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Vigen in 3 Years

Because that was not THE reason. It was just one of many reasons.

As ridiculous and as horrible as that situation was, it pales in comparison to the double digit DOE investigations on-going, as well as the (apparently well founded) allegations of blatant racism on msu's campus.
Yes, they are allegations. Hasn't been determined if valid or not.
 
This is bs. Quit with the racism shit on campus. You can find racism at any campus, yes even in Missoula
Sadly, yes. But not from the UM administration. Unlike the bubs, who have multiple DOE investigations on just that issue.
 
If they do win the NC, I’m sure it will be some other excuse.
Then it will be, I was just predicting a Cat loss because I know it pisses off the Cat fans. Just like he did with UNM, Idaho, EWU, UCD, and USD. I can't remember if he picked the Cats to lose against UTM and Idaho the second time, but he probably did.
 
Don't let that troll derail the thread with posts about himself. Focus

Vigen will do in 3 years what Hauck never will. Big Game Bob could make the NC game 10 years straight and he would lose everyone of them.

Next season is already over before it starts.
 
Then it will be, I was just predicting a Cat loss because I know it pisses off the Cat fans. Just like he did with UNM, Idaho, EWU, UCD, and USD. I can't remember if he picked the Cats to lose against UTM and Idaho the second time, but he probably did.
Nope. Didn’t make those predictions. You are a liar.
 
Yeahhhh, let's just say that waded is a harbinger.
Hey, maybe ALL of the complainants, who have no ostensible connection outside of filing complaints, are just lying. Can’t be an institutional level thing. Duh! Same principle as the drunk driving coordinators. There wasn’t yet a determination that they committed their crimes, so MSU had no choice but to renew contracts, give raises, and let them mentor young men while out on bail. But, yeah, the president of the university just chose her own time to “retire”. Makes perfect sense.
 
Hey, maybe ALL of the complainants, who have no ostensible connection outside of filing complaints, are just lying. Can’t be an institutional level thing. Duh! Same principle as the drunk driving coordinators. There wasn’t yet a determination that they committed their crimes, so MSU had no choice but to renew contracts, give raises, and let them mentor young men while out on bail. But, yeah, the president of the university just chose her own time to “retire”. Makes perfect sense.
So the bub way
 
This is bs. Quit with the racism shit on campus.
bub racism is legion and has been well documented in black and white here:
Hughes left MSU in part because he no longer wanted to face white supremacism, he said. He was called the “n” word at MSU, saw Nazi propaganda in trash cans on campus, and heard Bobcats at a football game “screaming racial slurs to members of the other team.”
 
Nope. Didn’t make those predictions. You are a liar.
“While I generally don’t make game predictions, even though I always think my team can win, I do pick against the Cats from time to time, like this time. I look forward to watching the game.” UNM

“Tell us about all the great D’s Mellott has played against. The Cats are going down. Cats can’t beat a good team on Mellott’s passing.”
EWU

“How Badly will Davis beat the Cats?” Instead of having a Griz hangover, Davis is going to be fired up.
UCD

“The Griz will clobber the Cats again this season.”, “Griz o-line will run over the Cats.”, and “Griz are way better than the Cats.”
griz

“If Idaho could stay within 10 points of Oregon, by how much do you think Idaho will beat the Cats this time? Idaho has its QB back, right?”
Idaho

“It's going to be a nice convincing win by the Cats, and they played well, but they can't beat the Dakota teams.”

“Cats won't win national championship game. Can't beat the Dakota schools.”

“The Dakota teams will run over the Cats.”


And here are some honorable mentions, bonus takes I found as I was searching through your bad takes because you called me a liar.

“Crews had zero tackles on Saturday.”

“Cat O Line is small, tiny actually.”

“Your o-linemen are not good at pass blocking, and that's why the Griz wouldn't want your o-line. What 3 starting o-linemen were out? No, I don't think the Cats will have the best rushing attack. If UNM had cleaned up the middle, MSU wouldn't have had 175 yards rushing. You have so many excuses, most of which are silly. You team led for 10 seconds in the game. You got lucky. As I said, UM, SDSU and NSDU would have crushed the Cats yesterday.”

“Poor doesn't understand football. He proves it almost every time he posts on egriz. The season is young, but I don't see anything for Cat fans to be excited about yet. I assume most other teams are not going to give up 225-250 yards up the middle on essentially the same play.”

“Cats’ game way below last year’s SDSU game. You show once again you don’t understand football. Too funny. If Mellott is to be passer and not runner this season, Cats are toast.”

“Three teams that the Griz played would have beaten the Cats this year. It isn't clear in the least that the Cats are a top 3 team.”


