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K. Ah Yat the greatest UM Quarterback

uofmman1122 said:
I'm sorry, but you guys wanted Hauck drawn and quartered because his backup couldn't win games in 2022 against top 10 teams lol.

I'm not going to get into the Stitt argument again, but I always like pointing out that he's the only Griz coach to lose to a bobcat team with a losing record since 1985, and he did it two years in a row, knocking his team out of the playoffs each time.
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Not true. Bobby's had difficulty keeping QB's healthy too, which significantly adversely affected our seasons...

Sneed (literally played on one leg, forced to reenter the game too early against Idaho when Humphrey struggled)
Humphrey (I believe he got injured in the JMU playoff game)
Johnson (multiple injuries, played on one leg half the season)
Ah Yat (3 times?)

The Sneed and Johnson years I think we had teams built to go DEEP into the playoffs, sadly.

The only difference this year was we never knew who was the starter and who was the backup.

And I'm not gonna rehash the Stitt years either, but he DID thrash the 'Scats IN Bozeman, something Bobby 2.0 has failed to do. And Stitt (1-2) and Bobby 2.0 (2-4) have the same % record against the scats.
 
AZGrizFan said:
And I'm not gonna rehash the Stitt years either, but he DID thrash the 'Scats IN Bozeman, something Bobby 2.0 has failed to do. And Stitt (1-2) and Bobby 2.0 (2-4) have the same % record against the scats.
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Well those bub teams that Stitt went up against were 5-6, 4-7, and 5-6. Having a 1-2 record against those bub teams isn't exactly good. Meanwhile, the bubs have been 8-5, 11-4, 12-3, 12-2, 8-4, and currently 14-0 since BH returned.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Well those bub teams that Stitt went up against were 5-6, 4-7, and 5-6. Having a 1-2 record against those bub teams isn't exactly good. Meanwhile, the bubs have been 8-5, 11-4, 12-3, 12-2, 8-4, and currently 14-0 since BH returned.
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Heck, you could probably say the Stitt years were the foundation to the current success of the bubs. Bobby had a late start and hasn't be able to overcome the bub success they have off the field based on the success they found on the field.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Not true. Bobby's had difficulty keeping QB's healthy too, which significantly adversely affected our seasons...

Sneed (literally played on one leg, forced to reenter the game too early against Idaho when Humphrey struggled)
Humphrey (I believe he got injured in the JMU playoff game)
Johnson (multiple injuries, played on one leg half the season)
Ah Yat (3 times?)

The Sneed and Johnson years I think we had teams built to go DEEP into the playoffs, sadly.

The only difference this year was we never knew who was the starter and who was the backup.

And I'm not gonna rehash the Stitt years either, but he DID thrash the 'Scats IN Bozeman, something Bobby 2.0 has failed to do. And Stitt (1-2) and Bobby 2.0 (2-4) have the same % record against the scats.
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You're definitely right, but I distinctly remember arguing extensively with you in that 2023 offseason about how our staff didn't do a good enough job recruiting QBs who could come in and win for us off the bench.

And HHB touched on it, but those cat teams aren't comparable at all. Their team THIS SEASON has the same number of wins the cats managed in ALL 3 seasons Stitt played against them. 2-4 vs. teams that went 55-16 is in a different ballpark from being 1-2 vs. teams that went 14-19. Had Bobby come back in 2015, I'd bet a lot that he'd have gone 3-0 against those cat teams.
 
uofmman1122 said:
You're definitely right, but I distinctly remember arguing extensively with you in that 2023 offseason about how our staff didn't do a good enough job recruiting QBs who could come in and win for us off the bench.

And HHB touched on it, but those cat teams aren't comparable at all. Their team THIS SEASON has the same number of wins the cats managed in ALL 3 seasons Stitt played against them. 2-4 vs. teams that went 55-16 is in a different ballpark from being 1-2 vs. teams that went 14-19. Had Bobby come back in 2015, I'd bet a lot that he'd have gone 3-0 against those cat teams.
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And that's still an issue.

And we'll never know, will we.
 
AZGrizFan said:
And that's still an issue.

And we'll never know, will we.
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It's an issue on literally every team, 97% of college football teams outside the very best in FBS have a huge dropoff going from QB1 to QB2. Stitt wasn't held to a different standard than Bobby has been, and it's not the reason he was fired, so not sure what was facts about that in argh's post.

And yeah, you don't need to address the difference in cat records, I think it's pretty clear lol.
 
