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ElrodGrizzly said:
I believe he is referring to the family that ruled England in the 16th century. They were all great students.
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You have this wrong. It's a watch made by Rolex.
Consider the fact that the students who work for Rolex in school need to spend a good amount of time studying these watches from their professor and it's just another reason why Rolex watches are so expensive. "Your point is well taken but sometimes former students make the best tudors for a given class. It's a pretty good analogy I think to compare the assistant coaches to class room tudors and not professors."
 
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oldngrizzly said:
You have this wrong. It's a watch made by Rolex.
Consider the fact that the students who work for Rolex in school need to spend a good amount of time studying these watches from their professor and it's just another reason why Rolex watches are so expensive. "Your point is well taken but sometimes former students make the best tudors for a given class. It's a pretty good analogy I think to compare the assistant coaches to class room tudors and not professors."
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I did a little digging. I think he was actually referring to the style of architecture. Those who live in dorms of that style are commonly in the honors program, and therefor make the best students.
 
While I think Realist could maybe soften his approach in this thread, I don't necessarily think he's wrong here. I love Sammy, but I'm not sure I'd say he's fully qualified to step into our WR coach spot, especially with so many new faces, without having any substantive D1 coaching experience as a GA or analyst.

Not saying he couldn't be great at it, I'd just prefer we go get someone with a real track record of leading and coaching up college athletes.

Ferriter or Pflugrad would be an absolute slam dunk, although I'd be surprised if either ended up being the guy.

I think Hoops has mentioned/confirmed in the past that there is nothing legally keeping Robin from coaching here again (correct me if I'm misremembering, though Hoops), but the school may still feel like they can't open that can of worms. I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but I think he's enjoying retirement now.
 
Griz in Texas said:
You are correct. Ferriter is the OC at CWU.

Wasn't Pflugrad on the staff in 2009 under Bobby? He is sitting at the house so the question would be how retired is he.

At this point, a week from the start of camp, you have to make some calls and send out some feelers to see who might come in though I would think.
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Would love to see Robin back in Missoula--that would be poetic justice and a big middle finger to Krackhead and his poorly written book, but unfortunately, that probably won't happen.
 
billingsgriz said:
Would love to see Robin back in Missoula--that would be poetic justice and a big middle finger to Krackhead and his poorly written book, but unfortunately, that probably won't happen.
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I'm a little bitter still that we put ourselves on sanctions over the big offenses that I heard amounted to someone else's parents paying for folded laundry and some lunch a few times. That still wasn't enough, then Robin was forced onto that sword to save some hurt feelings, some of which he had nothing to do with. It would be wonderful to give the ultimate one finger wave to the people that went nuts when Bobby was rehired.
I don't think Robin will be back either, but like I said, we can dream. If they make the call, the worst that happens is that he says no.
 
Griz in Texas said:
You are correct. Ferriter is the OC at CWU.

Wasn't Pflugrad on the staff in 2009 under Bobby? He is sitting at the house so the question would be how retired is he.

At this point, a week from the start of camp, you have to make some calls and send out some feelers to see who might come in though I would think.
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You are correct, Pflu did come back to be the wide receiver coach in 2009 on Bobby's staff before heading up the program in 2010. I had forgotten about that.
 
GrizRealist said:
You guys are right. The first thing UM should do for every open coaching position is try to hire a former Griz player no matter who else has thrown their hat in the ring. Their possible lack of experience can be easily overcome by being able to tell players they too were a Griz player in their day. Why would UM go out and try to hire an existing WR coach who has put in work and proven themselves when they could just go and grab a former player and call it a day. Not sure why I didn’t see it this way before.
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I understand you were exaggerating for effect and was with you until this post. The Griz don't have to hire a former player for any position and they should always go for the best hire. However, the devil is in the details and determined by the parameters that are used to make the hire. Does experience trump skillset? It might. Just because someone is a GA doesn't mean they will be a good hire. Just because someone is a position coach doesn't mean they will be a good hire. Just because someone is a head coach doesn't mean they will be a good hire. In addition, it is the coaches and support system you have around the new hire that can make all the difference.

