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Frank Gogola Article

mthoopsfan said:
The Griz have the 4th highest average finish in the post-season polos over last 5 years. This includes this season. Don’t think anyone else is close.
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This is the football board not the polo board. I don't even know that the Cats or griz even have polo teams. Water polo or regular polo?
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MontanaBornFan said:
This is so weird to just choose the past 2 seasons, one of which is ongoing (well, for one team anyway). Im not sure how the postseason record for this year and last is a flex when the Griz players are reading Frank's article and checking portal status while the players in Bozeman are prepping for a game on Saturday.

You could also ask about the record over the last 5 postseasons, where the neighbors are 9-4 compared to the Griz at 7-5. Oh and they were in the semifinals every year but one, while the Griz were in just one semifinal.

Weird.
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It’s weird that you don’t know that I understand football and you don’t. 5 years is too long to look back because it took Hauck some time to get going after taking over a weak team that had been ranked 33d in the final polo the year before. Yes, Cats have done well. But now Hauck has time to get things going and Griz have moved more towards the top. How many championship games have the 2 teams been to in recent years? Please don’t use old news, or else I will use old Griz news.
 
mthoopsfan said:
5 years is too long to look back because it took Hauck some time to get going after taking over a weak team that had been ranked 33d in the final polo the year before.
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mthoopsfan said:
I like to use average of post season ranking over past X years, saying 4 going to 5 this season. Griz have 4th best average.
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So post season record isn't a valid comparison tool over the past five seasons, but the post season ranking over the last 5 seasons is valid.

Got it.
 
MontanaBornFan said:
So post season record isn't a valid comparison tool over the past five seasons, but the post season ranking over the last 5 seasons is valid.

Got it.
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Correct. Poll ranking shows where you ended up. And how you compare to other teams. Playoff wins go to the top teams advance far in the playoffs. A no 9 ranked isn’t going to win lots of playoff games. I know the Cats have done better in the last 5 years. That’s not been the topic of any discussion I was participating in. Please don’t bring irrelevant stuff to the discussion I’m addressing. Feel free to have your own discussion, but leave me out.
 
Copper Griz said:
Unless certain big name boosters have had enough of Hauck’s complacency, nothing will change. Nothing. This season was an epic failure. Downright embarrassing. I don’t blame the players. They gave it their all. Something is rotten in Griz land. Appears to be the guy on the sidelines screaming FU at one of his QB’s. A head coach that is leading and motivating young men does not appear to be present. Some of his assistants do have those qualiti
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Copper Griz said:
Balogna. The FCS is watered down. The Griz have a giant Chinese weather balloon showing up on the radar. They are losing the battle to MSU and the Dakota schools. Hell, they lost to Weber. Yep. Weber! QB by committee for multiple years and a defense that isn’t getting it done. The formula for a natty isn’t the 3-3-5. Both lines are losing the battle in key games. More than anything, last year was an anomaly for a program that has exceptional history, facilities and support. Probably the best facilities in FCS.

The lines might not be the issue after this year. MSU is about to lose several o linemen to NIL money. Big dollars are going to be tough for a kid to walk away from.
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They lost most of their line last year. They reloaded
 
mthoopsfan said:
Oh BS. No kid or parent or coach cares if some fans would like their program more like another program. You have 7-7 camps. Great. I have kids, nephews and cousins who played football and have been been recruited. Do you play video games too?
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Not trying to get in a pissing match with you dude, but I'm pretty sure your kids are a rung down from the kids at the camps I'm affiliated with, unless of course they are or did get power 5 offers. Most these kids are G5 or higher. Had a few all-Americans come through too. Not trying to big time you, but I'm very aware how all this works on a big-time college football level. I don't need you pandering to me about how your family got recruited to play a sport and therefore you are an expert and no one else knows the things that you do.
 
Allezchat said:
This is the football board not the polo board. I don't even know that the Cats or griz even have polo teams. Water polo or regular polo?
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mthoopsfan said:
Correct. Poll ranking shows where you ended up. And how you compare to other teams. Playoff wins go to the top teams advance far in the playoffs. A no 9 ranked isn’t going to win lots of playoff games. I know the Cats have done better in the last 5 years. That’s not been the topic of any discussion I was participating in. Please don’t bring irrelevant stuff to the discussion I’m addressing. Feel free to have your own discussion, but leave me out.
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GrizRealist said:
Not trying to get in a pissing match with you dude, but I'm pretty sure your kids are a rung down from the kids at the camps I'm affiliated with, unless of course they are or did get power 5 offers. Most these kids are G5 or higher. Had a few all-Americans come through too. Not trying to big time you, but I'm very aware how all this works on a big-time college football level. I don't need you pandering to me about how your family got recruited to play a sport and therefore you are an expert and no one else knows the things that you do.
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Dude, and I don't need your BS talking about your great expertise in recruiting from 7 on 7 camps. I can see what you post, and often see that you don't know what you are talking about. 7 on 7 camps to get your vast football expertise. Now that's pretty funny. I know lots of people know a lot, but I can also see that you aren't one of them.
 
HikeGlacier said:
They lost most of their line last year. They reloaded
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Not arguing that they reloaded. Arguing that it might be tough to do in the current environment. Kudos to Vegan for knowing what to takes to compete. I don’t think he is a phenomenal coach and I don’t think the Cats can win against SDSU or NDSU. I do know that Vegan is trying to build a lineup that has a chance to win it all. He sure isn’t using a 3-3-5 defensive scheme. Now that I think about it, in the past ten years of FCS who has won championships? What kind of football do they play? You would think a coach would try and replicate that or at least build something to compete against it.
 
Copper Griz said:
4th highest and there are really only 4-6 teams who can win it every year. Think about it. 4th isn’t something to brag about!!
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I'm not bragging, but being 4th, by some decent or good measurement, is a good indication that a team is up near the top. A team doesn't have to win the championship to be near the top.

And, it isn't the same 4-6 teams every year that could win it. NDSU and now SDSU. The other teams in that grouping change from year to year and over time. The Cats sure weren't in that grouping last season, and the Griz weren't this season. 3 of the 5 Griz loses this year we are to teams in that top 6, or damn close. The other losses were to what turned out to are a not-so-good Weber team and a decent but not great MV team. Yes, the Griz still lost 5 games, but they weren't a bunch of losses to weak teams.
 
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