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LadyGriz Nate Harris new head coach of the Lady Griz!

Yep. Exactly what I said earlier as well..
I heard you Mom and offered ideas to solution for the situation. I haven't seen any follow up/ideas offered. Seems people want to have a crop of oranges before they make sure the climate and soil are right for orange trees to grow the oranges.
 
Almost all of our Black student-athletes on our football and men's basketball teams are from outside of Montana--Jr. Bergen from Billings was the exception.

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Wouldn't your assertion also relate to the recruiting of Native Americans to play basketball for the Lady Griz? Yet, the LG have had numerous excellent Native American women play for us, including the late Malia Kipp, without having a single Native American coach on staff. A Black, Native American, PanAsian assistant coach, that is a good recruiter, would really help the effort.
We have successfully recruited Native players, like Malia Kipp, and we should continue to do so. Robin Selvig successfully Native girls. The primary difference is these Native girls were also from Montana, the Black girls we recruit probably won't be--they will be new to Montana.

When the late-great Don Haskins, a White Coach in his 30's, started showing up in East Coast big-city kitchens of inner-city Black star high-school players fifty years ago, there were almost 0 Black students @ Texas Western Today, the number of Black students on campus @ UTEP is about 500 students out of the 23,000 + kids on campus, over 2 % on a campus of @ 23, 500 students, about 85% of whom are Hispanic, which makes sense since El Paso is in West Texas, on the US-Mexico border and has a huge Hispanic-American population. Il

If we want to grow our African-American population of a little over 1% on UM's campus , a little over 100 souls, which I am all in favor , a great tool for doing so--not a panacea--is to recruit more Black student-athletes, just like UTEP did starting with the determined and persistent and very White Coach Haskins did starting over 50 years ago. And among UM's excellent academic programs which appeal to a lot of students, we also have the third-oldest African-American studies program in the country.,

We should recruit both more Black students and Native students, not " either, or" and a Black and/or Native coach will help this effort !!! And while our coaches should be brutally honest with these star basketball Black and Native kids and any support programs or groups for minority students strengthened, the fact that we don't have a large Black or Native student population doesn't deter Justin Green and Bobby Hauck in football and Travis DeCuire in basketball from recruiting Black and Native student athletes nor should it deter Nate Harris and Lindsay Woolley !!!
 
Almost all of our Black student-athletes on our football and men's basketball teams are from outside of Montana--Jr. Bergen from Billings was the exception.

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We have successfully recruited Native players, like Malia Kipp, and we should continue to do so. Robin Selvig successfully Native girls. The primary difference is these Native girls were also from Montana, the Black girls we recruit probably won't be--they will be new to Montana.

When the late-great Don Haskins, a White Coach in his 30's, started showing up in East Coast big-city kitchens of inner-city Black star high-school players fifty years ago, there were almost 0 Black students @ Texas Western Today, the number of Black students on campus @ UTEP is about 500 students out of the 23,000 + kids on campus, over 2 % on a campus of @ 23, 500 students, about 85% of whom are Hispanic, which makes sense since El Paso is in West Texas, on the US-Mexico border and has a huge Hispanic-American population. Il

If we want to grow our African-American population of a little over 1% on UM's campus , a little over 100 souls, which I am all in favor , a great tool for doing so--not a panacea--is to recruit more Black student-athletes, just like UTEP did starting with the determined and persistent and very White Coach Haskins did starting over 50 years ago. And among UM's excellent academic programs which appeal to a lot of students, we also have the third-oldest African-American studies program in the country.,

We should recruit both more Black students and Native students, not " either, or" and a Black and/or Native coach will help this effort !!! And while our coaches should be brutally honest with these star basketball Black and Native kids and any support programs or groups for minority students strengthened, the fact that we don't have a large Black or Native student population doesn't deter Justin Green and Bobby Hauck in football and Travis DeCuire in basketball from recruiting Black and Native student athletes nor should it deter Nate Harris and Lindsay Woolley !!!
And to properly credit the late, great Coach Don Haskins, he started showing up in the kitchens of Black families in Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, etc.in 1963 and '64, over 60 years ago during the height of The Civil Rights era and The Jim Crow South, and he and his players, both Black and White, had a lot of both moral and physical courage enduring racial epithets, death threats, and not being able to stay at most hotels and eat in most restaurants in The Jim Crow South !!!

