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Griz in Texas
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One other somewhat related note, as to crowd noise. This is directly related to the NAU game last year.
Now, I thought the wave had crashed onto a beach on some island in the Pacific and died some years back. Whoever the genius was that started the wave at this game, please take note for future impulses; if you are going to revive the wave, at least have the understanding that you don't start the wave when Montana is on offense! Why are you trying to make crowd noise when the offense has the ball?
What was particularly hideous is that it took two or three offensive possessions to get the thing to go all the way around the stadium. This only displayed that the originators of said wave do not understand the concept of crowd noise and interaction of the fans at appropriate times during the game.
Now, I thought the wave had crashed onto a beach on some island in the Pacific and died some years back. Whoever the genius was that started the wave at this game, please take note for future impulses; if you are going to revive the wave, at least have the understanding that you don't start the wave when Montana is on offense! Why are you trying to make crowd noise when the offense has the ball?
What was particularly hideous is that it took two or three offensive possessions to get the thing to go all the way around the stadium. This only displayed that the originators of said wave do not understand the concept of crowd noise and interaction of the fans at appropriate times during the game.
CrunchGriz
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...and what's with a wave at a Montana game, anyway? Montana, landlocked state, no oceans. Maybe a wake, or a ripple, or a rapid, but a wave?
Maybe do something similar from the top of the stadium to the bottom, and call it an 'Avalanche'--that makes more sense for Montana.
And as for the entrance music, just make it something repetitive, loud, and aggressive--and preferably not something every college and pro team in the country is using.
Maybe do something similar from the top of the stadium to the bottom, and call it an 'Avalanche'--that makes more sense for Montana.
And as for the entrance music, just make it something repetitive, loud, and aggressive--and preferably not something every college and pro team in the country is using.
That actually would be kind of sick
Just play whatever the team wants to hear. Old granny and grampy Griz fan can just deal.
Either that or exotic dancers and cash cannons loaded with drink coupons
Either that or exotic dancers and cash cannons loaded with drink coupons
Somehow, I envision Bobby Hill making the Yell Leader squad.
The thing about the wave is a lot of people just choose not to participate, myself included most of the time.
But to whomever starts the Montana Grizzlies chant when we're on offense, STOP DOING THAT!!!! No real fan wants to not participate, but not when we're on offense!!!!
DoubleNicks
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Here's AI's recommendations
Fan-Favorite Pregame Tracks
Song School(s) Why It Works “Sandstorm” – Darude South Carolina Creates a rave-like atmosphere; towels flying, crowd roaring “Enter Sandman” – Metallica Virginia Tech Legendary entrance; Lane Stadium literally shakes2 “Back in Black” – AC/DC Iowa Used during “The Swarm” entrance; builds tension and unity “Sirius” – Alan Parsons Project Chicago Bulls / Various Iconic build-up; used by teams for dramatic tunnel exits “Jump Around” – House of Pain Wisconsin Played between 3rd and 4th quarters; entire stadium jumps “We Will Rock You” – Queen Nationwide Universal hype anthem; stomps and claps unify fans “Lose Yourself” – Eminem Multiple Motivational lyrics; used by players and teams pregame “Welcome to the Jungle” – Guns N’ Roses LSU / Others Aggressive tone; sets a battle-ready mood
What Makes These Songs Effective?
- Rhythmic Unity: Tracks like “We Will Rock You” and “Jump Around” create synchronized crowd movement.
- Build-Up & Drop: “Sandstorm” and “Sirius” offer slow builds followed by explosive energy.
- Cultural Identity: Songs like “Enter Sandman” are deeply tied to school tradition and pride.
- Lyrics That Hit: “Lose Yourself” and “Back in Black” speak directly to grit, focus, and intensity.
Honorable Mentions
- “Till I Collapse” – Eminem ft. Nate Dogg
- “Stronger” – Kanye West
- “Get Ready for This” – 2 Unlimited
- “Eye of the Tiger” – Survivor
Ya know, mentioning AI, there's algorithms out there now that make relatively impressive songs just from compiling lines from the comment sections of social media vids. Here's an example from "Chat Music" (warning - some comments are kinda unhinged but they gave me a chuckle plus the "Mirror, mirror" chorus part is kind of catchy):
Most of Chat Music's songs have the same style but I've heard/seen other similar AI music channels that cover all kinds of styles and genres. So, I don't see why AI couldn't create a good entrance song that could be unique to the school.
