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Mick Belker said:
They need to stay in their own country and FIGHT for their lives, not live off this, or any country, like a leech. Why don't YOU open up your home and finances to these 'refugees?'
'But, but, but....'. Stop right there!
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Actually I have neighbors across the street that are refugees. They work their asses off. They are not leeches. Good people. Their kids are polite and respectful. I would take them any day as my neighbor over your type.
 
So, you are saying 'across the street' is close enough. That YOU haven't made any sacrifice, right? No refugees living in YOUR basement, and YOU aren't funding a bunch of them. Typical lib.
You previously mentioned holocaust survivors. Why didn't they just return to where they came from? They weren't wanted back.
Britain stepped up, but did the put them up in N. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or God forbid, England? Hell no! This colonial power offered Palestine. How'd that work out? Destabilized the whole region. 75-80 years of constant war, OK'd by the U.N.
Oh, If I found out you were MY neighbor, I'd move.
Back to basketball, all this will be reversed shortly, so take a breath.
 
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Mick Belker said:
So, you are saying 'across the street' is close enough. That YOU haven't made any sacrifice, right? No refugees living in YOUR basement, and YOU aren't funding a bunch of them. Typical lib.
You previously mentioned holocaust survivors. Why didn't they just return to where they came from? They weren't wanted back
Britain stepped up, but did the put them up in N. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, or God forbid, England? He'll no! This colonial power offered Palestine. How'd that work out? Destabilized the whole region. 75-80 years of constant war, OK'd by the U.N.
Oh, I f I found out you were MY neighbor, I'd move.
Back to basketball, all this will be reversed shortly, so take a breath.
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What? Where did your ancestors come from? The US brought in millions of Holocaust survivors. They made our nation better. Our nation has always brought in refugees. Look up the story of Wilmot Collins former mayor of Helena. Refugees go through intensive background checks. Often have to wait years. They come here. They work hard. They make our nation better. Not leeches !
 
20 million under Biden. Vetted? Hell no. Just the garbage and sewage of the world. My ancestors came in legally somewhere around 1900. No welfare, no food stamps, no cel phone, no five star hotel. They mined coal, one sired eight kids in his free time.
 
Mick Belker said:
They need to stay in their own country and FIGHT for their lives, not live off this, or any country, like a leech. Why don't YOU open up your home and finances to these 'refugees?'
'But, but, but....'. Stop right there!
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My guy, you once messaged me about how you had always had a big heart for struggling and broken animals and people. How do you square that with not wanting to help actual refugees? We can take people who crossed the border illegally out of it, but how could anyone not have a heart for people who flee their country with next to nothing?
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
My guy, you once messaged me about how you had always had a big heart for struggling and broken animals and people. How do you square that with not wanting to help actual refugees? We can take people who crossed the border illegally out of it, but how could anyone not have a heart for people who flee their country with next to nothing?
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I take it YOU have refugees living in YOUR house, eating YOUR food, and spending YOUR money. Or, maybe YOU don't. Its easy to spend other peoples money, taxpayers money, right?
 
Mick Belker said:
I take it YOU have refugees living in YOUR house, eating YOUR food, and spending YOUR money. Or, maybe YOU don't. Its easy to spend other peoples money, taxpayers money, right?
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I normally wouldn't bring this up pat myself on the back, but since you asked... Yes, actually I was helping out an Afghanistan refugee locally. Had him over for meals, helped him get a couple of job interviews. He didn't need me to provide him a house. Really nice guy, he had worked with the US Marines in Afghanistan and fled when the Taliban came back to power because they would have tortured and killed him for siding with the USA. I'd rather we bring that guy over here than let him suffer punishment for taking America's side.

There is actually a surprisingly sizeable community in Missoula of people in that situation who fled the Taliban a few years back. If you take an uber or lyft with any regularity you will get a driver from Afghanistan soon enough.

Also, the taxpayer's money isn't other people's money. I've been a tax payer for 24 years now. So I'm not talking about spending other people's money. I'm almost 40 and have established myself now, so I'm paying a pretty good chunk to Uncle Sam every year. I'm talking about my own tax paying money, too, and in a democracy its okay to have an opinion on how it should be spent.
 