Personally, IMHO, I say go for the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. However, the devil is in the details and the parameters that are used to make the hire. Sammy Akem might or might not be the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. Mike Ferriter may or may not be the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. I will leave the hiring to the professionals that have hired before with good results.

IMO, the ideal candidate would have these skills, experiences, and Montana-specific traits.

Skills:
  • Route Crafting & Technique Development: Expertise in teaching precise route running, release techniques, and ball tracking.
  • Scheme Integration: Ability to align WR play with offensive systems. Ability to coach in a system that blends pro-style and spread concepts.
  • Film Analysis & Scouting: Breaking down opponent tendencies and WR performance to refine game plans.
  • Recruiting & Talent ID: Evaluating high school and transfer prospects who fit Montana’s culture and system.
  • Mentorship & Leadership: Building trust with players, fostering growth on and off the field.
Experience:
  • Multi-Level Coaching Background: Coached at multiple schools, showing adaptability across competitive tiers.
  • Position Versatility: Previously coached multiple offensive positions, valuable for understanding offensive cohesion.
  • Recruit & Development: Mentored future NFL players and helped develop breakout players.
  • Family Legacy & Cultural Fit: Deep ties to Montana football helps the coach connect with Montana history, culture, and ethos.
Montana-specific traits:
  • Resilience & Adaptability: The WR room recently lost its top five pass catchers, so the coach must rebuild with redshirt freshmen and transfers.
  • Championship Standards: Coaches are expected to contribute to Big Sky title runs.
  • Community Engagement: Montana values coaches who embrace Griz Nation and the Missoula community.
 
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GrizRealist said:
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Nice rebuttal dumb ass.
 
uofmman1122 said:
While I think Realist could maybe soften his approach in this thread, I don't necessarily think he's wrong here. I love Sammy, but I'm not sure I'd say he's fully qualified to step into our WR coach spot, especially with so many new faces, without having any substantive D1 coaching experience as a GA or analyst.

Not saying he couldn't be great at it, I'd just prefer we go get someone with a real track record of leading and coaching up college athletes.

Ferriter or Pflugrad would be an absolute slam dunk, although I'd be surprised if either ended up being the guy.

I think Hoops has mentioned/confirmed in the past that there is nothing legally keeping Robin from coaching here again (correct me if I'm misremembering, though Hoops), but the school may still feel like they can't open that can of worms. I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but I think he's enjoying retirement now.
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I don't know Pflu's status with UM. There wasn't anything in his settlement agreement, where he was paid his remaining salary and agreed not to sue. As I have said before, in retrospect, he should have sued, in my view. I don't recall what I may have said previously or what I was trying to answer. My view is that Englstrom fired him, and was wrong to do that and was proven wrong. Zero ever came out supporting what Englstrom did. Engstrom is long gone. Pflu has coached at 2 other Big Sky schools since he left, and at a JC. Jeez, how long should Engstrom's stupid and unsupported decision impact Pflu and UM football? And supposedly Pat Williams put pressure on Engstrom to fire Pflu, and Williams is dead. I know you agree.
 
GriznMN said:
I understand you were exaggerating for effect and was with you until this post. The Griz don't have to hire a former player for any position and they should always go for the best hire. However, the devil is in the details and determined by the parameters that are used to make the hire. Does experience trump skillset? It might. Just because someone is a GA doesn't mean they will be a good hire. Just because someone is a position coach doesn't mean they will be a good hire. Just because someone is a head coach doesn't mean they will be a good hire. In addition, it is the coaches and support system you have around the new hire that can make all the difference.

Personally, IMHO, I say go for the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. However, the devil is in the details and the parameters that are used to make the hire. Sammy Akem might or might not be the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. Mike Ferriter may or may not be the best hire and a hire that fits into the culture. I will leave the hiring to the professionals that have hired before with good results.