And my personal favorite...

“All my posts are quality.”


For as much as you flame away on here saying I don't know anything about football, am wrong all the time, make bad predictions, etc... I promise you there is zero chance you could dig back through my predictions and find this many posts that are 100% wrong. I didn't even do a thorough search but I know I could find a shit ton more posts from you that are wrong. lol
 
“While I generally don’t make game predictions, even though I always think my team can win, I do pick against the Cats from time to time, like this time. I look forward to watching the game.” UNM

“Tell us about all the great D’s Mellott has played against. The Cats are going down. Cats can’t beat a good team on Mellott’s passing.” EWU

“How Badly will Davis beat the Cats?” Instead of having a Griz hangover, Davis is going to be fired up. UCD

“The Griz will clobber the Cats again this season.”, “Griz o-line will run over the Cats.”, and “Griz are way better than the Cats.” griz

“If Idaho could stay within 10 points of Oregon, by how much do you think Idaho will beat the Cats this time? Idaho has its QB back, right?” Idaho

“It's going to be a nice convincing win by the Cats, and they played well, but they can't beat the Dakota teams.”

“Cats won't win national championship game. Can't beat the Dakota schools.”

“The Dakota teams will run over the Cats.”


And here are some honorable mentions, bonus takes I found as I was searching through your bad takes because you called me a liar.

“Crews had zero tackles on Saturday.”

“Cat O Line is small, tiny actually.”

“Your o-linemen are not good at pass blocking, and that's why the Griz wouldn't want your o-line. What 3 starting o-linemen were out? No, I don't think the Cats will have the best rushing attack. If UNM had cleaned up the middle, MSU wouldn't have had 175 yards rushing. You have so many excuses, most of which are silly. You team led for 10 seconds in the game. You got lucky. As I said, UM, SDSU and NSDU would have crushed the Cats yesterday.”

“Poor doesn't understand football. He proves it almost every time he posts on egriz. The season is young, but I don't see anything for Cat fans to be excited about yet. I assume most other teams are not going to give up 225-250 yards up the middle on essentially the same play.”

“Cats’ game way below last year’s SDSU game. You show once again you don’t understand football. Too funny. If Mellott is to be passer and not runner this season, Cats are toast.”

“Three teams that the Griz played would have beaten the Cats this year. It isn't clear in the least that the Cats are a top 3 team.”


And my personal favorite...

“All my posts are quality.”

For as much as you flame away on here saying I don't know anything about football, am wrong all the time, make bad predictions, etc... I promise you there is zero chance you could dig back through my predictions and find this many posts that are 100% wrong. I didn't even do a thorough search but I know I could find a shit ton more posts from you that are wrong. lol
That had to take some time. Wow. I can promise you that he likely has no desire to “dig back through” your predictions in an attempt to prove something on eGriz.com. That said, it’s great that you’ve found this hobby. Seems very healthy.
 
“While I generally don’t make game predictions, even though I always think my team can win, I do pick against the Cats from time to time, like this time. I look forward to watching the game.” UNM [There's no prediction there.]

“Tell us about all the great D’s Mellott has played against. The Cats are going down. [Okay, I will give you that one.] Cats can’t beat a good team on Mellott’s passing.” EWU

“How Badly will Davis beat the Cats?” Instead of having a Griz hangover, Davis is going to be fired up. UCD
[There was no prediction. Only a question. Doesn't count.]
“The Griz will clobber the Cats again this season.”, “Griz o-line will run over the Cats.”, and “Griz are way better than the [Was this in 2023?]

“If Idaho could stay within 10 points of Oregon, by how much do you think Idaho will beat the Cats this time? Idaho has its QB back, right?”
Idaho [Again, no prediction. Just a question.]

“It's going to be a nice convincing win by the Cats, and they played well, but they can't beat the Dakota teams.” [And we'll see if this one turns out to be true, in Frisco. See Dakota teams, plural. It doesn't say "any" of the Dakota teams.]

“Cats won't win national championship game. Can't beat the Dakota schools.” [See above.}

“The Dakota teams will run over the Cats.”


And here are some honorable mentions, bonus takes I found as I was searching through your bad takes because you called me a liar.

“Crews had zero tackles on Saturday.” [See below. He's not in the stats.]

“Cat O Line is small, tiny actually.” [See below comment.]