AZGrizFan said:
You want to extrapolate, and adjust for types of offenses, etc., etc to make a point he's "arguably" the best freshman QB we've ever had.
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So? What are you, the thought police?
I think KAY is the best freshman QB The Griz have ever had. No extrapolation needed. I stated my opinion, cited his stat line and compared him to other freshmen but naturally forgot about GJ which 1122 so rightly pointed out and then I added the “arguably” bit. That wasn’t an accident, GJ was in fact forgettable.

The takeaway should be that KAY had a pretty damn good year for a freshman, one of the best in 40 years, and way better than most on here give him credit for, apparently including you.

To me, he is the best freshman ever and I would take him over GJ everyday and twice on Saturdays. Would you? Would you seriously take GJ as a freshman over KAY? Even knowing what we now know about both?

If KAY keeps it up and we can make a similar thread next year—that KAY had one of the best years ever as a sophomore—holy fucking shit! There have been some amazing soph years. If so, some of you will look quite silly.
 
garizzalies said:
So? What are you, the thought police?
I think KAY is the best freshman QB The Griz have ever had. No extrapolation needed. I stated my opinion, cited his stat line and compared him to other freshmen but naturally forgot about GJ which 1122 so rightly pointed out and then I added the “arguably” bit. That wasn’t an accident, GJ was in fact forgettable.

The takeaway should be that KAY had a pretty damn good year for a freshman, one of the best in 40 years, and way better than most on here give him credit for, apparently including you.

To me, he is the best freshman ever and I would take him over GJ everyday and twice on Saturdays. Would you? Would you seriously take GJ as a freshman over KAY? Even knowing what we now know about both?

If KAY keeps it up and we can make a similar thread next year—that KAY had one of the best years ever as a sophomore—holy fucking shit! There have been some amazing soph years. If so, some of you will look quite silly.
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AY wouldn't start at most frontier schools.
 
garizzalies said:
So? What are you, the thought police?
I think KAY is the best freshman QB The Griz have ever had. No extrapolation needed. I stated my opinion, cited his stat line and compared him to other freshmen but naturally forgot about GJ which 1122 so rightly pointed out and then I added the “arguably” bit. That wasn’t an accident, GJ was in fact forgettable.

The takeaway should be that KAY had a pretty damn good year for a freshman, one of the best in 40 years, and way better than most on here give him credit for, apparently including you.

To me, he is the best freshman ever and I would take him over GJ everyday and twice on Saturdays. Would you? Would you seriously take GJ as a freshman over KAY? Even knowing what we now know about both?

If KAY keeps it up and we can make a similar thread next year—that KAY had one of the best years ever as a sophomore—holy fucking shit! There have been some amazing soph years. If so, some of you will look quite silly.
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If no extrapolation was needed, why do it then? I mean, if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle, but it doesn’t make it so.

No one can objectively look at those two stat lines and simultaneously say AY is “arguably one of the best in 40 years” while the other is “forgettable.” That’s a comically bad take.

And yes. GJ was miles ahead of AY as a RS Frosh. Miles. Hence why he was a Freshman AA and Ah Yat showed flashes of brilliance followed by long stints of struggle, plus he struggled to stay on the field.

Ah Yat may TURN OUT to be one of the best we’ve ever had, but that jury is way, way out still.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's an issue on literally every team, 97% of college football teams outside the very best in FBS have a huge dropoff going from QB1 to QB2. Stitt wasn't held to a different standard than Bobby has been, and it's not the reason he was fired, so not sure what was facts about that in argh's post.

And yeah, you don't need to address the difference in cat records, I think it's pretty clear lol.
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I think the “difference in ‘Scat records” is a DIFFERENT issue altogether….namely that in year SEVEN Bobby has put together a team that has outperformed the ‘Scats exactly ONCE.

#RTD my ass.
 
AZGrizFan said:
I think the “difference in ‘Scat records” is a DIFFERENT issue altogether….namely that in year SEVEN Bobby has put together a team that has outperformed the ‘Scats exactly ONCE.

#RTD my ass.
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Yeah, they've been really good, but I don't think that's somehow Bobby's fault.

This is what I mean when I always say that perceptions of him and his teams are severely skewed because of the cats' success. No one is happy that we haven't been as successful we all want, but it's being so much worse than the cats, specifically, that people are mad about. This is how you get people saying that his record against them is equally as horrible as the previous coach's was.

