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Enrollment up again!!!

Griz til I die said:
I’m hoping this is just a blip on the radar as our freshman classes were consistently growing the last 3-4 years. I was not at all expecting to see a decline in that this year. I guess I’d like to know what happened this year. I’m glad the overall enrollment is up though and they were able to remedy this drop. I’m confident that this is a warning sign to Bodnar and co and they will get this fixed ahead of next year. And maybe winning some Football games would help too lol
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Not sure what percentage they made up, but I was told “the applications from international students have fallen off a cliff”.
 
grizfnz said:
Not sure what percentage they made up, but I was told “the applications from international students have fallen off a cliff”.
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I’d have to go back and look at the census report but I’m pretty sure the international number stayed constant. I wouldn’t be surprised though if that’s true. That’ll likely be an issue for every school in America.
 
wbtfg said:
Grad Students (including law)
MSU: 2,023
UM: 3,190
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i suspect, but don't know, that this includes professional schools like pharmacy, which doesn't require a prior bachelor degree for entry because of waning popularity and the need to bring in students to survive. they still supposedly have to pass all the prerequisites, but i witness administrators work around this to up the numbers. one can also enter an mba program without a prior degree. these are very different than phd programs. be interesting to know how those numbers break down.

i was the chair of a (bsc) university's academic standards council for a few years, which was made up of about half administrators/half faculty. we set the standards for admission and retention, and the requirements for both became less and less stringent in order to bring in more students. the vote was usually pretty split, with one or two reliable suck-ups voting with the administrative half to give them a majority. it was about this time when everybody was starting to count affiliated colleges of technology and any other program they could to increase reported #s. i was also the faculty chair at another university for a couple years, and there was a big push to count 'work experience' credits to enroll people who were working jobs as students. been in a business management position for a long time without a degree? no problem, give us some money and we'll give you one, and count you as a student... that particular policy was driven by the university board of directors, who had little interest in hearing the faculty's position.

so anyway, i always take these numbers with a grain of salt. sorry for the long post.
 
argh! said:
i suspect, but don't know, that this includes professional schools like pharmacy, which doesn't require a prior bachelor degree for entry because of waning popularity and the need to bring in students to survive. they still supposedly have to pass all the prerequisites, but i witness administrators work around this to up the numbers. one can also enter an mba program without a prior degree. these are very different than phd programs. be interesting to know how those numbers break down.

i was the chair of a (bsc) university's academic standards council for a few years, which was made up of about half administrators/half faculty. we set the standards for admission and retention, and the requirements for both became less and less stringent in order to bring in more students. the vote was usually pretty split, with one or two reliable suck-ups voting with the administrative half to give them a majority. it was about this time when everybody was starting to count affiliated colleges of technology and any other program they could to increase reported #s. i was also the faculty chair at another university for a couple years, and there was a big push to count 'work experience' credits to enroll people who were working jobs as students. been in a business management position for a long time without a degree? no problem, give us some money and we'll give you one, and count you as a student... that particular policy was driven by the university board of directors, who had little interest in hearing the faculty's position.

so anyway, i always take these numbers with a grain of salt. sorry for the long post.
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Are you saying these things are happening at the U of M, or at your previous school? I don't believe that the majority of those problems you list are happening in Missoula.

Edit -- For example, there are classes that are required to be taken at UM for pre-pharmacy that you cannot skip. UM does require a bachelor's degree from an accredited school to get into the MBA program. They certainly don't give out business management degrees for pay without the person completing the program. I don't believe that UM offers any credits for work experience unless that work is done under a faculty member and directly related to their degree field, but I don't pretend to be an expert on that.
 
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Griz til I die said:
I will say though, I'm a little surprised that the undergrad enrollment dropped by 250 kids. Not sure why and that gives me some pause. Maybe it's just as simple as an outlier in what's otherwise been a very positive trend for UM but they have a year to study it and figure out what's going on there and Bodnar and his staff are smart people who will figure it out. Glad to see graduate school and law school both continue to grow and put our overall enrollment up 253 kids. Now if we didn't have the setback in undergrad, we could've really had something this year! Still great news for UM!
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That has been the trend across the country tho I believe.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
All great info. My key takeaways:

-UM is awesome.
-MSU is doodoo.

It's like when Kia tries to say, "*Well, *pushes up glasses* the new Kia actually has more standard features than [better car brand]", and everyone's like, "Shut up, Kia. You're still a Kia. Go be a Kia over there while we talk."
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Hey man. The new Kia Tellurides are sick!
 