President Johnson, with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other Civil Rights leaders looking on, signed The Civil Rights Act of 1964 at The White House to start ending Jim Crow, followed by The Voting Rights Act of 1965. Also in attendance was US Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield, D-Mont., UM GRIZ alum and faculty, who shepherded both bills through The US Senate.
 
All we are saying is that IF the LG wish to diversify their recruiting and to recruit black players they should have a black coach on staff. That's not a complex issue.

You used the word TOKEN not us and I would argue that getting a D1 HC or Assistant position means you are more than a TOKEN you add value.

IF the LG wish to diversify the roster then the staff should reflect that said diversity.

The whole issue isn't complex, you don't have to like it, that's the way it is.

IF the LG wish to change and recruit players from areas mentioned above you better have a black assistant.

Almost certain DeCuire would deliver this same message to Harris IF Harris wanted to get input.

We don't think the LG will move that direction anyways because the HC most likley won't divert from his traditional recruiting base, area or region.
You keep saying "we". Who is we?

Also as I read along, the general tenure of your posts in threads over the last few months seems to indicate you don't like Harris. You seem to suggest others would be better. You seem to actively root for others to have the job. It doesn't seem like you're particularly partisan about following the big sky and seem more of a griz fan than a big sky fan. I'm starting to surmise you're a griz alum? Maybe played for Selvig?

I want to make clear I take no issue with anything you post. You're entitled to your opinions. I'm just kind of curious if I'm kind of on the right track. I've been curious as I perused your website and you seem to put more into posting on egriz. I don't see you on BN ever and so I've just kind of wondered.
 
And to properly credit the late, great Coach Don Haskins, he started showing up in the kitchens of Black families in Philadelphia, New York, Baltimore, etc.in 1963 and '64, over 60 years ago during the height of The Civil Rights era and The Jim Crow South, and he and his players, both Black and White, had a lot of both moral and physical courage enduring racial epithets, death threats, and not being able to stay at most hotels and eat in most restaurants in The Jim Crow South !!!

President Johnson, with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other Civil Rights leaders looking on, signed The Civil Rights Act of 1964 at The White House to start ending Jim Crow, followed by The Voting Rights Act of 1965. Also in attendance was US Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield, D-Mont., UM GRIZ alum and faculty, who shepherded both bills through The US Senate.
I want to be clear I'm not disagreeing with you that we could use more diversity in MT. But I think it's important to look at the high school sports of all that you're talking about. Football and men's basketball are both played in widespread and diverse areas of both race and socioeconomic status. Guys are playing basketball in the parks of inner cities and in the country clubs of Florida. Football is the same and though both are sports that are helped by camps and such, they aren't dependent on them. Women's sports are different. I would submit there are less African American women's basketball players than FB and MBB. And it's qlot about money. As unfortunate as it is, in order to be successful in WBB for the most part you need to spend all your off time in AAU travel clubs and camps. All of that takes money. For the membership. For the travel. For the hotels for your family to follow you around. Show me anyone on either Cat or griz WBB team that did not play AAU. Even Kobe's daughter played AAU. And I know alot of men did play AAU as youth but you can be an inner city boys basketball player on football player and find your way to college without it. And spend so much time playing that you overcome the lack of being on a travel team. I just don't know that's the case in girls basketball. So as much as diversity would be nice I just don't know that there as many Black women's athletes to choose from. Off the top of my head I can think of one in the Big Sky that is a potential first teamer and that's Jordan from Idaho State. She makes some pretty fade aways. I'm probably missing some. And again I'm not trying to make a case for not have more diversity I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to me we have as many Black female athletes that have made the choice to play college basketball.
 
You keep saying "we". Who is we?

