mthoopsfan
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Was he trying to spin a negative or just providing facts?
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Enrollment up again!!!
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Not so good to see. (Previous link did not work.)
UM ranks #363 among all colleges and universities in the United States.
Among Big Sky schools, this is worse than Montana State, Northern Arizona and Idaho.
Imagine the embarrassment here if our basketball program ranked #363 in the country.
Jeez. C'mon!
It’s still early in the academic season. That’s why I dislike pre-season poles. We’ll know more about where we stand after the spring mid-terms.
Where should we be ranked? Where are those other three ranked?
I mean, sure, but I'm not sure what you were expecting. Neither UM nor MSU has ever been that high in such rankings, and neither have the foundations to climb dramatically higher anytime too soon.
billingsgriz
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Yes, we are the rare Tier One research university without either an engineering school and/or a medical school that recently named Kolter Stevenson from Amsterdam, Montana--isn't Amsterdam really close to Bozeman ?--our 29th Rhodes Scholar--Kolter is a 2024 RS ... We S U C K. : ( !!!
HelenaHandBasket
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Some with more common sense than others apparently.
HelenaHandBasket
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My take, negative spin by distorting the facts.
I think the unfortunate reality is not that they're prioritizing out of state students, just that we are not able to attract the same huge number of out-of-state students. One could argue they're prioritizing in-state more than we are, since they attract way more in-state students than we do.
garizzalies
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Saw this thread title and immediately thought, “bet that one douche bag bub troll who always posts about enrollment is posting in this thread” and sure enough, you did not disappoint.
BTW, does your above stat prove that UM has more of the smartest of the smart students?
thanks for reading eGriz...among the many kat turds who post here, you're the shiniest!
Copper Griz
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This post is very hard to argue with.
Jordan_20
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I was born a Griz, and was always pretty set on going to UM. This year I am a freshman, but I took dual-credit pre calc through the university last year. A slight majority of my friends went to UM, I had quite a few go to MSU. Most of the people going to MSU either wanted an engineering degree, or got offered to run track or something there. In my opinion, the variety of degrees at UM is much superior to MSU. The campus is also light-years better. We are lucky to have such a beautiful campus. I love the older architecture and appreciate the new construction on campus as well. Bodnar has done great so far in getting new construction to campus. I think it really depends on what degrees are popular at the time.
Undergrad full time equivalents are 5,701. That's pretty low. UM twice changed the way it counts enrollment in the past decade, each time adding people to the total that previously weren't counted the same way and de emphasizing the undergrad fte's which used to be the standard for measuring enrollment
For comparrison, undergrad full time equivalents in 1995 numbered 8,000. A decade ago, before changes to the way enrollment was calculated undergrad ftes were 7,800. In 2019, undergrad full time equivalent students numbered 6,275.
So, in a very apples to apples comparrison, UM is not "back."
One of the things about Montana's population increase over the past several years, in both the decennial and vintage Census counts, is that the growth is concentrated in the adult population, not the college age, or even K-12 age population.
The gains in enrollment at MSU have come largely at the expense of the other schools in the Montana University System, which was poorly managed to point of harming the other schools, not just the University of Montana.
For comparrison, undergrad full time equivalents in 1995 numbered 8,000. A decade ago, before changes to the way enrollment was calculated undergrad ftes were 7,800. In 2019, undergrad full time equivalent students numbered 6,275.
So, in a very apples to apples comparrison, UM is not "back."
One of the things about Montana's population increase over the past several years, in both the decennial and vintage Census counts, is that the growth is concentrated in the adult population, not the college age, or even K-12 age population.
The gains in enrollment at MSU have come largely at the expense of the other schools in the Montana University System, which was poorly managed to point of harming the other schools, not just the University of Montana.
BelierPeaux
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Not really, Waded was so hungry to get anyone to enroll she basically made it where any out of state kid who enrolled paid the same tuition as in-state kids via tuition waiver/scholarships. So MSU has big numbers but there are a lot of drawbacks. Did they hire more profs to help out? Not when you can have TAs teaching classes profs should teach. Did they hire more support staff to help with the increase in work around the campus? Not really, they just expect the existing staff to take on more work for the same pay. It’s hard as all get out for them get people hired now with how expensive the gallatin valley is nowadays. It’s possible the new president will fix the infrastructure that no one really sees. Waded was excellent at pumping up the numbers and putting lipstick on the pig, including squashing any sort of negative info about MSU. We’ll see how the new president holds up.
mthoopsfan
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I enjoyed your post. Looks like you know what you're talking about. I didn't know much, if anything, of what you posted. Thx.
Being a dick is HHB's schtick. What's unfortunate is that he generally has good information and would otherwise be a very good poster.
mthoopsfan
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I agree completely. He's often a dick for no reason. I've said the same thing several times.
This is true, and id say the only redeeming piece of the enrollment numbers is the graduate student enrollment, which IS also important and significant. Our Law, pharmacy, PT, MBA, and other grad degrees seem to be thriving.
On the flip side, The undergraduate and FTE #'s are actually alarming. From a general standpoint, these are the students that develop a passion and lifelong affiliation with the university. They are in fraternities / sororities, dorms together, live with their buddies off campus etc. A declining freshman enrollment is really not good, especially in light of our decade long struggle. Proud alum of my university. I sure wish they'd figure this out. I continue to hear stories from parents of college bound students locally. They aren't hearing much from UM, but are inundated with outreach from MSU. Shocks me that they are still struggling in this regard.
I’m hoping this is just a blip on the radar as our freshman classes were consistently growing the last 3-4 years. I was not at all expecting to see a decline in that this year. I guess I’d like to know what happened this year. I’m glad the overall enrollment is up though and they were able to remedy this drop. I’m confident that this is a warning sign to Bodnar and co and they will get this fixed ahead of next year. And maybe winning some Football games would help too lol