I remember "Enter Sandman" blaring over a tired stadium soundsytem as the team went through pregame in 1992, the year after the Black Album was released. It was one of the songs the players wanted to hear during pregame.
The only reason to play it now is to placate some 50-plus geezer. Time to move on.
The only reason to play it now is to placate some 50-plus geezer. Time to move on.
Walrus
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Taking this even further, an entire game that uses only AI generated music has the potential to be hilarious. You could tailor it to fit the teams, current score, NEZ, FTC, whatever is happening at the time. UM could print money claiming to be the first "AI-powered university" and nobody could complain about anything being dated or repetitive because all the songs are all new!
The lyrics of AI generated songs tend to be embarrassingly bad when they try to be serious, but leaning into the camp factor could be fun. You can still instruct it to do callbacks to the classics, "Bring 'Em Out" for example.
But then follow it up with something more contemporary, geared towards the younger generations.
With apologies to the musicians being put out of work right now. Part of me bristles at the idea of automating away art and human expression instead of menial labor, but that's probably a sign that I have also entered the "I'm not out of touch, it is the children who are wrong" phase. And some of the AI songs are really damn funny.
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billingsgriz
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Montana has only been a landlocked state since 1933, less than 100 years ago.
When gold was discovered in the early 1860's and Bannack and then Virginia City boomed, the gold camps were largely supplied by .steam boats chugging up the Missouri River from St. Louis or New Orleans, making Fort Benton, at first a fur-trapping post, the furthest inland port in the world--over 1,500 miles from St. Louis and over 2,000 miles from New Orleans.
Supplies were off-loaded to oxen-drawn heavy supply wagons and teamsters drove them to the gold camps in SW Montana--this also led to creation of The Teamster's Union. When Sitting Bull and Gall were pushed into Canada by Col. Nelson A. Miles ( Miles City) following Custer's annihilation @ The Little Big Horn on June 25-26,1876, the Northern Pacific and Great Northern could finally cross Montana in 1883, and they largely ended the steamboat cargo traffic at Fort Benton.
The construction of Fort Peck Dam on the Missouri as part of FDR's New Deal starting in 1933 brought badly needed jobs during The Depression and electrified for the first time most farms and ranches in Central and Eastern Montana starting in 1943, but Fort Peck and the other 5 dams on the Missouri also ended all upstream traffic on the Missouri to Fort Benton from New Orleans and St. Louis. While diesel-powered riverboats today could not compete in price competing with the railroads to haul freight up the Missouri to Fort Benton, there would almost certainly be a strong seasonal market hauling tourists from May to October doing the retracting of Lewis and Clark's journey up the Missouri to Fort Benton if those Missouri River Dams did not exist.
You are a good story teller. I always enjoy your posts.
Ok, ok. These are hilarious. You know what you have to do now, right? MSdUi, all its glorious shitfuckery, needs the AI treatment.Taking this even further, an entire game that uses only AI generated music has the potential to be hilarious. You could tailor it to fit the teams, current score, NEZ, FTC, whatever is happening at the time. UM could print money claiming to be the first "AI-powered university" and nobody could complain about anything being dated or repetitive because all the songs are all new!
The lyrics of AI generated songs tend to be embarrassingly bad when they try to be serious, but leaning into the camp factor could be fun. You can still instruct it to do callbacks to the classics, "Bring 'Em Out" for example.
But then follow it up with something more contemporary, geared towards the younger generations.
With apologies to the musicians being put out of work right now. Part of me bristles at the idea of automating away art and human expression instead of menial labor, but that's probably a sign that I have also entered the "I'm not out of touch, it is the children who are wrong" phase. And some of the AI songs are really damn funny.
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garizzalies
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Oh. My. Goodness.Ok, ok. These are hilarious. You know what you have to do now, right? MSdUi, all its glorious shitfuckery, needs the AI treatment.
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This.Ok, ok. These are hilarious. You know what you have to do now, right? MSdUi, all its glorious shitfuckery, needs the AI treatment.