Griz til I die said:
I'm well aware of all of this and I am happy with the direction we're headed at UM. I was just pointing out that I admire that UM is heavily prioritizing MT kids. I think that's important. I as well would love more out of state kids and am hopeful they will find a way to start boosting that number. It's just a little head scratching to me why the percentages (phrasing this carefully so I don't get attacked again) of in state students are so contrasting. Maybe msu prefers it that way? Obviously it is more money and if that's the sole motivation, then that makes perfect sense. Who knows. I just thought it was interesting.
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I mean Bozeman has branded itself as the Yellowstone Dutton Ranch playground for the wealthy. So in turn it seems like the School is following that trend. Seems to be benefiting them financially but again, it is a trend that many in the state don’t want to see. For example they’ve embraced the hospitality industry and announced the opening of an on campus hotel for their student to work in. Who’s going to be staying at that hotel? It’s not mom and dad from Butte. It’s Harry and Lloyd in Aspen.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
Are you saying these things are happening at the U of M, or at your previous school? I don't believe that the majority of those problems you list are happening in Missoula.

Edit -- For example, there are classes that are required to be taken at UM for pre-pharmacy that you cannot skip. UM does require a bachelor's degree from an accredited school to get into the MBA program. They certainly don't give out business management degrees for pay without the person completing the program. I don't believe that UM offers any credits for work experience unless that work is done under a faculty member and directly related to their degree field, but I don't pretend to be an expert on that.
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no, i am not saying these things are happening at um, just that they do happen at places somewhat similar. i know a fairly recent former faculty chair here, i suppose i could ask him, but probably not.
 
garizzalies said:
You were on boards at multiple universities and still don’t know how to use the ‘shift’ button on your keyboard?
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yeah, funny how that works. also funny you wrote that, because when i typed it, i went a bit into 'academic mode' and capitalized throughout the whole damn thing. that's not very argh!-like, so i had to go back and uncapitalize everything. sometimes being 'argh!' requires extra effort.
 
argh! said:
yeah, funny how that works. also funny you wrote that, because when i typed it, i went a bit into 'academic mode' and capitalized throughout the whole damn thing. that's not very argh!-like, so i had to go back and uncapitalize everything. sometimes being 'argh!' requires extra effort.
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…sometimes it does…
: your friend, Yogi
 
wbtfg said:
Interesting spin.

Looking at total numbers. MSU has 1,572 new freshmen from the state Montana.

UM’s entire freshman class is 1,214.

Why is better to have a higher percentage of students from in-state?
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How many of those incoming students at msu will make it to graduation? Because it’s less than 50%
 
argh! said:
yeah, funny how that works. also funny you wrote that, because when i typed it, i went a bit into 'academic mode' and capitalized throughout the whole damn thing. that's not very argh!-like, so i had to go back and uncapitalize everything. sometimes being 'argh!' requires extra effort.
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So you spend extra time to go back through posts to purposely looking dumber?
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BadlandsGrizFan said:
I mean Bozeman has branded itself as the Yellowstone Dutton Ranch playground for the wealthy. So in turn it seems like the School is following that trend. Seems to be benefiting them financially but again, it is a trend that many in the state don’t want to see. For example they’ve embraced the hospitality industry and announced the opening of an on campus hotel for their student to work in. Who’s going to be staying at that hotel? It’s not mom and dad from Butte. It’s Harry and Lloyd in Aspen.
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The hotel is being built by Big Sky Land Management which is a sub of Cross Harbor Capital. The rooms will be discounted for parents visiting the school. The Bozeman area and Big Sky are in desperate need of hospitality personnel with all the new hotels and restaurants. This will primarily benefit those students attending Gallatin College and secondarily those in the four year program at MSU. This was all brought about originally by the Bozeman and Big Sky Chamber of Commerce because of the industry need. The hotel will benefit MSU all the way around.
 
garizzalies said:
Saw this thread title and immediately thought, “bet that one douche bag bub troll who always posts about enrollment is posting in this thread” and sure enough, you did not disappoint.

BTW, does your above stat prove that UM has more of the smartest of the smart students?
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My dude, as soon as I saw a thread about enrollment, I knew it was 1 to 2 seconds before that weird fucker would jump in here and have something to say. I’ve never seen anyone so infatuated with another school’s enrollment than this weirdo. It’s downright strange. I wish he brought the same energy and passion around coaches getting DUIs at his school.
 
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