“Your o-linemen are not good at pass blocking, and that's why the Griz wouldn't want your o-line. What 3 starting o-linemen were out? No, I don't think the Cats will have the best rushing attack. If UNM had cleaned up the middle, MSU wouldn't have had 175 yards rushing. You have so many excuses, most of which are silly. You team led for 10 seconds in the game. You got lucky. As I said, UM, SDSU and NSDU would have crushed the Cats yesterday.” [Cats were lucky to beat UNM. What I said about that game was correct. Cat running game was good this season.]

“Poor doesn't understand football. He proves it almost every time he posts on egriz. The season is young, but I don't see anything for Cat fans to be excited about yet. I assume most other teams are not going to give up 225-250 yards up the middle on essentially the same play.” [This turned out to be true.]

“Cats’ game way below last year’s SDSU game. You show once again you don’t understand football. Too funny. If Mellott is to be passer and not runner this season, Cats are toast.” [True. Mellott has continued to be a runner.]

“Three teams that the Griz played would have beaten the Cats this year. It isn't clear in the least that the Cats are a top 3 team.”


And my personal favorite...

“All my posts are quality.” [They are. All of yours are wrong. Fantasy.]

For as much as you flame away on here saying I don't know anything about football, am wrong all the time, make bad predictions, etc... I promise you there is zero chance you could dig back through my predictions and find this many posts that are 100% wrong. I didn't even do a thorough search but I know I could find a shit ton more posts from you that are wrong. lol [I wouldn't waste my time, but you have 100's of dumb and wrong posts.]
Most of the game comments are not "predictions". You just proved yourself wrong. Yes, you found a "sort of" EWU prediction comment. That was mostly a dig at the Cats, but I can accept that one. You lied about 4 or 5 other predictions. You don't understand that I use questions to trigger posters like you.]

The comment on the size of the Cat o-line was on the predicted starters and their 2023 weights. This is what Money had said in mid-July: "This year the line should be Moore (6’5” 306), Wehr (6’4” 292), Sain (6’4” 292), Perkins (6’ 282), Reed (6’3” 277)," [That's a 290 average, with only 1 over 300.] When the weights were updated on the roster, I said the Cat weights had gone up. See post from August below. I assume Crews still has no tackles in the official stats for the game, nor is he listed in the play by play. I promptly started saying that he wasn't listed in the stats anyway. Yes, I said the Griz would beat the Cats. I have also "predicted' that for 2025 too.

I was right on almost everything I said about Griz and Cats in 2023, and fairly right this season. I was more careful what I said this season. And Cats have turned out to be better than I thought originally. Having a very good season, so far.

See some older posts and my highlighrts:'

July 12: "Where have I said any o-line or any o-lineman is "bad" in this thread? I have said the Cat o-line is small, actually tiny. Show us any top 25 team o-line that is as small as the Cat o-line. Here's the two-deep of SDSU in the game notes against Cats last season. 320, 315, 295, 300, 300. And compare the heights.

LT 74 GARRET GREENFIELD, 6-7, 320, Sr., Rock Valley, Iowa 66 Brady Beck, 6-8, 300, Sr., Sioux Falls, S.D.

LG 60 MASON McCORMICK, 6-5, 315, Sr., Sioux Falls, S.D. 69 Quinten Christensen, 6-4, 290, R-Fr., Wessington Springs, S.D.

C 50 GUS MILLER, 6-3, 295, Jr., Brookings, S.D. 64 Ethan Vibert, 6-4, 305, Sr., Regina, Saskatchewan

RG 61 EVAN BEERNTSEN, 6-4, 300, Sr., De Pere, Wis. 54 Jalen Lee, 6-3, 310, Jr., Robbins, Ill.

RT 78 JOHN O’BRIAN, 6-5, 300, Sr., Eaton Rapids, Mich. 75 Dawson Rudd, 6-5, 285, R-Fr., Claremore, Okla”

"It’s not just lines and running backs. It’s also scheme and Mellott, as well as competition.
Cats have very good running scheme and the speed and elusiveness of Mellott. Chambers was very good runner and nice enough speed. Cats have good run scheme and it is a bit different and hard to defend. Teams are figuring out how to defend it as the years go on. Also see T. Hauck defense.

Cats had good run blocking o-line and TE’s. Probably still do. Cats have good rb and some backups. Griz rb’s are better and deeper, by the way. Cats had better running qb’s and better qb (even though he can’t pass well much of the time).

Cats’ o-line is on small side. That’s a fact, not a comment on anything else. I assume they are mobile but don’t know.

Not having Chambers as co-qb and injury backup is likely going to impact Cats.”