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lmaoOk, ok. These are hilarious. You know what you have to do now, right? MSdUi, all its glorious shitfuckery, needs the AI treatment.
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billingsgriz
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I would be remiss for failing to discuss the most famous historic response incident reflecting Fort Benton's status as the furthest inland port in the world, connected to the demise of Montana's most famous Irishman, with apologies to Copper King Marcus Daly.
Thomas Francis Meagher, ( Mar ) former leader of The Young Irelanders and The Young Irish Rebellion of 1848, subsequently sentenced to death by The British for sedition and then the UK commuted his sentence to permanent exile and shipped him to Austrailia's Tasmania, whereupon soon after, he sailed to New York City becoming a journalist and lecturer for Irish independence starting in 1852 and eventually, a pro-Union, anti-slavery Democrat, founder and leader of Company K of The 69th New York Militia, attaining the rank first of colonel and then later, brigadier general ( one star) of his 4,000 man strong Irish Brigade that he helped recruit primarily in NY City and organize. Company K of NY' 69th Regiment first saw heavy combat in the Civil War at The First Battle of Bull Run at Manasas, Virginia on July 21, 1861, a Confederate beat down of the over-confident Union Army, and then leading his Irish Brigade in Gen. McClellan's 1862 Penisula Campaign, an advance on Richmond, the Confederate Capital in Virginia, winning a Union victory at The Battles of Fair Oaks on May 30-June 1, 1862 and then being on the losing end of new Confederate General Robert E. Lee's first victory as Commanding General of The Army of Northern Virginia at The Battle at Gains Mill on June 27, where Meagher's Irish Brigade reinforced a crumbling Union Corps, preventing an even more crushing Union defeat, and then McClellan-- Lee's Battle of Antietam ( Creek ) in Maryland, Sept.17, 1862 the bloodiest single day in American history where over 3,600 Union and Conderate soldiers were killed in this meat grinder in just 12 hours of very intense combat and 19,000 other soldiers were wounded or went missing in action, and where Meagher's Irish Brigade alone suffered 540 killed and wounded and Meagher, like First Bull Run, was accused of again being drunk when he fell off his horse during his charge--Gen. McClellan after the battle defended Meagher, stating his brigade commander's horse had been shot out from under Meagher, and that his Irish Brigade Commander was indeed not drunk--in a major Union victory that gave President Lincoln the green
light to issue the subsequent Emancipation Proclamation on Jan. 1, 1863 freeing the slaves, and the subsequent major Union defeats in Virginia at the hands of Lee and subordinates such as Stonewall Jackson @ Fredericksburg, Dec. 11-14, 1862, where Meagher led 1,200 of his Irish Catholics on an attack with only 280 of those same soldiers that had not been killed or wounded able to fight the next day and Chancellorsville, April 30-May 4, 1863 , a major Confederate victory where Lt. General Jackson was accidentally killed by his own Confederate soldiers in a friendly-fire incident. So Meagher saw a lot of The Civil War and was a brave, courageous leader, if not always sober, but he angrily resigned from the Army in May, 1863 when the Army refused to allow him to return to NYC to recruit more Irishmen to replenish his decimated Irish Brigade, and he subsequently was not at the pivotal Union victory at The Battle of Gettysburg, July 1-3, 1863. Meagher was recalled to active duty in Dec. of 1863, but he was sent by the Army out West into the Ohio River Valley--his combat career was over.Remaining active in Democratic politics following the end of the war and Lincoln's assassination, new President Andrew Johnson, a Tennessee pro-Union, more or less, Democrat, appointed Meagher the Montana Territorial Secretary of State, where he served from September of 1865 to October of 1866, and then in Dec. of 1866, was appointed by Johnson as Acting Territorial Governor to replace temporarily the permanent Territorial Governor Sidney Edgerton. ( Sidney Edgerton was an Ohio lawyer that came to Bannack from Idaho, where he was Chief Justice of The Idaho Territorial Supreme Court, and besides being appointed Montana's first Territorial Governor by Abraham Lincoln, along with his nephew lawyer Wilbur Fisk Sanders and 5 other Bannack and Virginia City Freemasons, including Nathaniel Langford and Granville Stuart, formed The Vigilantes of Montana, 3-7-77 to eliminate the robbery and murder of Sheriff Henry Plummer's road agent gang. )
Since unlike the Union Pacific, which completed the transcontinental railroad far south of Montana in Wyoming and Utah in 1866, the Northern Pacific could not complete its railroad across Southern Montana because Sitting Bull, Gall, Crazy Horse and Two Moons' Lakota ( Sioux )
billingsgriz
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and their Northern Cheyenne allies fiercely protected their prime buffalo hunting grounds in Southeastern Montana along the Yellowstone, Big Horn and Little Big Horn rivers and valleys, back in the 1860's and 70's, when Montanans, including their political leaders, needed to go back east to St. Louis, New York or DC, they would get on the steamboat at Fort Benton and travel back to Bismarck or St. Louis, where they could then board a passenger train and finish their journey heading east or even south.
