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Which of Montana’s offensive trio should the Griz promote most for the Walter Payton Award ? Where does the trio of QB Keali'i Ah Yat, Eli Gillman and Michael Wortham rank in Griz history already?

What do you think of Montana State head coach Brent Vigen’s deliberate, standard-driven and demanding coaching style? How much has that elevated the Bobcats over the last five seasons?

Which quarterback would you rather have RIGHT NOW - Ah Yat or MSU quarterback Justin Lamson?
 
North Dakota State University finds their OL in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. According to Skyline Sports, in state recruits are more important. According to NDSU, out of state recruits are more important. Who is correct?
According to one person's opinion at Skyline Sports....

I have said that I think the issue with in-state is with optics and effort. Not the priority on or against. And that's an institutional problem more than a football problem.

Schmidt is the one leading this rampage. We have 13 contributing analysts. He does not speak for any or all of us just like I speak for no one and no one speaks for me. Or Sammy.
 
According to one person's opinion at Skyline Sports....

I have said that I think the issue with in-state is with optics and effort. Not the priority on or against. And that's an institutional problem more than a football problem.

Schmidt is the one leading this rampage. We have 13 contributing analysts. He does not speak for any or all of us just like I speak for no one and no one speaks for me. Or Sammy.
Fair enough. It's a schmidty problem to have. 🤣
 
In regards to OL recruiting, I would imagine that would depend on the state. I would say we should take into account the automation in the agricultural industry as well as the corporatization of that industry as well and the effects.

Decades ago you had plenty of tough SOBs around all the states mentioned as they were all fairly rural and many of those kids spent their time on the farm or ranch doing manual labor. That has changed and though there is still farm and ranch kids, rural America is dying and corporate America is seeping in. Small towns are struggling to survive and mom and pop farms are going by the wayside. Family farms or generational farms are becoming more scarce.

I think we have seen an effect in this around the state in certain programs whether it’s certain smaller class football and wrestling programs that were powerhouses, it’s not what it was 20 + years ago. I think the recruiting demographic has changed in certain aspects and needs to be acknowledged.

Accessibility to recruits is much easier now on a national level with social media and recruiting sites. Kids that were overlooked before, now end up with better opportunities. I don’t know if a Colston Loveland or Matt Ludwig gets picked up out of Idaho and Montana by Michigan 20 + years ago.
 
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Which of Montana’s offensive trio should the Griz promote most for the Walter Payton Award ? Where does the trio of QB Keali'i Ah Yat, Eli Gillman and Michael Wortham rank in Griz history already?

What do you think of Montana State head coach Brent Vigen’s deliberate, standard-driven and demanding coaching style? How much has that elevated the Bobcats over the last five seasons?

Which quarterback would you rather have RIGHT NOW - Ah Yat or MSU quarterback Justin Lamson?
Gillman and Wortham for Peyton. Would much rather have Ay Yat. Not a close call for me.
 
According to one person's opinion at Skyline Sports....

I have said that I think the issue with in-state is with optics and effort. Not the priority on or against. And that's an institutional problem more than a football problem.

Schmidt is the one leading this rampage. We have 13 contributing analysts. He does not speak for any or all of us just like I speak for no one and no one speaks for me. Or Sammy.
I think this is where people are misunderstanding. It's not that we need to get 20 kids from Montana every class, it's that we are not getting (and apparently not trying very hard to get) the best players in the state. If you're only going to take 5-8 guys from Montana every year because you want to prioritize the portal, at least make sure those 5-8 are the best players in the state possible.

On the OL note, MSU's best OL in the last several years have mostly been out of state guys.
Conner Moore is from Ohio, Omar Aigbedion is from Texas, Rush Reimer is from Washington, and Titan Fleischmann is from Idaho. They do have great guys from MT, but I think it's clear that where they're getting them from isn't the juice here, it's how they're developing them.
 
In regards to OL recruiting, I would imagine that would depend on the state. I would say we should take into account the automation in the agricultural industry as well as the corporatization of that industry as well and the effects.

