ranked 14th in both the AP and UPI final polls, ahead of Oklahoma, Penn State and Southern Cal. Dartmouth's 9-0 record included six shutouts—four in a row to end the season. Among major colleges that year Dartmouth ranked second in total defense and sixth in total offense, and led the country in scoring defense."


We beat Ed Marinaro and Cornell every year, and beat them in Hanover in 1971. The game was the top ABC football game that Saturday and had the no. ABC tv crew. Marinaro had just been on the cover of SI. President Nixon wrote Marinaro a letter after the game, after missing him in his call. Nixon praised the Dartmouth D. I would post the letter, but don't know how. Elrod has the letter.


Are you jealous? Do you polls just vote any old teams in the polls? If you get time, please tell us about your favorite flag football game and what the tv ratings were.
 
  • I searched SI for multiple Montana Grizzlies / Griz mentions and collected representative articles (sampling across years):
    • Camden Sirmon signing (Dec 16, 2020).
    • “Someone Mentioned the M-Word…” (about Montana’s upset of Washington).
    • NFLDraftScout prospect notebook that mentions Montana.
    • 2025 Montana football preview.
    • Numerous FCS roundup / weekly recap pieces in 2024–2025 that include Montana.
How many articles did you find? NFL Draft Scout is an online site that covers every decent football player in the nation.
 
How many articles did you find? NFL Draft Scout is an online site that covers every decent football player in the nation.
6 from the 2015 season alone




  1. Late TD lifts Montana, Stitt past NDSU — Aug 29, 2015 (season-opening upset / game recap).
  2. Big Sky looks to fight back into national limelight with depth — Aug 14, 2015 (conference preview including Montana capsule).
  3. Montana routs Eastern Washington 57-16 behind Calhoun — Nov 14, 2015 (game recap).
  4. Gustafson, defense lift Montana over Montana State 54-35 — Nov 21, 2015 (Brawl of the Wild recap).
  5. Montana advances in FCS with 24-17 win over South Dakota State — Nov 28, 2015 (playoff win recap).
  6. NDSU defense sparks quick start in playoff win over Montana — Dec 5, 2015 (rematch / playoff result).
 
How many articles did you find? NFL Draft Scout is an online site that covers every decent football player in the nation.
Here is one of my favorite SI articles from 2014 on Mick Delaney’s last regular season game.

MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) Jordan Johnson threw for three touchdowns and put up almost 400 yards of total offense to help the Montana Grizzlies to a 34-7 win against the Montana State Bobcats on Saturday.

With a potential FCS at-large bid up for grabs, Montana (8-4, 6-2 Big Sky) used five first half turnovers by Montana State (8-4, 6-2) to build a 27-0 lead. Montana State gave up seven turnovers during the game.

Matt Hermanson finished with three interceptions, one shy of the single-game record for the Grizzlies.

Montana State scored with 5:59 remaining on Chad Newell's 1-yard run.

Jordan Canada scored two touchdowns, a 1-yard run and 4-yard reception, in the first quarter. He finished with 119 yards rushing.

Bobcats junior Jake Bleskin, stepping in for injured Dakota Prukop, threw five interceptions and gave up a fumble. He finished 15-28 for 145 yards as MSU lost a share of the league title.
 
6 from the 2015 season alone




  1. Late TD lifts Montana, Stitt past NDSU — Aug 29, 2015 (season-opening upset / game recap).
  2. Big Sky looks to fight back into national limelight with depth — Aug 14, 2015 (conference preview including Montana capsule).
  3. Montana routs Eastern Washington 57-16 behind Calhoun — Nov 14, 2015 (game recap).
  4. Gustafson, defense lift Montana over Montana State 54-35 — Nov 21, 2015 (Brawl of the Wild recap).
  5. Montana advances in FCS with 24-17 win over South Dakota State — Nov 28, 2015 (playoff win recap).
  6. NDSU defense sparks quick start in playoff win over Montana — Dec 5, 2015 (rematch / playoff result).
I said ARTICLES. Two pages or more. In the main magazine. Not internet references. .
 
Here is one of my favorite SI articles from 2014 on Mick Delaney’s last regular season game.

MISSOULA, Mont. (AP) Jordan Johnson threw for three touchdowns and put up almost 400 yards of total offense to help the Montana Grizzlies to a 34-7 win against the Montana State Bobcats on Saturday.

With a potential FCS at-large bid up for grabs, Montana (8-4, 6-2 Big Sky) used five first half turnovers by Montana State (8-4, 6-2) to build a 27-0 lead. Montana State gave up seven turnovers during the game.

Matt Hermanson finished with three interceptions, one shy of the single-game record for the Grizzlies.

Montana State scored with 5:59 remaining on Chad Newell's 1-yard run.

Jordan Canada scored two touchdowns, a 1-yard run and 4-yard reception, in the first quarter. He finished with 119 yards rushing.

Bobcats junior Jake Bleskin, stepping in for injured Dakota Prukop, threw five interceptions and gave up a fumble. He finished 15-28 for 145 yards as MSU lost a share of the league title.
I am talking about the magazine. Hard copy.like the ones I showed you of my Dartmouth team.
 
I’m not search through magazines the articles I sent were all Sports Illustrated articles.
No, they weren’t. They were little snippets from online references in the internet site. The internet is not the weekly magazine. None of them were longer than 2 pages. You can’t do it, because there aren’t any.
 
"Do you polls just vote for any old team in the polls?"

Are we talking about the same polls that had Texas and Penn State as the two best teams in the country this year?
 
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