Also as I read along, the general tenure of your posts in threads over the last few months seems to indicate you don't like Harris. You seem to suggest others would be better. You seem to actively root for others to have the job. It doesn't seem like you're particularly partisan about following the big sky and seem more of a griz fan than a big sky fan. I'm starting to surmise you're a griz alum? Maybe played for Selvig?

I want to make clear I take no issue with anything you post. You're entitled to your opinions. I'm just kind of curious if I'm kind of on the right track. I've been curious as I perused your website and you seem to put more into posting on egriz. I don't see you on BN ever and so I've just kind of wondered.


We, Me, I is not important. Have nothing against Harris. Was only adding that if LG wanted to change recruiting the way the thread turned that Harris would need to hire a black assistant.

We did mention names of potential candidates. We also gave credit to Harris and staff for doing a solid job in the tourney.

Carry on.
 
I want to be clear I'm not disagreeing with you that we could use more diversity in MT. But I think it's important to look at the high school sports of all that you're talking about. Football and men's basketball are both played in widespread and diverse areas of both race and socioeconomic status. Guys are playing basketball in the parks of inner cities and in the country clubs of Florida. Football is the same and though both are sports that are helped by camps and such, they aren't dependent on them. Women's sports are different. I would submit there are less African American women's basketball players than FB and MBB. And it's qlot about money. As unfortunate as it is, in order to be successful in WBB for the most part you need to spend all your off time in AAU travel clubs and camps. All of that takes money. For the membership. For the travel. For the hotels for your family to follow you around. Show me anyone on either Cat or griz WBB team that did not play AAU. Even Kobe's daughter played AAU. And I know alot of men did play AAU as youth but you can be an inner city boys basketball player on football player and find your way to college without it. And spend so much time playing that you overcome the lack of being on a travel team. I just don't know that's the case in girls basketball. So as much as diversity would be nice I just don't know that there as many Black women's athletes to choose from. Off the top of my head I can think of one in the Big Sky that is a potential first teamer and that's Jordan from Idaho State. She makes some pretty fade aways. I'm probably missing some. And again I'm not trying to make a case for not have more diversity I'm just saying that it doesn't seem to me we have as many Black female athletes that have made the choice to play college basketball.
There are many affluent black as well as Hispanic ( Josh Vasquez) and Asian families in the Pacific NW ( Seattle-Tacoma, Portland-Vancouver) and California ( SanFrancisco-Oakland, San Jose , LA ) that can afford to send their girls to compete in AAU, as well as some inner-city families that cannot, but they can play and do play on their high-school teams without requiring a lot of money, right ? And did all of the Native girls from Montana that Robin Selvig recruited play AAU ball ?

You state the MSU and our UM girls have all played AAU Ball, and I totally believe you. And I am sure, based on what you stated about not all Black girls playing AAU ball is also correct and, therefore, a few to several of Ohio State's Black girls, and based on what I saw on the broadcast, The Lady Buckeyes starters were all Black, didn"t play AAU ball either but still thumped the Lady Cats, who according to you, all did and as the announcers noted, MSU couldn't handle Ohio State's athleticism and speed. So I guess what I am saying if a Black girl ( or Hispanic, Asian, Native or White girl ) starred on their girls' high-school basketball team but didn't play AAU ball, we should still recruit them !!! ( I am pretty sure not all of the Black girls on South Carolina and LSU that decisively defeated Caitlin Clark and her Lady Hawkeyes in the NCAA National Championship in 2023 and '24 probably didn't play AAU ball either.)

And since we recruit star Black football and men's basketball players, mainly from the NW and Calif. to UM, what is preventing us from doing the same with star Black girls' basketball players other than we simply don't recruit them ? ( And that's where a Black assistant coach-- Justin Green, football, Reuben Williams, basketball--that is a good recruiter would really benefit The LG !!! )
 
High respect to this serious discussion re: recruiting students of diverse cultural and ethnic backgrounds/communities. I don't have answers, but respect the advocacy of billingsgriz' toward UM becoming more aggressive in recruiting student athletes of broad cultural communities & roots. I also believe that Da Boyz Mom is stating, with clear understanding that UM/Missoula is not an easy place for minorities to spend their college years in. I don't fully comprehend it, though. For instance, why has Peyton Sobolewski at ISU (Pocatello of all places...) had such success in recruiting minorities of diverse cultural and religious backgrounds. ISU had fewer this season, but only a few years back, had almost a third of the team roster as minorities. I am NOT taking sides here, but have to believe that UM should be able to recruit larger numbers of minorities in ALL areas of study.
 