Decades ago you had plenty of tough SOBs around all the states mentioned as they were all fairly rural and many of those kids spent their time on the farm or ranch doing manual labor. That has changed and though there is still farm and ranch kids, rural America is dying and corporate America is seeping in. Small towns are struggling to survive and mom and pop farms are going by the wayside. Family farms or generational farms are becoming more scarce.

I think we have seen an effect in this around the state in certain programs whether it’s certain smaller class football and wrestling programs that were powerhouses, it’s not what it was 20 + years ago. I think the recruiting demographic has changed in certain aspects and needs to be acknowledged.

Accessibility to recruits is much easier now on a national level with social media and recruiting sites. Kids that were overlooked before, now end up with better opportunities. I don’t know if a Colston Loveland or Matt Ludwig gets picked up out of Idaho and Montana by Michigan 20 + years ago.

This is one of the best discussion points I've read on here all season, especially when it comes to the declining populations in small towns, particularly in Eastern Montana.

This is the Kraig Paulson theory! He told me this, I asked Bobby about it and he said it has some legs!

So many of the great Montana-made offensive lineman came from small, farming communities. Paulson has talked with me in the past about how places like Sidney, Miles City, Plentywood (where Paulson is from), Big Timber, insert name of Montana small town based on agriculture here....have lost so much of their population base. Families don't have nearly as many kids, which means not nearly as many prospects. Also, the declining population means less coaching, less resources for sports etc.

I also think the other thing that has impacted Montana recruiting GREATLY is the evolution of and implementation of spread offenses across basically every level of Montana high school football. You used to always be able to count on getting excellent, road-grater offensive lineman, big ass tight ends and bruising running backs from Montana high schools, particularly at the Class AA and A levels. The old notion from college coaches used to be that "the foundation of our teams and the front lines of the Griz/Cats are built in Montana, while we get our arms and legs everywhere else."

But now, everyone runs everything, as Hauck famously says almost every Monday LOL. But it's true!

Who are some of the best prospects out of Montana over the last 5-7 years? A trio of 5-foot-9 slot receivers from Billings (Gabe Sulser, Junior Bergen, Taco Dowler) who are the type of players that the Montana schools used to go to Cali to get. There's very few Montana offensive lineman to recruit.

This is a COMPLETELY different conversation than the in-state recruiting battle. The Cats are not beating the Griz for in-state offensive lineman, it's the other positions that Schmidt is ranting about. The Cats did have three in-state (kind of) OL last year. Marcus Wehr was a partial scholarship DL out of Billings Central that they just developed well. Justus Perkins is a 6-foot walk-on who's dad played for the Cats. Again, development. And Cole Sain (who's father is from Hamilton even though he prepped in Cali) played for the Griz before they let him go. All ended up all-conference. But that's a different development conversation, not recruiting.

In terms of the accessibility of national recruiting to Montana, this is not a new phenomenon, but rather, a renewed one. It's easy to forget, but Shane Collins from Bozeman High was the Matt Ludwig of the late 1980s. He had over 70 offers. The best of the best were stalking the halls of Bozeman High in the off-season recruiting him for several years straight. Pat Donovan probably had a similar experience. There's been a couple or even a handful of FBS recruits most year from Montana for decades.

In the early 2000s, there were a ton of FBS recruits from Montana. The early 2000s Great Falls CMR team had QB Brady Leaf (Oregon), TE Jason Goodman (Washington), QB Allen Everidge (Nebraska, Kansas State), RB Royce Fulp (Colorado State), WR Tyler Graham (Oregon State baseball, could've gone FBS in football), plus future Griz LB Austin Mullins (Griz), LB Chase Gazerro (Cats), OL Jeff Hansen (Cats), WR Ryan Bagley (Griz), DT Kelly Kain (Montana), DE Mike Murphy (Griz), QB Justin Hartman (Griz).

Other FBS recruits from Montana recently.