I get it, though, it's been rough for all of us.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Yeah, they've been really good, but I don't think that's somehow Bobby's fault.

This is what I mean when I always say that perceptions of him and his teams are severely skewed because of the cats' success. No one is happy that we haven't been as successful we all want, but it's being so much worse than the cats, specifically, that people are mad about. This is how you get people saying that his record against them is equally as horrible as the previous coach's was.

I get it, though, it's been rough for all of us.
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It’s not Bobby’s fault they’ve been good.
It IS Bobby’s fault we haven’t been as good as them. Or 4-6 OTHER teams every year (except 2023).
 
AZGrizFan said:
No one can objectively look at those two stat lines and simultaneously say AY is “arguably one of the best in 40 years” while the other is “forgettable.”
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Huh? KAY is literally one of only two freshman in the discussion over the past 40 years. And I will argue ‘til the cows come home that he is better. So yeah, it is very arguable.
And I literally forgot about GJ as did pretty much everyone else, so he is obviously forgettable.

If anyone has a “narrative” or is not being “objective” here, it’s you. Not sure why you soured on BH recently, but it’s clear you have a growing bias.

Also, for the sake of discussion, Fife is like the reincarnation of GJ. Seems like they are great on the surface but something is amiss (pun intended). Like what are we not getting? Well, turns out, a lot, particularly in the locker room which we never see but the coaches and team know all too well.

GJ was probably a better passer than Fife and had better timing and anticipation but Fife might have been a better game manager although most times when Fife dropped back, I was holding my breath. Bad timing beyond WR#1 and horrible pocket awareness. Neither had the potential of KAY nor the complete QB attributes including the attitude and athleticism. KAY did something no QB has been able to do in 100 years of Griz FB. The way he sells out for the goal line cannot be coached and something GJ and Fife would never even consider.
It’s not even close in my book and I believe the coaches and players thought that too.
 
AZGrizFan said:
It’s not Bobby’s fault they’ve been good.
It IS Bobby’s fault we haven’t been as good as them. Or 4-6 OTHER teams every year (except 2023).
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Well, the interesting (and frustrating) part of that is that apart from 3 teams (MSU, NDSU, and SDSU), we've outperformed every other FCS team over the whole time that Bobby has been here, even if they've been better than us for one or two of those years. We're objectively the 4th best performing FCS team from 2018-2024. The only 4 teams to make the playoffs every year since 2019 are UM, MSU, NDSU, and SDSU.

Would it make you feel better if we were still the 4th best team, but there wasn't a chasm between us and MSU, the 3rd best? I'd say probably, but we'd be in the same spot, still behind those other teams.

Again, I know we want to be up there ahead of 4th place, but people keep acting like we're the 15th best team over that span.
 
uofmman1122 said:
Well, the interesting (and frustrating) part of that is that apart from 3 teams (MSU, NDSU, and SDSU), we've outperformed every other FCS team over the whole time that Bobby has been here, even if they've been better than us for one or two of those years. We're objectively the 4th best performing FCS team from 2018-2024. The only 4 teams to make the playoffs every year since 2019 are UM, MSU, NDSU, and SDSU.

Would it make you feel better if we were still the 4th best team, but there wasn't a chasm between us and MSU, the 3rd best? I'd say probably, but we'd be in the same spot, still behind those other teams.

Again, I know we want to be up there ahead of 4th place, but people keep acting like we're the 15th best team over that span.
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Here's what would make me happy:

No more 4th, 5th, 6th place finishes in the Big Sky (especially in year 7) - really just no freaking excuse for this
Outperform the 'Scats regularly and finish higher than them in the standings (Bobby's 1 for 7)
BEAT the 'Scats regularly (2 for 6)
No more home losses to 4-8 teams - damned near had TWO of them this year
Consistent deep playoff runs (quarterfinals at a minimum--1st round patsy victories only count in PR's world) - Bobby's 3-7 (2 of those quarterfinal appearances ended in losses)

We've seen the blueprint. It's been right in front of us since 2011 with the XDSU's. The 'Scats have figured it out (it appears). Why can't Bobby? He keeps insisting those players "don't exist" or are difficult to recruit, yet the 2-3 REALLY consistently successful teams seem to be able to do it.

HHB insists those days are long gone and they aren't coming back. As my boss would say, "well, not with THAT attitude." Should we just accept our fate and be happy with being above average? I hope that's not what we've sunk to.
 
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