You talk the talk and walk the walk. Good for you. You are unlike those that just talk the talk, liberal bullshitters. Missoula sure attracts more than its share of basketcases. Hippies in the 60s and 70s and the Hmong in the 70s. Now, Afghans.
"...in a democracy its okay to have an opinion on how it should be spent." Agree wholeheartedly. Many on this site agree only if it agrees with their opinions.
 
Mick Belker said:
You talk the talk and walk the walk. Good for you. You are unlike those that just talk the talk, liberal bullshitters. Missoula sure attracts more than its share of basketcases. Hippies in the 60s and 70s and the Hmong in the 70s. Now, Afghans.
"...in a democracy its okay to have an opinion on how it should be spent." Agree wholeheartedly. Many on this site agree only if it agrees with their opinions.
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My family came over as Irish refugees on one side, and Czechoslovakian on the other. My great grandmother fled the Bolsheviks and made her way all the way across the United States to Lone Pine, Montana. When I get to know people today who walked across deserts and forded dangerous rivers to get here for the promise that their children can have a better future, I think those people are a value add to our country. They are here because they want to be, and they want to work for their dreams and their families.

For me, kindness, love, and generosity to people coming to America is just an American value.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
Mick Belker said:
You talk the talk and walk the walk. Good for you. You are unlike those that just talk the talk, liberal bullshitters. Missoula sure attracts more than its share of basketcases. Hippies in the 60s and 70s and the Hmong in the 70s. Now, Afghans.
"...in a democracy its okay to have an opinion on how it should be spent." Agree wholeheartedly. Many on this site agree only if it agrees with their opinions.
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So all Hmongs and Afghans are basket cases? Man you’re a real piece of work. And by work I might mean something else.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I normally wouldn't bring this up pat myself on the back, but since you asked... Yes, actually I was helping out an Afghanistan refugee locally. Had him over for meals, helped him get a couple of job interviews. He didn't need me to provide him a house. Really nice guy, he had worked with the US Marines in Afghanistan and fled when the Taliban came back to power because they would have tortured and killed him for siding with the USA. I'd rather we bring that guy over here than let him suffer punishment for taking America's side.

There is actually a surprisingly sizeable community in Missoula of people in that situation who fled the Taliban a few years back. If you take an uber or lyft with any regularity you will get a driver from Afghanistan soon enough.

Also, the taxpayer's money isn't other people's money. I've been a tax payer for 24 years now. So I'm not talking about spending other people's money. I'm almost 40 and have established myself now, so I'm paying a pretty good chunk to Uncle Sam every year. I'm talking about my own tax paying money, too, and in a democracy its okay to have an opinion on how it should be spent.
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i am pretty sure missoula's hmong community began with people from cambodia/vietnam fleeing war and persecution. they've been in and around missoula since, contributing in a variety of ways to society. now, if i could only find their huckleberry patch :)
 
argh! said:
i am pretty sure missoula's hmong community began with people from cambodia/vietnam fleeing war and persecution. they've been in and around missoula since, contributing in a variety of ways to society. now, if i could only find their huckleberry patch :)
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They seem to have some serious spots, judging by the farmer's market! If you find them, tell no one. ;)
 
argh! said:
i am pretty sure missoula's hmong community began with people from cambodia/vietnam fleeing war and persecution. they've been in and around missoula since, contributing in a variety of ways to society. now, if i could only find their huckleberry patch :)
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The Hmong came to Missoula because of a Missoula guy, who had been a US military and then CIA guy in Laos during the war, and in the "secret" war in Laos. He was a top guy working with the top Laos general supporting at the US military. He had been a smokejumper in MT, and knew how to pack and drop things and supplies. The people of Laos loved him. He was friendly and loyal to them. After the US departed Vietnam, he tried to help get the Hmong to Thailand, as they were being persecuted in Laos. That ended up not working out, so he facilitated many of them coming to Missoula. The top general came to live in Missoula for several years, and then went elsewhere in the US. After this Missoula guy, who was living in Bangkok, died mysteriously, say 20 years later, he was shipped back to Missoula in a sealed coffin. The Hmong put on a several day burial service for him in Missoula and all the Hmong in the area, and I think some outside of Montana, came to the memorial. A woman wrote on book on this guy. Can't recall his name.