Mark AndersonDTFergus (Lewistown)Stanford2001
Matt MillerWRCapital (Helena)Boise State2010
Brock OsweilerQBFlathead (Kalispell)Arizona State2009
Alex GreenAPBButte Central CatholicHawaii2009
Dylan RollinsOTSentinel (Missoula)BYU2021
Matt LudwigTEBillings WestMichigan2026
Quinn ClarkWRGallatin (Bozeman)Nebraska2024
Hayden HanksDTThompson FallsBoise State2024
Jacob KauweKBillings WestKentucky2024

Other historic Montanans who went FBS

  • Shane Collins (Roundup): A two-sport standout who graduated from Bozeman , Collins was an NCAA shot put champion before becoming a defensive end at Arizona State and getting drafted by the Washington Redskins in 1992.

  • Pat Donovan (Helena): Played at Stanford and was a four-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys.

  • Rick Dennison (Kalispell): Played college football at Colorado State before a long NFL career with the Denver Broncos as a player and coach.

  • Dwan Edwards (Columbus): A defensive tackle who played at Oregon State before being drafted in the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

  • John Friesz (Missoula): A College Football Hall of Fame quarterback who played at Idaho and was drafted in the sixth round of the 1990 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers.

  • Ryan Leaf (Great Falls): Drafted second overall in the 1998 NFL Draft after playing quarterback at Washington State.

- Greg Carothers, Helena Capital - Went to Washington.

- Will Dissly, Bozeman High 2013 - Went to Washington, now in the NFL

- Case McMillan, Bilings Central, 2007 - Iowa

- Matt Hustad, Helena - Arizona State 2006

- Pat Ryan, Billings West - Notre Dame 1999

Mitch Donahue, Billings - Wyoming 1985.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more. Matt Kegel, Havre and Washington State. The list goes on.
 
This is one of the best discussion points I've read on here all season, especially when it comes to the declining populations in small towns, particularly in Eastern Montana.

This is the Kraig Paulson theory! He told me this, I asked Bobby about it and he said it has some legs!

So many of the great Montana-made offensive lineman came from small, farming communities. Paulson has talked with me in the past about how places like Sidney, Miles City, Plentywood (where Paulson is from), Big Timber, insert name of Montana small town based on agriculture here....have lost so much of their population base. Families don't have nearly as many kids, which means not nearly as many prospects. Also, the declining population means less coaching, less resources for sports etc.

I also think the other thing that has impacted Montana recruiting GREATLY is the evolution of and implementation of spread offenses across basically every level of Montana high school football. You used to always be able to count on getting excellent, road-grater offensive lineman, big ass tight ends and bruising running backs from Montana high schools, particularly at the Class AA and A levels. The old notion from college coaches used to be that "the foundation of our teams and the front lines of the Griz/Cats are built in Montana, while we get our arms and legs everywhere else."

But now, everyone runs everything, as Hauck famously says almost every Monday LOL. But it's true!

Who are some of the best prospects out of Montana over the last 5-7 years? A trio of 5-foot-9 slot receivers from Billings (Gabe Sulser, Junior Bergen, Taco Dowler) who are the type of players that the Montana schools used to go to Cali to get. There's very few Montana offensive lineman to recruit.

This is a COMPLETELY different conversation than the in-state recruiting battle. The Cats are not beating the Griz for in-state offensive lineman, it's the other positions that Schmidt is ranting about. The Cats did have three in-state (kind of) OL last year. Marcus Wehr was a partial scholarship DL out of Billings Central that they just developed well. Justus Perkins is a 6-foot walk-on who's dad played for the Cats. Again, development. And Cole Sain (who's father is from Hamilton even though he prepped in Cali) played for the Griz before they let him go. All ended up all-conference. But that's a different development conversation, not recruiting.

In terms of the accessibility of national recruiting to Montana, this is not a new phenomenon, but rather, a renewed one. It's easy to forget, but Shane Collins from Bozeman High was the Matt Ludwig of the late 1980s. He had over 70 offers. The best of the best were stalking the halls of Bozeman High in the off-season recruiting him for several years straight. Pat Donovan probably had a similar experience. There's been a couple or even a handful of FBS recruits most year from Montana for decades.

