Trump Considers Executive Order on College Athlete Payments

[SoldierGriz]

Why is Trump attacking true capitalism and free markets? Here's a shocker for those complaining about NIL in college athletics 'If you don't like how the market operates, don't participate.'

Many schools will do just that...won't participate because they can't compete.

I am a huge Olympic Sport fan. Those sports are in jeopardy nation-wide with the current trajectory of NIL.

Those of you who love this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why...

 

[406football]

Many schools will do just that...won't participate because they can't compete.

I am a huge Olympic Sport fan. Those sports are in jeopardy nation-wide with the current trajectory of NIL.

Those of you who love this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why...

I don't see how anyone (outside of the players) could possibly love where the sport is at right now and the trajectory it's on.

Players should be able to reap some benefits of fans buying their jersey or anything regarding their "likeness". However, I believe it should stop there. The free agency circus is what is ruining this sport.

If Maurice Clarett wants to trade a signed jerseys for a tattoo, who cares?

 

[HikeGlacier]

Many schools will do just that...won't participate because they can't compete.

I am a huge Olympic Sport fan. Those sports are in jeopardy nation-wide with the current trajectory of NIL.

Those of you who love this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why...

NIL has contributed to a more competitive balance in Power5 football. It's hard to argue that it has impacted any other sport. Players should be paid for the billions of dollars they generate for our economy. The old system equated to modern-day slavery. Those of you who are against this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why.

 

[SoldierGriz]

NIL has contributed to a more competitive balance in Power5 football. It's hard to argue that it has impacted any other sport. Players should be paid for the billions of dollars they generate for our economy. The old system equated to modern-day slavery. Those of you who are against this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why.

You should stop with the modern-day-slavery crap. Hyperbole and flat-out wrong.

Players were given a free education worth hundred(s) of thousands of dollars without NIL. No one forced anyone to play college sports.

Take a hike and while you're squatting to pee - GFY.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

You should stop with the modern-day-slavery crap. Hyperbole and flat-out wrong.

Players were given a free education worth hundred(s) of thousands of dollars without NIL. No one forced anyone to play college sports.

Take a hike and while you're squatting to pee - GFY.

Someone’s a bit hyper aggressive.

 

[Griz#64]

Many schools will do just that...won't participate because they can't compete.

I am a huge Olympic Sport fan. Those sports are in jeopardy nation-wide with the current trajectory of NIL.

Those of you who love this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why...

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

NIL has contributed to a more competitive balance in Power5 football. It's hard to argue that it has impacted any other sport. Players should be paid for the billions of dollars they generate for our economy. The old system equated to modern-day slavery. Those of you who are against this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why.

Fully agreed that players should be paid for uses of their Name, Image, and Likeness. It is criminal that they weren't before. They should also be able to do commercials nationally, regionally, or locally. I would be totally happy if they also get a cut of revenue from TV deals and ticket sales. Professional leagues have given us a model for this with setting a cap at the amount of revenue that goes toward the athletes.

I think what most people feel is ruining college sports is the completely unregulated transfers. I've been thinking about this a lot when I have free time, and I am sympathetic to college students being able to move schools and situations based on what is best for them whether they are an athlete or not. I think it probably IS an anti-trust issue to try to regulate the supply side.

The demand side, though, in the teams that are snatching up players could probably be regulated. International soccer has done quite well with transfer fees. I think if someone were to set something up around that, we would see less movement while still giving athletes opportunities. The current situation where kids enter the transfer portal, can't find a school, and are out of luck is not good for anyone.

 

[Griz#64]

Well Folks: In the 50's I receiver Board, Room, Books, Tuition fees and $30,00 a month to clean the hand ball Room,,Where Jiggs Dahlberg at age 75 would beat me regularly. (NIL) ??? Go Griz #64

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I don't see how anyone (outside of the players) could possibly love where the sport is at right now and the trajectory it's on.

Players should be able to reap some benefits of fans buying their jersey or anything regarding their "likeness". However, I believe it should stop there. The free agency circus is what is ruining this sport.

If Maurice Clarett wants to trade a signed jerseys for a tattoo, who cares?

Kind of a major group of stakeholders in bold.

 

[UncleRico]

You should stop with the modern-day-slavery crap. Hyperbole and flat-out wrong.

Players were given a free education worth hundred(s) of thousands of dollars without NIL. No one forced anyone to play college sports.

Take a hike and while you're squatting to pee - GFY.

I wouldn’t go to the slavery extent. But as soon as it became a huge money maker for universities they should have been proactive with a plan. Using names and images in video games and not compensating those players was 100% wrong. Some of those P5 schools revenue is more than many pro sports teams and coaches have huge contracts. It was all amateur for the athletes but business for the universities. I honestly have no issues with the players looking for more money. It’s a short window for them. But I think they should be able to negotiate contracts and be held to those. If any President came in and tried to end it with an executive order it would be a disaster. The best thing would be players have a Union and negotiate a collective bargaining contract with payment caps . Otherwise I think it is not sustainable for sure .

 

[SoldierGriz]

Someone’s a bit hyper aggressive.

Really? Read the room killer. You've gone soft down south.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I wouldn’t go to the slavery extent. But as soon as it became a huge money maker for universities they should have been proactive with a plan. Using names and images in video games and not compensating those players was 100% wrong. Some of those P5 schools revenue is more than many pro sports teams and coaches have huge contracts. It was all amateur for the athletes but business for the universities. I honestly have no issues with the players looking for more money. It’s a short window for them. But I think they should be able to negotiate contracts and be held to those. If any President came in and tried to end it with an executive order it would be a disaster. The best thing would be players have a Union and negotiate a collective bargaining contract with payment caps . Otherwise I think it is not sustainable for sure .