So Thomas Francis Meagher, our acting MontanaTerritorial Governor, was doing on July 1, 1867 on a steamboat that originated at Fort Benton when he was apparently drunk and/or sick with dysentery, and/or was drunk and pushed off the boat and murdered by his Republican political enemies ( " The Immortal Irishman," by Timothy Egan, 2016). Meagher is remembered today by his statue on his horse in his Union Army uniform leading an Irish Brigade charge during The Civil War on display in front of The Montana State Capitol in Helena, Meagher County in Central Montana named in his honor, White Sulphur Springs, county seat, and most importantly for GRIZ fans, the Meagher Bar on West Pine in Missoula owned by the same great GRIZ family that owns Hooligan's and The Montana Brewing Company in Billings, The Vig in the Billings Heights, and the famous political watering hole in Helena, The Windbag Saloon on Last Chance Gulch and at least one other fine establishment way out on The West End in Billings--I never drive out that far: get car sick
!!! ( I haven't seen Mike for about 5 years--I think he's now semi-retired and Sean and Mike's kids are running the show.)
Sorry for the long,-winded explanation, but as an old Montana history teacher and National Park Service Interpretive Ranger at Little Big Horn, I kinda like history, as you can tell !!!
So Thomas Francis Meagher, our acting MontanaTerritorial Governor, was doing on July 1, 1867 on a steamboat that originated at Fort Benton when he was apparently drunk and/or sick with dysentery, and/or was drunk and pushed off the boat and murdered by his Republican political enemies ( " The Immortal Irishman," by Timothy Egan, 2016). Meagher is remembered today by his statue on his horse in his Union Army uniform leading an Irish Brigade charge during The Civil War on display in front of The Montana State Capitol in Helena, Meagher County in Central Montana named in his honor, White Sulphur Springs, county seat, and most importantly for GRIZ fans, the Meagher Bar on West Pine in Missoula owned by the same great GRIZ family that owns Hooligan's and The Montana Brewing Company in Billings, The Vig in the Billings Heights, and the famous political watering hole in Helena, The Windbag Saloon on Last Chance Gulch and at least one other fine establishment way out on The West End in Billings--I never drive out that far: get car sick
!!! ( I haven't seen Mike for about 5 years--I think he's now semi-retired and Sean and Mike's kids are running the show.)Sorry for the long,-winded explanation, but as an old Montana history teacher and National Park Service Interpretive Ranger at Little Big Horn, I kinda like history, as you can tell !!!
MissoulaMarinerFan
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and their Northern Cheyenne allies fiercely protected their prime buffalo hunting grounds in Southeastern Montana along the Yellowstone, Big Horn and Little Big Horn rivers and valleys, back in the 1860's and 70's, when Montanans, including their political leaders, needed to go back east to St. Louis, New York or DC, they would get on the steamboat at Fort Benton and travel back to Bismarck or St. Louis, where they could then board a passenger train and finish their journey heading east or even south.