In the early 2000s, there were a ton of FBS recruits from Montana. The early 2000s Great Falls CMR team had QB Brady Leaf (Oregon), TE Jason Goodman (Washington), QB Allen Everidge (Nebraska, Kansas State), RB Royce Fulp (Colorado State), WR Tyler Graham (Oregon State baseball, could've gone FBS in football), plus future Griz LB Austin Mullins (Griz), LB Chase Gazerro (Cats), OL Jeff Hansen (Cats), WR Ryan Bagley (Griz), DT Kelly Kain (Montana), DE Mike Murphy (Griz), QB Justin Hartman (Griz).

Other FBS recruits from Montana recently.

Mark AndersonDTFergus (Lewistown)Stanford2001
Matt MillerWRCapital (Helena)Boise State2010
Brock OsweilerQBFlathead (Kalispell)Arizona State2009
Alex GreenAPBButte Central CatholicHawaii2009
Dylan RollinsOTSentinel (Missoula)BYU2021
Matt LudwigTEBillings WestMichigan2026
Quinn ClarkWRGallatin (Bozeman)Nebraska2024
Hayden HanksDTThompson FallsBoise State2024
Jacob KauweKBillings WestKentucky2024

Other historic Montanans who went FBS

  • Shane Collins (Roundup): A two-sport standout who graduated from Bozeman , Collins was an NCAA shot put champion before becoming a defensive end at Arizona State and getting drafted by the Washington Redskins in 1992.

  • Pat Donovan (Helena): Played at Stanford and was a four-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys.

  • Rick Dennison (Kalispell): Played college football at Colorado State before a long NFL career with the Denver Broncos as a player and coach.

  • Dwan Edwards (Columbus): A defensive tackle who played at Oregon State before being drafted in the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

  • John Friesz (Missoula): A College Football Hall of Fame quarterback who played at Idaho and was drafted in the sixth round of the 1990 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers.

  • Ryan Leaf (Great Falls): Drafted second overall in the 1998 NFL Draft after playing quarterback at Washington State.

- Greg Carothers, Helena Capital - Went to Washington.

- Will Dissly, Bozeman High 2013 - Went to Washington, now in the NFL

- Case McMillan, Bilings Central, 2007 - Iowa

- Matt Hustad, Helena - Arizona State 2006

- Pat Ryan, Billings West - Notre Dame 1999

Mitch Donahue, Billings - Wyoming 1985.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more. Matt Kegel, Havre and Washington State. The list goes on.
Great lis and discussion. Lot of a familiar names. I agree there has always been FBS talent. I just think there was some talent from those 90’s and 00’s teams that slipped through the cracks and made the griz what they were. Not sure that happens as much now due to the electronic accessibility and less reliance on regionality.

Maybe Ludwig was a poor example because the kid is a stud. Just don’t know if he goes to a B1G school 20 years ago or more of a regional power school like a Washington or Oregon. Of course they aren’t PAC schools anymore and as you discussed after the cat game this year. They are recruiting at a much different level now as a B1G member. It’s just a different world we live in. Like most griz faithful that see anything less than a championship as a failure, maybe Schmidt is living in the past too. His fandom does come out just a titch. Cats might call him biased. 😉
 

Which of Montana’s offensive trio should the Griz promote most for the Walter Payton Award ? Where does the trio of QB Keali'i Ah Yat, Eli Gillman and Michael Wortham rank in Griz history already?

What do you think of Montana State head coach Brent Vigen’s deliberate, standard-driven and demanding coaching style? How much has that elevated the Bobcats over the last five seasons?

Which quarterback would you rather have RIGHT NOW - Ah Yat or MSU quarterback Justin Lamson?
Another great video Colter. You do an amazing job at trying to cover all the Big Sky teams. I really enjoy watching your episodes on YouTube. My favorite is your conversations with Tripp. He does an amazing job at breaking down the game in a way most football fans can understand. I honestly feel like he should be coaching with the Griz. His wealth of knowledge could benefit so many young players on the Griz team. Thanks again!
 
Another great video Colter. You do an amazing job at trying to cover all the Big Sky teams. I really enjoy watching your episodes on YouTube. My favorite is your conversations with Tripp. He does an amazing job at breaking down the game in a way most football fans can understand. I honestly feel like he should be coaching with the Griz. His wealth of knowledge could benefit so many young players on the Griz team. Thanks again!
Thank you very much!