Good post - thanks for the sanity on the topic.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Fully agreed that players should be paid for uses of their Name, Image, and Likeness. It is criminal that they weren't before. They should also be able to do commercials nationally, regionally, or locally. I would be totally happy if they also get a cut of revenue from TV deals and ticket sales. Professional leagues have given us a model for this with setting a cap at the amount of revenue that goes toward the athletes.

I think what most people feel is ruining college sports is the completely unregulated transfers. I've been thinking about this a lot when I have free time, and I am sympathetic to college students being able to move schools and situations based on what is best for them whether they are an athlete or not. I think it probably IS an anti-trust issue to try to regulate the supply side.

The demand side, though, in the teams that are snatching up players could probably be regulated. International soccer has done quite well with transfer fees. I think if someone were to set something up around that, we would see less movement while still giving athletes opportunities. The current situation where kids enter the transfer portal, can't find a school, and are out of luck is not good for anyone.

The whole thing is unregulated...all of it. The Tennessee QB is just the start.

I wholeheartedly agree players require more...far too much money involved and they are the main actors.

But, right now it is simply insane. Would.love to hear from someone with a rational and alternative view.

 

[mthoopsfan]

NIL has contributed to a more competitive balance in Power5 football. It's hard to argue that it has impacted any other sport. Players should be paid for the billions of dollars they generate for our economy. The old system equated to modern-day slavery. Those of you who are against this current state of college sports with NIL - tell us why.

No, Power 5 is not balanced. For the most part, and with a few exceptions, the teams with the most money and NIL have consolidated at the top. The rest are falling back.

And college football is a lot more than Power 5. The rest of D1 is being left behind.

Money/NIL now has a huge impact on college basketball. Big money generally brings in the top players.

Do the players generate anything for the economy? Feel free to explain that to us. Note the word economy.

Note that most players are not going to make much money from NIL. The bulk of the NIL money goes to the top and known players. What about the rest of the team? The star QB isn't the only player on the team.

As posted above, this is why it's bad for college sports: "Because unlimited NIL, unlimited transfers, big money from big donors, bigger money from sports in college, etc. will ultimately hurt or even ruin college sports, result in more corruption and foster more cheating. In my view, this is not consistent with public or private universities. It’s becoming more and more outside the mission of college education."

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Really? Read the room killer. You've gone soft down south.

I’ve read the room and you’re the only one telling people to go fuck themselves after asking for their opinion.

 

[oldngrizzly]

I know you have all been waiting with baited breath to weigh in on this issue.I am glad to see Egriz is back on track and we continue to see quality posts from alabamagrizzly. That being said something needs to be done to provide better regulation of NIL. As far as public or private universities their continued mission is to make a profit.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

The whole thing is unregulated...all of it. The Tennessee QB is just the start.

I wholeheartedly agree players require more...far too much money involved and they are the main actors.

But, right now it is simply insane. Would.love to hear from someone with a rational and alternative view.

I think Elrod’s answer was very rational. Definitely stated way more elegantly than I could say. Mine’d be like “Those damn kids deserve some extra money! Pay em and let me enjoy watching the game they play.” Of course though it’s different from your opinion so I can see why you find it irrational.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I know you have all been waiting with baited breath to weigh in on this issue.I am glad to see Egriz is back on track and we continue to see quality posts from alabamagrizzly. That being said something needs to be done to provide better regulation of NIL. As far as public or private universities their continued mission is to make a profit.

The quality here has gone to shit.

 

[mthoopsfan]

"Lawyer rips Nick Saban, NIL executive order rumors in midst of landmark NCAA settlement

Steve Berman released scathing statement on Monday"​

"Attorneys at the Hagens Berman law firm released a statement on Monday calling Saban’s reported involvement in the potential executive order "unmerited and unhelpful." Steve Berman, the firm’s managing partner and co-founder, called Saban and Trump’s talks "unneeded."

"While he was a coach, Saban initially opposed NIL payments to athletes, pushing to add restrictions and red-tape through national legislation to add ‘some sort of control,’" Berman said in a statement. "During his time scrutinizing the athlete pay structure, he made tens of millions of dollars and was previously the highest-paid coach in college football.

"Coach Saban and Trump’s eleventh-hour talks of executive orders and other meddling are just more unneeded self-involvement. College athletes are spearheading historic changes and benefitting massively from NIL deals. They don’t need this unmerited interference from a coach only seeking to protect the system that made him tens of millions."

Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., said "if anyone" can help regulate NIL, "it's President Trump."

"And I think that should still exist for all players, but not just a pay-for-play system like we have now where whoever raises the most money in their collective can pay the most for the players, which is not a level playing field. I think in any competitive venue, you want to have some guidelines that gives everyone an equal opportunity to have a chance to be successful," he said.

Saban said the NCAA "can handle" NIL and whatever changes are necessary, but Congress "needs to" add "national legislation."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/lawy...e-order-rumors-midst-landmark-ncaa-settlement

 

[SoldierGriz]

Kind of a major group of stakeholders in bold.

I’ve read the room and you’re the only one telling people to go fuck themselves after asking for their opinion.

Just a single poster who needs to do so...

Had nothing to do with you.