"Not sure where we discussed the “undersized” MSU o-line but they updated weights (bold are starters). Dylan Rollins- 6’6” 300 (fr), Burke Mastel- 6’4” 315 (so), Titan Fleishmann- 6’4” 300 (r-so), Connor Moore- 6’5” 310 (so), Cedrick Johnson- 6’4” 300 (r-fr), Jonathan Luhmann- 6’4” 295 (r-fr), JT Reed- 6’3” 290 (sr), Zac Nyland- 6’4” 290 (r-fr), Dalton Noble- 6’4” 260 (fr), Cole Sain- 6’4” 290 (gr), Everett Carr- 6’4” 290 (r-fr), Samora Ezekiel- 6’2” 285 (so), Tommy Nilsen- 6’3” 285 (so), Aiden Kaplan- 6’3” 277 (fr), Justus Perkins- 6’ 290 (sr), Marcus Wehr- 6’4” 300 (sr)
Freshman Avg: 6’4” 287
Sophomore Avg: 6’4” 299
Junior Avg: none
Senior Avg: 6’3” 292

6 guys over 300 and everyone that will see the field is over 285.
Click to expand...
The starters got bigger, but the line is still on the smaller side, I believe. Average weight of 296. The Griz are smaller this year and don't have the usual several giant guys.

FBS is obviously bigger and expected to be bigger. By conference.

1. SEC — 6’4.9″, 319.4
2. Big 12 — 6’4.7″, 311.8
3. ACC — 6’4.5″, 311.7
4. Big Ten. 6’5″, 310
5. PAC 12 — 6’4.7. 308.8
6. Sun Belt — 6’3.6″, 308.6
7. AAC — 6’4″, 306.4
8. Mountain West — 6’4.3″, 304.5
9. Independent — 6’3.9″, 302.7
10. Mid American. 6’4.4″, 302.4
11. C-USA — 6’3.8″, 302.2"

[I probably have 10,000 or so posts in the last couple years. Should we go through them one by one. Most of them are correct.]
 
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That had to take some time. Wow. I can promise you that he likely has no desire to “dig back through” your predictions in an attempt to prove something on eGriz.com. That said, it’s great that you’ve found this hobby. Seems very healthy.
It's also nice that he essentially proved himself to be a liar on "predictions". He think a (triggering) question is a prediction. Ha.
 
Cool. Just word any predictions as a question, and you have no accountability.

“I wasn’t wrong, I was just teasing.”

Caricature is right.
 
“While I generally don’t make game predictions, even though I always think my team can win, I do pick against the Cats from time to time, like this time. I look forward to watching the game.” UNM

“Tell us about all the great D’s Mellott has played against. The Cats are going down. Cats can’t beat a good team on Mellott’s passing.” EWU

“How Badly will Davis beat the Cats?” Instead of having a Griz hangover, Davis is going to be fired up. UCD

“The Griz will clobber the Cats again this season.”, “Griz o-line will run over the Cats.”, and “Griz are way better than the Cats.” griz

“If Idaho could stay within 10 points of Oregon, by how much do you think Idaho will beat the Cats this time? Idaho has its QB back, right?” Idaho

“It's going to be a nice convincing win by the Cats, and they played well, but they can't beat the Dakota teams.”

“Cats won't win national championship game. Can't beat the Dakota schools.”

“The Dakota teams will run over the Cats.”


And here are some honorable mentions, bonus takes I found as I was searching through your bad takes because you called me a liar.

“Crews had zero tackles on Saturday.”

“Cat O Line is small, tiny actually.”

“Your o-linemen are not good at pass blocking, and that's why the Griz wouldn't want your o-line. What 3 starting o-linemen were out? No, I don't think the Cats will have the best rushing attack. If UNM had cleaned up the middle, MSU wouldn't have had 175 yards rushing. You have so many excuses, most of which are silly. You team led for 10 seconds in the game. You got lucky. As I said, UM, SDSU and NSDU would have crushed the Cats yesterday.”

“Poor doesn't understand football. He proves it almost every time he posts on egriz. The season is young, but I don't see anything for Cat fans to be excited about yet. I assume most other teams are not going to give up 225-250 yards up the middle on essentially the same play.”

“Cats’ game way below last year’s SDSU game. You show once again you don’t understand football. Too funny. If Mellott is to be passer and not runner this season, Cats are toast.”

“Three teams that the Griz played would have beaten the Cats this year. It isn't clear in the least that the Cats are a top 3 team.”


And my personal favorite...

“All my posts are quality.”

For as much as you flame away on here saying I don't know anything about football, am wrong all the time, make bad predictions, etc... I promise you there is zero chance you could dig back through my predictions and find this many posts that are 100% wrong. I didn't even do a thorough search but I know I could find a shit ton more posts from you that are wrong. lol
Owned, big time. What a liar!
 
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