And as I've stated on the show, I've known Jordie since we were kids. He'll always be Jordie to me haha. And we've talked ball plenty over the years. But reconnecting with him in this capacity and watching him transform into a top notch analyst is so impressive.

I talk to coaches all the time. His football IQ is second to none and his ability to articulate what he sees is honestly unbelievable. I find myself just listening and learning on our hits. He's so fun to listen to.
 
This is one of the best discussion points I've read on here all season, especially when it comes to the declining populations in small towns, particularly in Eastern Montana.

This is the Kraig Paulson theory! He told me this, I asked Bobby about it and he said it has some legs!

So many of the great Montana-made offensive lineman came from small, farming communities. Paulson has talked with me in the past about how places like Sidney, Miles City, Plentywood (where Paulson is from), Big Timber, insert name of Montana small town based on agriculture here....have lost so much of their population base. Families don't have nearly as many kids, which means not nearly as many prospects. Also, the declining population means less coaching, less resources for sports etc.

I also think the other thing that has impacted Montana recruiting GREATLY is the evolution of and implementation of spread offenses across basically every level of Montana high school football. You used to always be able to count on getting excellent, road-grater offensive lineman, big ass tight ends and bruising running backs from Montana high schools, particularly at the Class AA and A levels. The old notion from college coaches used to be that "the foundation of our teams and the front lines of the Griz/Cats are built in Montana, while we get our arms and legs everywhere else."

But now, everyone runs everything, as Hauck famously says almost every Monday LOL. But it's true!

Who are some of the best prospects out of Montana over the last 5-7 years? A trio of 5-foot-9 slot receivers from Billings (Gabe Sulser, Junior Bergen, Taco Dowler) who are the type of players that the Montana schools used to go to Cali to get. There's very few Montana offensive lineman to recruit.

This is a COMPLETELY different conversation than the in-state recruiting battle. The Cats are not beating the Griz for in-state offensive lineman, it's the other positions that Schmidt is ranting about. The Cats did have three in-state (kind of) OL last year. Marcus Wehr was a partial scholarship DL out of Billings Central that they just developed well. Justus Perkins is a 6-foot walk-on who's dad played for the Cats. Again, development. And Cole Sain (who's father is from Hamilton even though he prepped in Cali) played for the Griz before they let him go. All ended up all-conference. But that's a different development conversation, not recruiting.

In terms of the accessibility of national recruiting to Montana, this is not a new phenomenon, but rather, a renewed one. It's easy to forget, but Shane Collins from Bozeman High was the Matt Ludwig of the late 1980s. He had over 70 offers. The best of the best were stalking the halls of Bozeman High in the off-season recruiting him for several years straight. Pat Donovan probably had a similar experience. There's been a couple or even a handful of FBS recruits most year from Montana for decades.

In the early 2000s, there were a ton of FBS recruits from Montana. The early 2000s Great Falls CMR team had QB Brady Leaf (Oregon), TE Jason Goodman (Washington), QB Allen Everidge (Nebraska, Kansas State), RB Royce Fulp (Colorado State), WR Tyler Graham (Oregon State baseball, could've gone FBS in football), plus future Griz LB Austin Mullins (Griz), LB Chase Gazerro (Cats), OL Jeff Hansen (Cats), WR Ryan Bagley (Griz), DT Kelly Kain (Montana), DE Mike Murphy (Griz), QB Justin Hartman (Griz).

Other FBS recruits from Montana recently.

Mark AndersonDTFergus (Lewistown)Stanford2001
Matt MillerWRCapital (Helena)Boise State2010
Brock OsweilerQBFlathead (Kalispell)Arizona State2009
Alex GreenAPBButte Central CatholicHawaii2009
Dylan RollinsOTSentinel (Missoula)BYU2021
Matt LudwigTEBillings WestMichigan2026
Quinn ClarkWRGallatin (Bozeman)Nebraska2024
Hayden HanksDTThompson FallsBoise State2024
Jacob KauweKBillings WestKentucky2024

Other historic Montanans who went FBS

  • Shane Collins (Roundup): A two-sport standout who graduated from Bozeman , Collins was an NCAA shot put champion before becoming a defensive end at Arizona State and getting drafted by the Washington Redskins in 1992.