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The continuing assertion that it should be relatively easy to recruit young black female basketball players, just tells me y'all don't understand anything about young women. The end.
Maybe you have a point--millions of young Black women attend college--a few at UM, hundreds play college basketball across the country, several talented Black girls have played already @ The University of Montana, we've played women's college basketball for about 50 years, and recruited hundreds of young women, but I guess we no longer understand young women and should no longer recruit them--we now have a bad case of dumb and while over a hundred other colleges and universities across the country successfully recruit young, Black women basketball players, we just simply can't @ The University of Montana because we don't understand anything about young women. Hundreds of other schools across the country recruit star young Black women basketball players, but we can't and shouldn't even try--it's simply impossible @ UM !!!
 
Maybe you have a point--millions of young Black women attend college--a few at UM, hundreds play college basketball across the country, several talented Black girls have played already @ The University of Montana, we've played women's college basketball for about 50 years, and recruited hundreds of young women, but I guess we no longer understand young women and should no longer recruit them--we now have a bad case of dumb and while over a hundred other colleges and universities across the country successfully recruit young, Black women basketball players, we just simply can't @ The University of Montana because we don't understand anything about young women. Hundreds of other schools across the country recruit star young Black women basketball players, but we can't and shouldn't even try--it's simply impossible @ UM !!!
You keep missing the point. I never said it was impossible, neither did anyone else who has been discussing this with you. We've all just been saying that it's not as simple as you keep trying to make it out to be.
 
You keep missing the point. I never said it was impossible, neither did anyone else who has been discussing this with you. We've all just been saying that it's not as simple as you keep trying to make it out to be.
Bullshit. No one here advocating for recruiting more minority women ever claimed it would be simple, rather that it is a worthwhile endeavor if we truly want to raise the talent level of the program.

This defeatist attitude toward recruiting black women is beyond stupefying. Imagine if our football & men’s basketball programs declined to recruit minorities due to Montana’s homogeneous demographics- they’d be totally irrelevant and non competitive.
 
Bullshit. No one here advocating for recruiting more minority women ever claimed it would be simple, rather that it is a worthwhile endeavor if we truly want to raise the talent level of the program.

This defeatist attitude toward recruiting black women is beyond stupefying. Imagine if our football & men’s basketball programs declined to recruit minorities due to Montana’s homogeneous demographics- they’d be totally irrelevant and non competitive.
All it takes is a black coach. But in all seriousness, do people think they have purposely neglected to consider black players? It is also apparent that people think recruiting a black male athlete is the same as recruiting a black female athlete.
 
You keep missing the point. I never said it was impossible, neither did anyone else who has been discussing this with you. We've all just been saying that it's not as simple as you keep trying to make it out to be.
We used to be able to recruit a very few star Black and more Native girl's basketball players, but I guess we forgot how ? Where did I say recruiting Black girls' basketball players would be " simple ?" For the record, I don't think recruiting any student-athletes, Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic is simple.

I guess.all of these other US colleges and universities from coast to coast that successfully recruit star high-school and college ( transfer portal ) Black women's basketball players are just smarter and wiser than us, doggone it !!! In the words of Al Franken's SNL alter ego Stuart Smiley, they're " special," and we're not @ The University of Montana.
 
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Bullshit. No one here advocating for recruiting more minority women ever claimed it would be simple, rather that it is a worthwhile endeavor if we truly want to raise the talent level of the program.

This defeatist attitude toward recruiting black women is beyond stupefying. Imagine if our football & men’s basketball programs declined to recruit minorities due to Montana’s homogeneous demographics- they’d be totally irrelevant and non competitive.
And reinforcing what '75 stated:

Big Sky Conference Basketball Championships 🏀, 2018-25.

UM Men: 3

Lady GRIZ: 0
 
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