IMO, the ideal candidate would have these skills, experiences, and Montana-specific traits.

Skills:
  • Route Crafting & Technique Development: Expertise in teaching precise route running, release techniques, and ball tracking.
  • Scheme Integration: Ability to align WR play with offensive systems. Ability to coach in a system that blends pro-style and spread concepts.
  • Film Analysis & Scouting: Breaking down opponent tendencies and WR performance to refine game plans.
  • Recruiting & Talent ID: Evaluating high school and transfer prospects who fit Montana’s culture and system.
  • Mentorship & Leadership: Building trust with players, fostering growth on and off the field.
Experience:
  • Multi-Level Coaching Background: Coached at multiple schools, showing adaptability across competitive tiers.
  • Position Versatility: Previously coached multiple offensive positions, valuable for understanding offensive cohesion.
  • Recruit & Development: Mentored future NFL players and helped develop breakout players.
  • Family Legacy & Cultural Fit: Erickson’s deep ties to Montana football (his grandfather coached there) helped him connect with the program’s ethos.
Montana-specific traits:
  • Resilience & Adaptability: The WR room recently lost its top five pass catchers, so the coach must rebuild with redshirt freshmen and transfers.
  • Championship Standards: Coaches are expected to contribute to Big Sky title runs.
  • Community Engagement: Montana values coaches who embrace Griz Nation and the Missoula community.
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What I would do is do the opposite of what posters like Realist suggest. They usually don't know what they are talking about, exaggerate to the point of absurdity, are broken records, have axes to grind, and sometimes have gone from posting name to posting name without saying or admitting they've done that.
 
GrizRealist said:
Kirby Smart, Brian Kelly, Sark, Dan Lanning, Ryan Day. I could name coaches all day long who would never make a dumb hire of a previous player with zero coaching experience. Decision making like that is how you get fired.
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Not a great comparison as a WR coach on their respective coaching staffs would get paid several times more than the same position at UM, which would in turn open up the applicant pool to far more experienced potential candidates.
 
BrownBear9501 said:
Not a great comparison as a WR coach on their respective coaching staffs would get paid several times more than the same position at UM, which would in turn open up the applicant pool to far more experienced potential candidates.
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The receiver coach at Georgia makes more than Hauck. "The wide receivers coach at Georgia, James Coley, makes $650,000 in his first year back at Georgia, according to a report from DawgNation. The second year of his contract will see his salary increase to $850,000."
 
SoCal Surfer said:
IMO, Pat Kennedy was the worst MBB HC the Griz have had since the mid 60s.
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At some point he was a good coach and then he started on the trail that several others followed as well that got the programs that he picked up in trouble and he left them in a wake of disaster. By the time he got to Missoula and wouldn't establish an actual residence, it was evident to many that he just didn't care anymore. For that, I would put him up for the worst ever, maybe across all athletic programs, his apathy was worse than ineptitude.
 
oldngrizzly said:
You have this wrong. It's a watch made by Rolex.
Consider the fact that the students who work for Rolex in school need to spend a good amount of time studying these watches from their professor and it's just another reason why Rolex watches are so expensive. "Your point is well taken but sometimes former students make the best tudors for a given class. It's a pretty good analogy I think to compare the assistant coaches to class room tudors and not professors."
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you are both wrong ....
 
GrizRealist said:
It would. And the vast majority of them are an analyst/GA for several years before they are apart of the actual on field coaching staff. The switch to the role of coach from player is not as easy as some are making it out to be.
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Don't tell NDSU. They hired Carson Wentz as their QB coach without being an analyst or GA for several years or AT ALL.
 
GriznMN said:
Don't tell NDSU. They hired Carson Wentz as their QB coach without being an analyst or GA for several years or AT ALL.
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Joe Beschorner is their QB coach in Fall camp and in articles about QB decisions. I know what was announced a couple of months ago but is not the case apparently.
 
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