I had vaguely known some of this story from reading some articles over the years, and knowing of the Hmong and their great vegetables in Missoula. In January, when I was traveling SE Asia, I went with a younger rugby friend who had grown up in Hong Kong, is in the hotel management business, and was the manager of four 5-star Banyon Tree hotels on Phuket island in Thailand, on a Long Boat to a very small island off of Phuket. The little island has a few places that can be rented, and food can be ordered ahead of time to be served at their outside tables. The woman who runs the island and whose family owns the island, and was friends with my friend, greeted as as we got off the boat and walked to shore. She noticed my Griz 2023 linebacker tee shirt, and said she had been to Montana. I said where and why. She said Missoula was the first place she had visited in the US, when she went with her father to visit his family (Hmong) who lived in Missoula. After living in the US for several years, she had come back to Thailand to fun the family island after someone died.

As we all discuss from time to time, you never know what your Griz shirt is going to get you into. And some posters say that no one outside of Montana or FCS knows the Griz or Missoula. Ha.

Argh, in June, I will be doing my 7th international trip in 30 months. The June trip starts in Istanbul and the Turkish riviera with my son and his girlfriend before I join my wife for her family vacation in Ireland and then to London and Wimbledon in early July with my wife. (We went to the Australian Open in January.) My wife is starting the trip in Greece for 2 weeks with her Great Falls friend whose son Ty Timmer played linebacker for the Griz. Kelly T. still has family in Greece.

I always thought I would run out of health before I ran out of money, but now it's looking like it's going to be the opposite. In any event, if I'm going down (and, of course, I will), I'm going down swinging. At this age, there are only 3 modes. Go-go, slow-go and no-go. I'm still in go-go, but staring at slow-go. The other saying of friends my age is, if you don't go First Class, your kids will after you're gone.
 
mthoopsfan said:
The Hmong came to Missoula because of a Missoula guy, who had been a US military and then CIA guy in Laos during the war, and in the "secret" war in Laos. He was a top guy working with the top Laos general supporting at the US military. He had been a smokejumper in MT, and knew how to pack and drop things and supplies. The people of Laos loved him. He was friendly and loyal to them. After the US departed Vietnam, he tried to help get the Hmong to Thailand, as they were being persecuted in Laos. That ended up not working out, so he facilitated many of them coming to Missoula. The top general came to live in Missoula for several years, and then went elsewhere in the US. After this Missoula guy, who was living in Bangkok, died mysteriously, say 20 years later, he was shipped back to Missoula in a sealed coffin. The Hmong put on a several day burial service for him in Missoula and all the Hmong in the area, and I think some outside of Montana, came to the memorial. A woman wrote on book on this guy. Can't recall his name.

I had vaguely known some of this story from reading some articles over the years, and knowing of the Hmong and their great vegetables in Missoula. In January, when I was traveling SE Asia, I went with a younger rugby friend who had grown up in Hong Kong, is in the hotel management business, and was the manager of four 5-star Banyon Tree hotels on Phuket island in Thailand, on a Long Boat to a very small island off of Phuket. The little island has a few places that can be rented, and food can be ordered ahead of time to be served at their outside tables. The woman who runs the island and whose family owns the island, and was friends with my friend, greeted as as we got off the boat and walked to shore. She noticed my Griz 2023 linebacker tee shirt, and said she had been to Montana. I said where and why. She said Missoula was the first place she had visited in the US, when she went with her father to visit his family (Hmong) who lived in Missoula. After living in the US for several years, she had come back to Thailand to fun the family island after someone died.

As we all discuss from time to time, you never know what your Griz shirt is going to get you into. And some posters say that no one outside of Montana or FCS knows the Griz or Missoula. Ha.