So Thomas Francis Meagher, our acting MontanaTerritorial Governor, was doing on July 1, 1867 on a steamboat that originated at Fort Benton when he was apparently drunk and/or sick with dysentery, and/or was drunk and pushed off the boat and murdered by his Republican political enemies ( " The Immortal Irishman," by Timothy Egan, 2016). Meagher is remembered today by his statue on his horse in his Union Army uniform leading an Irish Brigade charge during The Civil War on display in front of The Montana State Capitol in Helena, Meagher County in Central Montana named in his honor, White Sulphur Springs, county seat, and most importantly for GRIZ fans, the Meagher Bar on West Pine in Missoula owned by the same great GRIZ family that owns Hooligan's and The Montana Brewing Company in Billings, The Vig in the Billings Heights, and the famous political watering hole in Helena, The Windbag Saloon on Last Chance Gulch and at least one other fine establishment way out on The West End in Billings--I never drive out that far: get car sick
Sorry for the long,-winded explanation, but as an old Montana history teacher and National Park Service Interpretive Ranger at Little Big Horn, I kinda like history, as you can tell !!!
I would be remiss for failing to discuss the most famous historic response incident reflecting Fort Benton's status as the furthest inland port in the world, connected to the demise of Montana's most famous Irishman, with apologies to Copper King Marcus Daly.
Thomas Francis Meagher, ( Mar ) former leader of The Young Irelanders and The Young Irish Rebellion of 1848, subsequently sentenced to death by The British for sedition and then the UK commuted his sentence to permanent exile and shipped him to Austrailia's Tasmania, whereupon soon after, he sailed to New York City becoming a journalist and lecturer for Irish independence starting in 1852 and eventually, a pro-Union, anti-slavery Democrat, founder and leader of Company K of The 69th New York Militia, attaining the rank first of colonel and then later, brigadier general ( one star) of his 4,000 man strong Irish Brigade that he helped recruit primarily in NY City and organize. Company K of NY' 69th Regiment first saw heavy combat in the Civil War at The First Battle of Bull Run at Manasas, Virginia on July 21, 1861, a Confederate beat down of the over-confident Union Army, and then leading his Irish Brigade in Gen. McClellan's 1862 Penisula Campaign, an advance on Richmond, the Confederate Capital in Virginia, winning a Union victory at The Battles of Fair Oaks on May 30-June 1, 1862 and then being on the losing end of new Confederate General Robert E. Lee's first victory as Commanding General of The Army of Northern Virginia at The Battle at Gains Mill on June 27, where Meagher's Irish Brigade reinforced a crumbling Union Corps, preventing an even more crushing Union defeat, and then McClellan-- Lee's Battle of Antietam ( Creek ) in Maryland, Sept.17, 1862 the bloodiest single day in American history where over 3,600 Union and Conderate soldiers were killed in this meat grinder in just 12 hours of very intense combat and 19,000 other soldiers were wounded or went missing in action, and where Meagher's Irish Brigade alone suffered 540 killed and wounded and Meagher, like First Bull Run, was accused of again being drunk when he fell off his horse during his charge--Gen. McClellan after the battle defended Meagher, stating his brigade commander's horse had been shot out from under Meagher, and that his Irish Brigade Commander was indeed not drunk--in a major Union victory that gave President Lincoln the green
Remaining active in Democratic politics following the end of the war and Lincoln's assassination, new President Andrew Johnson, a Tennessee pro-Union, more or less, Democrat, appointed Meagher the Montana Territorial Secretary of State, where he served from September of 1865 to October of 1866, and then in Dec. of 1866, was appointed by Johnson as Acting Territorial Governor to replace temporarily the permanent Territorial Governor Sidney Edgerton. ( Sidney Edgerton was an Ohio lawyer that came to Bannack from Idaho, where he was Chief Justice of The Idaho Territorial Supreme Court, and besides being appointed Montana's first Territorial Governor by Abraham Lincoln, along with his nephew lawyer Wilbur Fisk Sanders and 5 other Bannack and Virginia City Freemasons, including Nathaniel Langford and Granville Stuart, formed The Vigilantes of Montana, 3-7-77 to eliminate the robbery and murder of Sheriff Henry Plummer's road agent gang. )
Since unlike the Union Pacific, which completed the transcontinental railroad far south of Montana in Wyoming and Utah in 1866, the Northern Pacific could not complete its railroad across Southern Montana because Sitting Bull, Gall, Crazy Horse and Two Moons' Lakota ( Sioux )
