mthoopsfan
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It's the way English is taught in Berkeley.Nah, that's how we talk back where I'm fromHaha good catch. Shouldn't be typing before coffee.
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It’s time to move up to the FBS the Mountain West preferably.
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mthoopsfan
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And still waiting for some other level or conference that allows UM to play against the mid-level teams and go to the playoffs is not delusional? And getting top level NIL or equivalent money to pay for the talent needed to compete well at that level is not delusional? While this will surely change at some point, UM is currently in the great position of being about to get alot of very good talent (FCS and FBS) who want to play for UM and compete for a national championship, and just enough NIL/equivalent money to attract some of those top level players and to pay existing great players enough money to keep them here for another year or two longer. Think Gubner, Bergen, Gillman, etc.Hmmm
GrizMusician
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We need to focus on winning championships at the FCS level before we ever even consider “moving up.”
Griz in Texas
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See, that actually makes sense, see that dog just don't hunt here. NDSU has won ten titles, that makes this a bogus subdivision and all we can do to change it is move up.
I agree with you GM, but the so-called experts on here just don't see it. To them, the idea is lunacy.
Three weeks ago we didn't have an o-line and the defense sucked, now we're ready to jump to a P4. There isn't any in between.
I was thinking more Hicksville, Texas, where I was born
Agreed.
ok, fine. that might be a stretch.Hmmm
Now, imagine if you will, having a Gubner, Bergen, Gillman-level player at EVERY position.
Cool. Well, I'm talking about classifications:
-We are FCS. One step down IN CLASSIFICATION is DII.
-San Jose State is FBS G(whatever) which is one step below P4 (soon, I believe to be solidified by an actual line of demarcation) and one step above us IN CLASSIFICATION.
I'm sorry if I'm making this difficult to understand.
The point remains that we should move down if we want to win NCs via playoffs, and that fans will abandon the program if we don't.
It could be fun to see what we could do with a $53 million conference distribution every single year. Of course, we wouldn't win nearly as much for a long time, so I guess that would make fans have no choice but to withdraw all support from the university. I wonder if the $53 million would cover it. Maybe. Seeing as though our total revenue was like $28 million. Hmm.
Regardless, it's those conference and national championships we really want, so a move down likely makes the most sense. Thankfully, all we really have to do is stay FCS (so, do nothing) to effectuate the drop down.
mthoopsfan
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UM would never have the money to do that. It’s delusionary to think UM could. My view is that UM can attract and hold top players for a bit or more than a bit less money because those players want to know that they will be starters and-or will play alot. Why do to a better program for bigger money and either know you won’t play as much or know that you will likely be fighting for good playing time. Who wants to make big money to mostly sit on bench, when you can play a lot, and try to get to national championship game, even though you will be making less money?
mthoopsfan
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I would say that UM should just keep doing what it’s doing. No reason to move down. UM is in a very nice position right now.
mthoopsfan
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Let us know when FCS becomes D2.
I'm just pointing out that relying on those broad-scale classifications is kind of meaningless. SJSU and Alabama obviously aren't on the same level, not financially or competitively - not even close.
But saying we should move down isn't helping the argument either. I'm sorry if I'm making this difficult to understand. You want us to move up - that's fine - but do you want us to move to the SEC? If not, why not? Because, obviously, we would never be remotely able to compete on that level. So thinking about what level we should play at is a balance. You're mischaracterizing the people who prefer the FCS as only caring about maximizing playoff appearances, which is inaccurate. What matters is finding the right level where we can realistically compete for playoffs and NCs among peer institutions. Neither being curb-stomped by Alabama every week nor beating up on St. Mary's School of the Blind every week should be the goal. The answer is somewhere in between. Maybe that's FCS. Maybe that's a low-level G6 conference. The evidence at the moment points FCS, IMO, but that's just my opinion. I do think many people are very unrealistic about what it would take to even compete at the low-end G6 level, but so be it.
Lol. Well, they can call it whatever they want. Division Bundt Cake. Fact is, there is currently a classification/level above us. Likely soon to be two.
No, you're making it very easy to understand. I think you're just misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I'll just answer it again since it seems like your main question. Yes, if for some ridiculous reason, the SEC officials got all "Bobcat Coordinator" one night and decided to invite UM, I think we'd have to accept. The money flowing our way would change the university overnight. (I thought I actually typed this before, but maybe not).
Back on Earth, I agree with you that the present FCS is the correct "balance" at this moment in time. The problem is I believe it likely won't be for long if things fall where I believe they will in the near future. Simply put, when it comes to the G6, I'd rather be "in" and losing more games presently than "out" and winning more games presently with no way to get "in" when the dust settles.
Put another way: I truly believe if we would've joined the WAC when invited back in, what, 2011-ish, we'd be in the MWC right now. That's just my opinion.
mthoopsfan
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Didn’t the WAC fold right away, so wouldn’t UM have been screwed?
The WAC was banking on getting UM (and potentially MSU) to keep from folding. Us declining is the reason why it folded. We were its last hope.
Well, not with that attitude.
Well, there are some on this very board (hell, in this very thread), who would disagree with your assessment. There are some who've made it clear that if we're not going 10-2 or 11-1 every year fan support would dry up and blow away.