Argh, in June, I will be doing my 7th international trip in 30 months. The June trip starts in Istanbul and the Turkish riviera with my son and his girlfriend before I join my wife for her family vacation in Ireland and then to London and Wimbledon in early July with my wife. (We went to the Australian Open in January.) My wife is starting the trip in Greece for 2 weeks with her Great Falls friend whose son Ty Timmer played linebacker for the Griz. Kelly T. still has family in Greece.

I always thought I would run out of health before I ran out of money, but now it's looking like it's going to be the opposite. In any event, if I'm going down (and, of course, I will), I'm going down swinging. At this age, there are only 3 modes. Go-go, slow-go and no-go. I'm still in go-go, but staring at slow-go. The other saying of friends my age is, if you don't go First Class, your kids will after you're gone.
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thanks for the detail on the hmong in missoula. i've heard istanbul is a great place to visit, never been there for some reason. i typically skip traveling much in summer, though, too many others doing the same, but will start again in the fall, unless of course trump totally fucks up the economy and i gotta start working as a greeter at walmart :)
 
mthoopsfan said:
The Hmong came to Missoula because of a Missoula guy, who had been a US military and then CIA guy in Laos during the war, and in the "secret" war in Laos. He was a top guy working with the top Laos general supporting at the US military. He had been a smokejumper in MT, and knew how to pack and drop things and supplies. The people of Laos loved him. He was friendly and loyal to them. After the US departed Vietnam, he tried to help get the Hmong to Thailand, as they were being persecuted in Laos. That ended up not working out, so he facilitated many of them coming to Missoula. The top general came to live in Missoula for several years, and then went elsewhere in the US. After this Missoula guy, who was living in Bangkok, died mysteriously, say 20 years later, he was shipped back to Missoula in a sealed coffin. The Hmong put on a several day burial service for him in Missoula and all the Hmong in the area, and I think some outside of Montana, came to the memorial. A woman wrote on book on this guy. Can't recall his name.

I had vaguely known some of this story from reading some articles over the years, and knowing of the Hmong and their great vegetables in Missoula. In January, when I was traveling SE Asia, I went with a younger rugby friend who had grown up in Hong Kong, is in the hotel management business, and was the manager of four 5-star Banyon Tree hotels on Phuket island in Thailand, on a Long Boat to a very small island off of Phuket. The little island has a few places that can be rented, and food can be ordered ahead of time to be served at their outside tables. The woman who runs the island and whose family owns the island, and was friends with my friend, greeted as as we got off the boat and walked to shore. She noticed my Griz 2023 linebacker tee shirt, and said she had been to Montana. I said where and why. She said Missoula was the first place she had visited in the US, when she went with her father to visit his family (Hmong) who lived in Missoula. After living in the US for several years, she had come back to Thailand to fun the family island after someone died.

As we all discuss from time to time, you never know what your Griz shirt is going to get you into. And some posters say that no one outside of Montana or FCS knows the Griz or Missoula. Ha.

Argh, in June, I will be doing my 7th international trip in 30 months. The June trip starts in Istanbul and the Turkish riviera with my son and his girlfriend before I join my wife for her family vacation in Ireland and then to London and Wimbledon in early July with my wife. (We went to the Australian Open in January.) My wife is starting the trip in Greece for 2 weeks with her Great Falls friend whose son Ty Timmer played linebacker for the Griz. Kelly T. still has family in Greece.

I always thought I would run out of health before I ran out of money, but now it's looking like it's going to be the opposite. In any event, if I'm going down (and, of course, I will), I'm going down swinging. At this age, there are only 3 modes. Go-go, slow-go and no-go. I'm still in go-go, but staring at slow-go. The other saying of friends my age is, if you don't go First Class, your kids will after you're gone.
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You are referring to Jerry "Hog" Daniels. He was a friend of my dad's, a CIA legend, and hero to the Hmong people.

He died under very suspicious circumstances in Bangkok and his body (if it was actually his) was sent back to Missoula under CIA guard in a sealed casket with instructions that it was not to be opened.
 
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