  • Pat Donovan (Helena): Played at Stanford and was a four-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys.

  • Rick Dennison (Kalispell): Played college football at Colorado State before a long NFL career with the Denver Broncos as a player and coach.

  • Dwan Edwards (Columbus): A defensive tackle who played at Oregon State before being drafted in the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

  • John Friesz (Missoula): A College Football Hall of Fame quarterback who played at Idaho and was drafted in the sixth round of the 1990 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers.

  • Ryan Leaf (Great Falls): Drafted second overall in the 1998 NFL Draft after playing quarterback at Washington State.

- Greg Carothers, Helena Capital - Went to Washington.

- Will Dissly, Bozeman High 2013 - Went to Washington, now in the NFL

- Case McMillan, Bilings Central, 2007 - Iowa

- Matt Hustad, Helena - Arizona State 2006

- Pat Ryan, Billings West - Notre Dame 1999

Mitch Donahue, Billings - Wyoming 1985.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more. Matt Kegel, Havre and Washington State. The list goes on.
Brian Brown, Columbus - Wyoming 1996
 
This is one of the best discussion points I've read on here all season, especially when it comes to the declining populations in small towns, particularly in Eastern Montana.

This is the Kraig Paulson theory! He told me this, I asked Bobby about it and he said it has some legs!

So many of the great Montana-made offensive lineman came from small, farming communities. Paulson has talked with me in the past about how places like Sidney, Miles City, Plentywood (where Paulson is from), Big Timber, insert name of Montana small town based on agriculture here....have lost so much of their population base. Families don't have nearly as many kids, which means not nearly as many prospects. Also, the declining population means less coaching, less resources for sports etc.

I also think the other thing that has impacted Montana recruiting GREATLY is the evolution of and implementation of spread offenses across basically every level of Montana high school football. You used to always be able to count on getting excellent, road-grater offensive lineman, big ass tight ends and bruising running backs from Montana high schools, particularly at the Class AA and A levels. The old notion from college coaches used to be that "the foundation of our teams and the front lines of the Griz/Cats are built in Montana, while we get our arms and legs everywhere else."

But now, everyone runs everything, as Hauck famously says almost every Monday LOL. But it's true!

Who are some of the best prospects out of Montana over the last 5-7 years? A trio of 5-foot-9 slot receivers from Billings (Gabe Sulser, Junior Bergen, Taco Dowler) who are the type of players that the Montana schools used to go to Cali to get. There's very few Montana offensive lineman to recruit.

This is a COMPLETELY different conversation than the in-state recruiting battle. The Cats are not beating the Griz for in-state offensive lineman, it's the other positions that Schmidt is ranting about. The Cats did have three in-state (kind of) OL last year. Marcus Wehr was a partial scholarship DL out of Billings Central that they just developed well. Justus Perkins is a 6-foot walk-on who's dad played for the Cats. Again, development. And Cole Sain (who's father is from Hamilton even though he prepped in Cali) played for the Griz before they let him go. All ended up all-conference. But that's a different development conversation, not recruiting.

In terms of the accessibility of national recruiting to Montana, this is not a new phenomenon, but rather, a renewed one. It's easy to forget, but Shane Collins from Bozeman High was the Matt Ludwig of the late 1980s. He had over 70 offers. The best of the best were stalking the halls of Bozeman High in the off-season recruiting him for several years straight. Pat Donovan probably had a similar experience. There's been a couple or even a handful of FBS recruits most year from Montana for decades.

In the early 2000s, there were a ton of FBS recruits from Montana. The early 2000s Great Falls CMR team had QB Brady Leaf (Oregon), TE Jason Goodman (Washington), QB Allen Everidge (Nebraska, Kansas State), RB Royce Fulp (Colorado State), WR Tyler Graham (Oregon State baseball, could've gone FBS in football), plus future Griz LB Austin Mullins (Griz), LB Chase Gazerro (Cats), OL Jeff Hansen (Cats), WR Ryan Bagley (Griz), DT Kelly Kain (Montana), DE Mike Murphy (Griz), QB Justin Hartman (Griz).

