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QB who?

uofmman1122 said:
I think people keep forgetting that Huot diced up the #3 defense and walkons playing with the 1's in the spring game. He may be "keeping up" with Fife and Ah Yat as a passer in practice, but if he's not clearly better than them as a passer, he's not going to get a shot, and I'll explain by way of Tommy Mellot.

A bunch of people want us to just put a guy out like the cats did and see what he can do, but people seemingly blank out that until this season, Tommy was just flat out bad as a passer. It took him 4 seasons of reps and game experience to become a proficient passing QB, and he still benefits greatly from the run scheme opening up the pass for him. He was able to make it work because he's a generational talent running the football. He didn't need to be Dave Dickenson, his legs could carry the offense (and they did).

Huot is not that. At the moment, he's at best the 3rd best rushing QB in the offense, and probably the 3rd best passing QB, as well (maybe it's close, but I don't think it is). So we'd roll out a guy who's not any better of a passer, but who's a statue that can't move like the other 2 behind an OL that has proven it can't effectively pass block. I think that's the reason we aren't going to and haven't yet seen him in a meaningful game time situation this season.

Tommy's also a lesson on Ah Yat. Keali'i is a much better passer right now than Tommy was to start his career, but clearly needs a long way to go. He might need a ton of game experience like Tommy did to really break out, and if it were up to me, I would start #8 this weekend and run an offense centered on his running ability. What do we have to lose? I do not think any QB on our team can beat SDSU passing the ball.
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What do we have to lose? The game.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I think people keep forgetting that Huot diced up the #3 defense and walkons playing with the 1's in the spring game. He may be "keeping up" with Fife and Ah Yat as a passer in practice, but if he's not clearly better than them as a passer, he's not going to get a shot, and I'll explain by way of Tommy Mellot.

A bunch of people want us to just put a guy out like the cats did and see what he can do, but people seemingly blank out that until this season, Tommy was just flat out bad as a passer. It took him 4 seasons of reps and game experience to become a proficient passing QB, and he still benefits greatly from the run scheme opening up the pass for him. He was able to make it work because he's a generational talent running the football. He didn't need to be Dave Dickenson, his legs could carry the offense (and they did).

Huot is not that. At the moment, he's at best the 3rd best rushing QB in the offense, and probably the 3rd best passing QB, as well (maybe it's close, but I don't think it is). So we'd roll out a guy who's not any better of a passer, but who's a statue that can't move like the other 2 behind an OL that has proven it can't effectively pass block. I think that's the reason we aren't going to and haven't yet seen him in a meaningful game time situation this season.

Tommy's also a lesson on Ah Yat. Keali'i is a much better passer right now than Tommy was to start his career, but clearly needs a long way to go. He might need a ton of game experience like Tommy did to really break out, and if it were up to me, I would start #8 this weekend and run an offense centered on his running ability. What do we have to lose? I do not think any QB on our team can beat SDSU passing the ball.
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An excellent post and I respect your opinion.
 
billingsgriz said:
Don't agree with some-some-of what you said, Copper. Fife was impressive against EWU or he wouldn't have won Big Sky POW and FCS National POW, and he also threw for over 300 yards against Weber and led us to victory over NAU and PSU. Logan's throwing the ball into the back of GRIZ during The Brawl probably was part Logan's fault and also partly due to our O line losing the line of scrimmage and getting involuntarily pushed back into Logan's face. And Logan @6-0 or 5-11 is about the same size as Dave Dickensen @ 5-10--Dave seemed to do more than okay for us and in pro ball.--and today's Pittsburgh Steeler QB and former.Seahawk Russell Wilson is also 5-10, 5-11 not to mention now retired Saints QB and future NFL Hall of Famer Drew Brees, supposedly 6-0.

And Uof mmann, we can't be one dimensional on Saturday in Brookings or we have no chance. If we put Keali'i in the game and he did what he did on Saturday, the Jack Rabbits will just load the box and what happens when Keali'i gets knocked out of the game ?

Both Logan and Keali'i stand about 6 feet tall and like Dave, Russell and Drew, they will have passes blocked or deflected. But I also think like Dave, Russell, and Drew, our two can win a lot of games for us, Logan now and Keali'i in the future.

I do think with Coach Hauck and Pease's affinity for RPO, the days of a pocket QB like Drew Miller, who had a great arm, but had the foot speed of pond water and couldn't break 5 seconds in the 40 unless he was running straight down Lone Peak in Big Sky. are over. When Drew got hurt in the 2000 FCS NC game in Chatanooga and the Georgia Southern fans were chanting " Big, White and Slow, Go Back to The Snow," Johnny Montana , who ran a 40 probably somewhere around 4.5 to 4.6, came into the game and they almost swallowed their Copenhagen, hot dogs and dentures, when John Edwards immediately ripped off a 30-40 yard run against GSU's stunned defense !!! John almost led us from a come-from-behind victory in that game and succeeded the following year when we defeated Wofford and won our 2nd NC in Chatanooga. But Johnny Montana also threw a pretty nice pass and if my memory hasn't totally failed, John, who is a UM law grad and practices with his dad and brother, also both UM Law, here in Billings, stands about 6-1.

I think the days of the immobile pocket passer are largely over and to be fair to Kaden Huot, he must have be able to move a little, or we wouldn't have recruited him.

If we want to have a shot at the upset on Saturday in Brookings, we need to start Logan Fife @ QB !!!
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I also think Hauck would be very foolish if he didn’t start Fife. He had a bad game last Saturday. It happens. Let the kid get back on the horse. I truly cannot tell how good Fife is. The QB carousel has been maddening this year. Tough to find your groove when you are in for a series or two and then on the pine. You are correct that Fife had some good games. I would like to see him move up in the pocket and run a little more. He is more mobile than given credit for. Not a speedster, but he can find the sticks. Probably not what the coaches want him to do though. You said it! One dimensional won’t get it done on Saturday.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
The Michigan-OSU outcome means nothing when it comes to comparison to the Griz-SDSU game. Zero.
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It means upsets happen. 3 FBS playoff teams upset last weekend.

“Ohio State's 13-10 loss to Michigan marked the fifth time this season a top-five team lost to an unranked opponent, the most since it happened five times in 2017.”
 
mthoopsfan said:
If we win, it will likely be from passing, defense, and ST.
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We are not going to beat them if we can’t run the ball. That’s just the reality. Our offense is not built to throw 50+ times and win, and neither QB is good enough to do that against that defense. We’re 1-4 this year when we pass more than we run, and the one win was against Eastern where we ran for almost 350 yards.

The only way we win this game is by forcing turnovers and somehow rushing for at least 150 yards. If we can’t do that, then I unfortunately don’t think we have any shot (unless Bergen runs 3 returns back lol).
 
SDSU will score as much as they want to and there is nothing we can do to stop it. The only way we don't lose by 50+ is if their HC calls off the dogs
 
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