Other FBS recruits from Montana recently.

Mark AndersonDTFergus (Lewistown)Stanford2001
Matt MillerWRCapital (Helena)Boise State2010
Brock OsweilerQBFlathead (Kalispell)Arizona State2009
Alex GreenAPBButte Central CatholicHawaii2009
Dylan RollinsOTSentinel (Missoula)BYU2021
Matt LudwigTEBillings WestMichigan2026
Quinn ClarkWRGallatin (Bozeman)Nebraska2024
Hayden HanksDTThompson FallsBoise State2024
Jacob KauweKBillings WestKentucky2024

Other historic Montanans who went FBS

  • Shane Collins (Roundup): A two-sport standout who graduated from Bozeman , Collins was an NCAA shot put champion before becoming a defensive end at Arizona State and getting drafted by the Washington Redskins in 1992.

  • Pat Donovan (Helena): Played at Stanford and was a four-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys.

  • Rick Dennison (Kalispell): Played college football at Colorado State before a long NFL career with the Denver Broncos as a player and coach.

  • Dwan Edwards (Columbus): A defensive tackle who played at Oregon State before being drafted in the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

  • John Friesz (Missoula): A College Football Hall of Fame quarterback who played at Idaho and was drafted in the sixth round of the 1990 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers.

  • Ryan Leaf (Great Falls): Drafted second overall in the 1998 NFL Draft after playing quarterback at Washington State.

- Greg Carothers, Helena Capital - Went to Washington.

- Will Dissly, Bozeman High 2013 - Went to Washington, now in the NFL

- Case McMillan, Bilings Central, 2007 - Iowa

- Matt Hustad, Helena - Arizona State 2006

- Pat Ryan, Billings West - Notre Dame 1999

Mitch Donahue, Billings - Wyoming 1985.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more. Matt Kegel, Havre and Washington State. The list goes on.
Tom Corontzos - Great Falls High - Wyoming 88
Eli Workman- Billings Sr - Colorado State mid 90’s
Cory and Tony Hout - Anaconda - Oregon St 90’s
Travis Dorsch - Bozeman High - Purdue 90’s
Mark Gillman - Kalispell - Nebraska 90’s
 
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This is one of the best discussion points I've read on here all season, especially when it comes to the declining populations in small towns, particularly in Eastern Montana.

This is the Kraig Paulson theory! He told me this, I asked Bobby about it and he said it has some legs!

So many of the great Montana-made offensive lineman came from small, farming communities. Paulson has talked with me in the past about how places like Sidney, Miles City, Plentywood (where Paulson is from), Big Timber, insert name of Montana small town based on agriculture here....have lost so much of their population base. Families don't have nearly as many kids, which means not nearly as many prospects. Also, the declining population means less coaching, less resources for sports etc.

I also think the other thing that has impacted Montana recruiting GREATLY is the evolution of and implementation of spread offenses across basically every level of Montana high school football. You used to always be able to count on getting excellent, road-grater offensive lineman, big ass tight ends and bruising running backs from Montana high schools, particularly at the Class AA and A levels. The old notion from college coaches used to be that "the foundation of our teams and the front lines of the Griz/Cats are built in Montana, while we get our arms and legs everywhere else."

But now, everyone runs everything, as Hauck famously says almost every Monday LOL. But it's true!

Who are some of the best prospects out of Montana over the last 5-7 years? A trio of 5-foot-9 slot receivers from Billings (Gabe Sulser, Junior Bergen, Taco Dowler) who are the type of players that the Montana schools used to go to Cali to get. There's very few Montana offensive lineman to recruit.

This is a COMPLETELY different conversation than the in-state recruiting battle. The Cats are not beating the Griz for in-state offensive lineman, it's the other positions that Schmidt is ranting about. The Cats did have three in-state (kind of) OL last year. Marcus Wehr was a partial scholarship DL out of Billings Central that they just developed well. Justus Perkins is a 6-foot walk-on who's dad played for the Cats. Again, development. And Cole Sain (who's father is from Hamilton even though he prepped in Cali) played for the Griz before they let him go. All ended up all-conference. But that's a different development conversation, not recruiting.

In terms of the accessibility of national recruiting to Montana, this is not a new phenomenon, but rather, a renewed one. It's easy to forget, but Shane Collins from Bozeman High was the Matt Ludwig of the late 1980s. He had over 70 offers. The best of the best were stalking the halls of Bozeman High in the off-season recruiting him for several years straight. Pat Donovan probably had a similar experience. There's been a couple or even a handful of FBS recruits most year from Montana for decades.

In the early 2000s, there were a ton of FBS recruits from Montana. The early 2000s Great Falls CMR team had QB Brady Leaf (Oregon), TE Jason Goodman (Washington), QB Allen Everidge (Nebraska, Kansas State), RB Royce Fulp (Colorado State), WR Tyler Graham (Oregon State baseball, could've gone FBS in football), plus future Griz LB Austin Mullins (Griz), LB Chase Gazerro (Cats), OL Jeff Hansen (Cats), WR Ryan Bagley (Griz), DT Kelly Kain (Montana), DE Mike Murphy (Griz), QB Justin Hartman (Griz).

Other FBS recruits from Montana recently.

Mark AndersonDTFergus (Lewistown)Stanford2001
Matt MillerWRCapital (Helena)Boise State2010
Brock OsweilerQBFlathead (Kalispell)Arizona State2009
Alex GreenAPBButte Central CatholicHawaii2009
Dylan RollinsOTSentinel (Missoula)BYU2021
Matt LudwigTEBillings WestMichigan2026
Quinn ClarkWRGallatin (Bozeman)Nebraska2024
Hayden HanksDTThompson FallsBoise State2024
Jacob KauweKBillings WestKentucky2024

Other historic Montanans who went FBS

  • Shane Collins (Roundup): A two-sport standout who graduated from Bozeman , Collins was an NCAA shot put champion before becoming a defensive end at Arizona State and getting drafted by the Washington Redskins in 1992.

  • Pat Donovan (Helena): Played at Stanford and was a four-time Pro Bowl offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys.

  • Rick Dennison (Kalispell): Played college football at Colorado State before a long NFL career with the Denver Broncos as a player and coach.

  • Dwan Edwards (Columbus): A defensive tackle who played at Oregon State before being drafted in the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

  • John Friesz (Missoula): A College Football Hall of Fame quarterback who played at Idaho and was drafted in the sixth round of the 1990 NFL Draft by the San Diego Chargers.

  • Ryan Leaf (Great Falls): Drafted second overall in the 1998 NFL Draft after playing quarterback at Washington State.

- Greg Carothers, Helena Capital - Went to Washington.

- Will Dissly, Bozeman High 2013 - Went to Washington, now in the NFL

- Case McMillan, Bilings Central, 2007 - Iowa

- Matt Hustad, Helena - Arizona State 2006

- Pat Ryan, Billings West - Notre Dame 1999

Mitch Donahue, Billings - Wyoming 1985.

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there's plenty more. Matt Kegel, Havre and Washington State. The list goes on.
Good list, off the top of your head, very impressive.

The one guy I was thinking of was Ryan Zinke from Whitefish played at Oregon.
 
Tom Corontzos - Great Falls High - Wyoming 88
Eli Workman- Billings Sr - Colorado State mid 90’s
Cory and Tony Hout - Anaconda - Oregon St 90’s
Travis Dorsch - Bozeman High - Purdue 90’s
Mark Gillman - Kalispell - Nebraska 90’s
The Huot reference made me think of the Lazetich brothers.

The Dorsch reference made me think of Tanyon Bissell from Bozeman who played at Boise State.

I'm gonna make a spreadsheet now and crowd source this, thanks guys haha
 
did anyone mention john leister from cmr, who went to michigan or some place like that? i remember watching the football championship game between cmr and capital. it was really, really cold. it was easy to see why leister was recruited, but bobby petrino outplayed him and capital won the game, but it was close. and cold. very cold.
 

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